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Title: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 01, 2009, 06:40:07 PM
Put a replacement305 in my 87 silverado. Used heads, intake, and water pump from bad motor. All hoses get hot except upper radiator hose. I changed the thermostat with a new stock replacement. The bad engine didnt have overheating issues. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Lt.Del on July 01, 2009, 07:51:43 PM
did you check the head gaskets to ensure they are the right ones, meaning they didnt cover up any antifreeze holes on the block or heads? Same with intake gasket? 

t-stadt going in the right way...spring side down into the intake?

Whenever I'm putting a new engine in, i ensure the water pump is new....nice insurance for a new motor, while you have everythng off.

what kind of fan do you have? 
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: gold84gmc on July 01, 2009, 08:46:18 PM
the radiator isnt clogged is it?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: gold84gmc on July 01, 2009, 08:47:40 PM
wait nevermind about the radiator being clogged because the coolant goes into the radiator through the upper hose....like SgtDel said make sure your head gaskets are the right ones
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 01, 2009, 08:57:59 PM
Hmm block is a 79 model year but used heads, intake, etc from 87 motor bought head gasket kit for 87 model year motor. Put gaskets on same way they came off. Fan is stock clutch fan. Im suspecting bad thermostat out of the box since upper radiator hose stays cool. Will do the boil test tomorrow.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 01, 2009, 09:04:15 PM
Wait just realized put straight water in just in case there was leaks. This be the culprit?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Lt.Del on July 01, 2009, 09:09:56 PM
straight water will not be the culprit....water transfers heat better than antifreeze.  Antifreeze is mixed so it wont, well, freeze....and its anticorrosive qualities.    straight water should be fine short term.   

Take the t-stadt completely out of its housing.  Put the hose and housing back on withou t-stadt.  See if it then overheats.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 01, 2009, 10:48:39 PM
Ok it does not overheat with the thermostat removed and I put the thermostat into a pan of boiling water and it opened up so im not sure whats going on
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: gold84gmc on July 02, 2009, 07:51:27 AM
did the upper hose get hot/warm?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Lt.Del on July 02, 2009, 08:32:47 AM
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Ok it does not overheat with the thermostat removed and I put the thermostat into a pan of boiling water and it opened up so im not sure whats going on

run if for a few days without a thermostadt and watch the needle.   Ensure the water pump is pumping the coolant around.  If it runs fine, just get a new t-stadt next week.  At least you have narrowed down the problem.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: gold84gmc on July 02, 2009, 09:01:43 AM
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Ok it does not overheat with the thermostat removed and I put the thermostat into a pan of boiling water and it opened up so im not sure whats going on

run if for a few days without a thermostadt and watch the needle.   Ensure the water pump is pumping the coolant around.  If it runs fine, just get a new t-stadt next week.  At least you have narrowed down the problem.

he tested the thermostat and its good so he doesnt need to get a new one
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Lt.Del on July 02, 2009, 01:46:32 PM
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he tested the thermostat and its good so he doesnt need to get a new one

Really?  Oh, I read the post.  How about the part where he said when it was in, it overheated?  When he removed it, it didn't? 

my diagnosis?  Thermostadt.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 02, 2009, 02:02:29 PM
Im just going to exchange the thermostat for a new one. For some reason or other this one was not opening in the engine.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Lt.Del on July 02, 2009, 02:20:28 PM
make sure it is for the correct 'intake' since you have half '87 and half '79.  It might be that it cannot open because it may be binding or something--even though only a small part of it actually moves open.   Just an idea.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: ccz145a on July 02, 2009, 03:10:53 PM
upside down?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 02, 2009, 03:18:08 PM
It was installed correctly
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: gold84gmc on July 02, 2009, 03:38:46 PM
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he tested the thermostat and its good so he doesnt need to get a new one

Really?  Oh, I read the post.  How about the part where he said when it was in, it overheated?  When he removed it, it didn't? 

my diagnosis?  Thermostadt.


just so you know he didnt say it overheated with the thermostat in...he said the hoses got hot except the upper hose...
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Lt.Del on July 02, 2009, 03:55:26 PM
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just so you know he didnt say it overheated with the thermostat in...he said the hoses got hot except the upper hose...

i read the Title of the Thread...."Overheating Issue"
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: gold84gmc on July 02, 2009, 09:56:24 PM
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just so you know he didnt say it overheated with the thermostat in...he said the hoses got hot except the upper hose...

i read the Title of the Thread...."Overheating Issue"


oo ya forgot about that...my bad
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Irish_Alley on July 03, 2009, 12:00:22 PM
what about an air bubble?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: MITOYZ on July 03, 2009, 01:32:46 PM
You sure it isnt a bad radiator cap not letting pressure build up in the radiator, with the thermostat out their isnt any restriction to push past.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: VileZambonie on July 03, 2009, 01:47:01 PM
Sounds like you didn't bleed the system. DO not run straight water either.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: DnStClr on July 03, 2009, 05:18:57 PM
An engine will overheat if the thermostat is stuck closed. An air bubble or a hose being sucked in is my guess, unless it's the wrong temp thermostat?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 03, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
It was a stock replacement 195 thermostat  I havent had a chance to exchange it yet. Been too busy truckin. Will update when i get it exchanged
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Irish_Alley on July 04, 2009, 12:16:17 AM
You sure it isnt a bad radiator cap not letting pressure build up in the radiator, with the thermostat out their isnt any restriction to push past.
a bad cap would allow the water to boil out not just over heat
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 05, 2009, 10:46:49 AM
New thermostat exchanged with yet another new one and installed. That fixed it.
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Lt.Del on July 05, 2009, 11:36:10 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: Stewart G Griffin on July 05, 2009, 12:01:08 PM
Also, i'm amazed that you got the "new" engine in that fast;  So congratulations on that as well.


P.S.,  How did you address the dipstick problem?
Title: Re: Overheating issue
Post by: dumbucket1 on July 05, 2009, 03:30:28 PM
I havent addressed the dipstick issue yet. As of right now its not a dd and can wait. Also I have done many engine swaps so I can do those within a few hours.