Post by: VileZambonie on July 31, 2021, 07:27:17 PM
Post by: philo_beddoe on July 31, 2021, 10:16:07 PM
I'm ready to move. I hate this state more and more every day. You'll never see an event like this around here. Too many DB's
, I’m right behind ya man! I might even tough out the heat in Florida, what a free state. Dan Bongino is always bragging about it. South Dakota is on the list too, both have awesome smart freedom-loving patriotic governors. West Virginia is up there too, every county is red. Yeah, CT is getting real bad, I should talk, I live in MA, the only reason we don’t have another mask mandate is, our governor knows he’s toast if he issues it.
2022 could be a red tsunami.
Post by: VileZambonie on August 01, 2021, 07:00:06 AM
Post by: JohnnyPopper on August 01, 2021, 01:12:32 PM
Per CDC
161m Vaccinated, of which
-6K Infected or 0.0037%
1200 deaths or 0.00074%
Head fake anyone?
Post by: VileZambonie on August 01, 2021, 05:48:56 PM
Post by: ehjorten on August 02, 2021, 12:29:03 PM
About 630,000 people have died from Covid in the USA
There are about 332,915,000 people in the USA
Mortality Rate ~ 0.189%
Seasonal Flu Mortality Rate ~ 0.01%
Over 18 times more deadly.
Now you can argue about Covid death certificates, but even if HALF of all Covid deaths were lies, you still have a mortality rate that is nearly 10 times that of seasonal flu. Also...Covid cases are on the rise and nearly all of them are unvaccinated and hospitals are getting filled-up again. This makes the vaccinated now the silent killers, because they can still get Covid and pass it on to the unvaccinated while not feeling much of anything themselves. Yes, there will always be some break-through cases, but by-and-large it is the unvaccinated that are getting sick. This is the reason for some of the talks and implementations about new mask mandates. Especially in schools, they have to set policy early and with the data right now, they are making decisions. The 1918 Spanish Influenza saw three waves before it was ever really over. We are in the start of our third wave now. It sucks, but we have done all of this before over 100 years ago, and we are still "free". This too shall pass. Myself personally, I would feel horrible if I gave Covid to a young child or an elderly person and they died from it. I'll do my part to help get us out of this pandemic.
Post by: JohnnyPopper on August 02, 2021, 05:56:21 PM
78% were overweight or obese. (See Mr. Wonderful himself "Bill Mahr" for the stat.)
Post by: VileZambonie on August 02, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Post by: Mr Diesel on August 02, 2021, 08:38:02 PM
How about this...
About 630,000 people have died from Covid in the USA
Yeah, those numbers are completely bogus. The CDC tracks total U.S. deaths, and 2020 was a completely average year. Here is a link comparing 2020 to past years, with CDC references.
https://www.myessentialnews.com/post/usdeaths
Wake up people, you have been had by the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. Covid is a real thing and potentially deadly to some people, but it is no more dangerous than the yearly flu. I defy anyone to look at the death numbers in the above link and provide any rational explanation where all those claimed 300k+ deaths went in 2020
A statistical average number of people died, but they continued to die of the usual causes with a slight overall increase, probably due to Covid. But apparently we have cured cancer, heart disease, and every other common cause of death because now the only thing anyone dies of is Covid.
Post by: VileZambonie on August 03, 2021, 06:26:07 AM
Also, let's just say the stat's provided are bullseye, that means 99.81% of the country did not die from Covid. I've lost two family members as a result of COVID-19 so I am not saying it does not exist or that it is not deadly, but using it to control people through fear is unacceptable. Clearly we have a country filled with people that believe anything that the media puts out there. Change the channel and get a different story, different stats, unconfirmed sources with bad data and no one questions it. Be ready for the next variant to destroy your other favorite local small business in town while you are made to wear a face diaper in public.
Post by: ehjorten on August 03, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
I think your math is off, not to mention the statistical data is based on what, from where and by whom? Nobody died from the flu, everyone is dead from Covid (Caching). I just buried my double vaccinated aunt last weekend who died from COVID. The vaccine is not a vaccine and masks do not save lives. Turn off the news and get back to living life while you have one people.
You think my math is off, or you know it is? Based on what? Here is math...take 630,000 reported deaths, divide by 332,915,000 population of the USA, and then multiply that by 100 to get a percentage. What number do you come up with?
The data comes from the CDC.
I won't ask you about your recently deceased Aunt out of respect.
How exactly is the vaccine not a vaccine?
What evidence do you have that masks do not save lives?
Post by: ehjorten on August 03, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
How about this...
About 630,000 people have died from Covid in the USA
Yeah, those numbers are completely bogus. The CDC tracks total U.S. deaths, and 2020 was a completely average year. Here is a link comparing 2020 to past years, with CDC references.
https://www.myessentialnews.com/post/usdeaths
Wake up people, you have been had by the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. Covid is a real thing and potentially deadly to some people, but it is no more dangerous than the yearly flu. I defy anyone to look at the death numbers in the above link and provide any rational explanation where all those claimed 300k+ deaths went in 2020
A statistical average number of people died, but they continued to die of the usual causes with a slight overall increase, probably due to Covid. But apparently we have cured cancer, heart disease, and every other common cause of death because now the only thing anyone dies of is Covid.
I have a step-daughter that works as a nurse in a major hospital in Columbus, Ohio and I also have a cousin that is an APRN out of Boise, Idaho, so I have some direct source information. If Covid is no more dangerous than the yearly flu, and nurses and doctors do not agree with you on that, then how come we had trailers full of dead bodies? Did they hide the trailers full of dead bodies from the flu? Also...how would the, over 600,000 dead in the US from Covid have played out if we did nothing? If we didn't shutdown, mask up, etc.?
How do you classify someone who has heart disease (leading cause of death in the US) that would have lived with heart disease for a decade or more, but died due to complications with Covid? Same thing with Cancer...they might live for many, many more years, but died from complications caused by Covid? Is that a Covid death or a Cancer death? Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease? Diabetes? Just because someone has a comorbidity doesn't mean they died last year from that disease and Covid had nothing to do with it.
Finally...the data you posted is accurate according to the CDC records, but not for 2020. For 2020 the death rate in the USA is reported by the CDC as 3,358,814 not 2,913,144, so the increase is more like 17.6% and not average!
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm)
And wow!!! Covid is not reported as the only killer, it is reported as the 3rd most leading killer, after heart disease and cancer. I guess those didn't go away after all.
I will end my rant here with...I am not terribly scared of Covid, but I have done my part. I got vaccinated, I wore a mask, I physically distanced. The last part wasn't too hard because I am a home body anyways and have a small circle of close friends and a tight knit family. I took some calculated risks with my family during Covid. My step father had triple bypass heart surgery in the later part of 2020, so I was very careful to stay away from him until he had had some time to heal and then I was careful around him after when we had some birthday parties with friends invited. My wife has some mild asthma, so we were pretty careful there, but still took some risks. I don't live in fear and we mostly went about our lives with the exception of everything being shutdown. I finally broke down after resisting showing my vaccine card at work, so that I could "wear a pin" and not wear a mask. I was just sick and tired of wearing a mask at work. Anyways...back to work...enough with this stuff for today.
Post by: VileZambonie on August 03, 2021, 12:23:18 PM
My cousin died last year and they said he had covid, when he did not! His wife later died from cancer and they labeled her a Covid death too. I'm not dumb enough to believe all the BS, I see and believe what I see and that's it. I will not be convinced otherwise, at this time. All of us are entitled to our perceptions and beliefs. I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to follow my beliefs or stifle theirs.
Post by: Mr Diesel on August 03, 2021, 02:07:26 PM
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How exactly is the vaccine not a vaccine?
What evidence do you have that masks do not save lives?
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Well, since it was asked I did a quick google search to answer. Since people apparently only trust doctors i even made sure it was only doctors cited in the links below.
Tons of evidence masks aren't working. Here is Fauci himself saying it early last year DURING THE PANDEMIC.
https://m.facebook.com/DeannaForCongress/videos/368249931220565
Here is an interesting doctor explaining why the MRNA drugs aren't actually vaccines (this video was made before release of the blood clot and Guillan Barre causing Johnson and Johnson vaccine).
https://rumble.com/vf8hov-the-covid-19-so-called-vaccine-is-really-a-dangerous-experimental-gene-ther.html
Post by: Mr Diesel on August 03, 2021, 04:19:42 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-covid-adviser-americans-need-to-wear-n95-masks
Here is a good quote directly from him:
"We know today that many of the face cloth coverings that people wear are not very effective in reducing any of the virus movement in or out," Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said.
Post by: ehjorten on August 03, 2021, 05:03:46 PM
No one is saying don't get vaccinated or not to wear a mask. Imposing mandates without factual data and verifiable sources, testing done correctly without using human livestock as the guinea pigs, everything that is wrong with all of this is where at least half of the country, including myself have a problem. My degree is in business administration, I got an A in advanced calc and in stats so I know how to calculate percentages ;D. My point about your math, is using round about numbers and data that has clearly been manipulated. It's no secret that a COVID labeled death = extra payouts for hospitals. Garbage in = Garbage out metrics. In business, we find many ways to make our numbers look the way we want, trust me, rarely is it accurate.
My cousin died last year and they said he had covid, when he did not! His wife later died from cancer and they labeled her a Covid death too. I'm not dumb enough to believe all the BS, I see and believe what I see and that's it. I will not be convinced otherwise, at this time. All of us are entitled to our perceptions and beliefs. I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to follow my beliefs or stifle theirs.
Good talk Vile! I appreciate that. A good healthy debate is one of the things that makes America great. I have had a lot of discussions with so-called friends that just want to attack the other person personally rather than have a good debate about facts and personal beliefs.
I see your point and understand the issue about hospitals gaming the system to get money, but like I said earlier, even if the deaths were halved (a VERY conservative approach), the mortality rate from Covid is still something like 9 times higher than the flu and that is with all of the restrictions and physical distancing put in place! It would have been much worse if we did nothing.
Now to the point of the expediency of the vaccine...we had to do that! If we did not do that and assume some risk, the death toll and the length of the shutdown would have been much much longer! The economy would have been in shambles much more than it was. The data is out there. There is a ton of it! The FDA needed 6 months of data and then they have a 6 month review process. How long should we have waited? No one would have the vaccine yet! Incidentally, there is a lot of data out there now that is suggesting that the immunities wear off to the point now that in about 6 months you might need a booster shot. In the UK they have a lot of this data that suggests that. We are about at 6 months now from where the elderly in nursing homes first got their shots. What do we do? If we do nothing, we could perhaps see Covid making the rounds in nursing homes again.
One thing I will say about the vaccine...do you think it even has a chance of not being approved, after so many millions have received it? It would cause a panic! But...I got the vaccine and everyone I know received it, including my 16 year old son and 12 year old daughter. We haven't turned into zombies yet! :)
Post by: VileZambonie on August 04, 2021, 06:42:27 AM
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Good talk Vile! I appreciate that. A good healthy debate is one of the things that makes America great.
Agreed, unfortunately, all we see are temper tantrums, political divide, and endless flaming everywhere. It's gotten old! It took a tragedy like 911 to bring our country back together, united, but here we are again. Media seems to be the catalyst to it all if you ask me.
Post by: Irish_Alley on August 22, 2021, 04:30:18 PM