Power window issues

[SUX2BU99]

^ I didn't see your reply Rich before I went to the garage tonight and attempted again to get the glass out. I did succeed in getting the glass out! Once I got the regulator to door bolts off, i wiggled the glass around and eventually got enought movement to where the window could be rotated and lifted out.

Now my problem is getting the regulator assembly out. How the heck is this done??? I've tried all kinds of rotations and angles and it only seems to scratch the crap out of the inside of my door skin. Can the motor and regulator all be removed as one assembly?? Or do I have to take the motor off inside the door?

I'm sure that large opening in the door is JUST big enough to squeeze the regulator assembly out only when tilted just one perfect way. It's almost genius how GM figured that out, but ridiculously frustrating to us having to deal with it later on!

[bd]

...Now my problem is getting the regulator assembly out.  How the heck is this done???  I've tried all kinds of rotations and angles and it only seems to scratch the crap out of the inside of my door skin.  Can the motor and regulator all be removed as one assembly??  Or do I have to take the motor off inside the door?

I'm sure that large opening in the door is JUST big enough to squeeze the regulator assembly out only when tilted just one perfect way....

Leave the motor bolted to the regulator!  You're right - the large opening is JUST big enough....  If you can momentarily reattach the wires to the motor and "collapse" the regulator a little, it will be easier, but the idea is to bring the assembly through the opening by stepping it through as you rotate it.  It's definitely a puzzle.  The more times you do it, the easier it becomes.  It's kind of like stepping through the opening one leg at a time if you were inside the door trying to get out - you have to duck, twist, and step through at the same time!   

[DnStClr]

Once you get the motor/regulator out, you can actually check it while laying it on cardboard or another smooth surface right there at the truck. Reattach the wiring plug, lay it on the ground, and operate the switch. 

[SUX2BU99]

I did finally get the assembly out after jiggling it around a bit. Just have to track down another motor. I was surprised that Ebay had none. Anyway, now I have to put a bolt through the quadrant into the regulator frame to lock it in place for when I take the motor out, right? There is a hole in the quadrant that is right over top of the frame which is convenient so I'll get on that soon.

[Captkaos]

Check this page for removing the power windows:
http://73-87.com/7387garage/interior/winmotor.htm

[SUX2BU99]

I don't have a vice so I'll use the bolt method.

My motor doesn't look like that. It's a rectangular box that looks larger than that and has a round plug. I found motors and regulators on Ebay and they sure aren't expensive. Cheap as $15 for a motor and about $50 for a regulator and motor. I've seen listings for 82-87 motors and regulators. Is there a year difference I have to be aware of. My regulator looks the same as in the link above, but motor is different. It does have a Delco stamp on it though so maybe it's an older motor?

It also seems that GM used the same motor in other vehicles. Anybody know which ones? It helps in the search at the boneyards.

Found a pic. Looks like this. Listing says it's for 77-80 GM.

[Captkaos]

That is the early motor, they are generally stronger.  I am pretty sure that fullsize cars used these same motors.

[SUX2BU99]

Thanks Chris. Any other year motor and regulator from a truck or Sub/Blazer bolts right up, right? I found a 90 Sub in a local boneyard. Still has the driver side window motor in it but they wouldn't sell me it because the rest of the door was in good shape.   Passenger side door was crunched but the window motor was gone. Would the rear window, including the tailgate, motors work?

[Captkaos]

Tailgate motor is different.  The rest are the same.

[DnStClr]

You could try Rock Auto.
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php

[SUX2BU99]

Getting back to this (I know, it's been quite a while; I have zero free time lol) I bought an AC Delco 11M23 power window motor as a replacement.

http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-11M23-Professional-Window-Regulator/dp/B0048J2OFS/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Make=Chevrolet%7C47&Model=C10%7C422&Year=1984%7C1984&carId=001&n=15684181&newCar=1&s=automotive&vehicleType=automotive

Said it replaces 82-up C/K truck power windows. I know my window motor is the older style but figured the regulators are the same. I get a chance to put it in today, take off the old motor and find that this motor does not fit the regulator very well at all! Were there regulator changes too after 1982?  It's the flange around the new motor that is too big. The old motor gear head seems to be stood off of the regulator by about 1/2" at each of the 3 bolt holes in order to clear the quadrant. The new motor does not have this. Ideas? Am I reduced to looking for an old style motor?

I tried loading the link to www.73-87.com for a reference but his site seems to be down. He has the same reguator but the smaller, newer style motor. I'm curious how it fits on.

This motor here is also listed as fitting 82-up and it does not have the wide flange around the motor head. Is this the actual one that I need?
http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-12497971-Chevrolet-Oldsmobile-Regulator/dp/B000C9F4VY/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Make=Chevrolet%7C47&Model=C10%7C422&Year=1982%7C1982&carId=007&n=15684181&newCar=1&s=automotive&vehicleType=automotive

[Captkaos]

Can you show a picture of you current setup?  Generally speaking the motors are NOT interchangeable..

[SUX2BU99]

Say what? Not once anywhere in any of the power window threads have I ever seen mentioned anything about non-compatible power windows or old vs. new. The regulator looks very much the same as in the thread on 73-87.com (link works now) and the motor looks very much like the 'small' head one I linked to on Amazon. I guess what I need to know is if the new style motor has the same 1/2" or so stand-offs where the bolts thread through that the old motor has.

I took some pics with my phone and will upload tomorrow.

[84burb]

77-81 and 82-91 regulators are different part numbers. The motors also have different part numbers.
I don't know what the physical differences are or if the entire assembly might interchange.

[Captkaos]

Most aftermarket places ONLY sell the 82-91 style regulators and motors as a set.  If yours is a 77-81 regulator and your trying to put a 82-91 on it, they won't work, and vice versa...

That is why I asked if you could post a picture of what you had.  You need the same style motor that came off your regulator...