Author Topic: '84 C-10 can't pass Cal smog Nox  (Read 3019 times)

Offline freppun

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Re: '84 C-10 can't pass Cal smog Nox
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2020, 09:02:53 AM »
Johnny, still working on finding a blunt tool to manually open the EGR circuit.
The change in valves did result in a reduction in NO - 304ppm at the 25mph/25% load, though only 54ppm at 15mph/50% load.
The new valve made a difference, though not enough.

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Re: '84 C-10 can't pass Cal smog Nox
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2020, 09:29:25 AM »
You stated that the old EGR valve is "very gunky."  Post pics of the underside of the valve flange and the intake manifold that clearly show all the exhaust passage openings and any coke accumulation where the valve joins the manifold.
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Re: '84 C-10 can't pass Cal smog Nox
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2020, 07:45:17 PM »
Don't know how to insert image.
Have included it as an attachment.

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Re: '84 C-10 can't pass Cal smog Nox
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2020, 09:15:41 PM »
Based on the carbon buildup around the pintle I suggest that the exhaust passage under and through the floor of the intake manifold is similarly caked if not worse.  The telltale is whether or not lifting the pintle completely off of its seat at idle stalls or nearly stalls the engine.  So you are still faced with finding a means to accomplish that.  If you can't figure out an alternative, thoroughly clean the caked carbon from the old valve and reinstall it; then you can lift up on the old EGR diaphragm to evaluate exhaust passage restrictions through the head and intake manifold.  If the passages are in fact clogged with carbon, there are various means to de-kludge them along with the combustion chambers (recall Viles reference to generating copious plumes of smoke).  Beyond the application of very select chemicals are stiff but flexible metal rods, compressed air, and worse case, removing the intake manifold and having it hot tanked.

FYI - oxides of nitrogen are produced during the combustion process exacerbated by high combustion temperatures.  Various means of lowering combustion temperatures reduce NOx emissions (e.g., EGR, modest ignition timing, decreased compression ratio, etc).  Specifically, the EGR valve dilutes the intake charge with pre-burned gases decreasing the volume of oxidizable compounds.  Decreasing the available fuel and air to burn equates to lower combustion temperatures, hence, lower NOx emissions.
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Re: '84 C-10 can't pass Cal smog Nox
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2020, 09:50:35 PM »
Well frep,

Sounds like your EGR dilution circuit might be a little bit cloggulated. bd offers the best approach, if and when you get the old EGR ginny back in, and you manually raise the diaphragm, and she doesn't choke, you have blockage (cloggulation). Follow the recommended course and hope you don't have to remove the intake...

BTW, my earlier dissertation on water et. al. will not help in this situation...

I knew if we waited on this thread, we would receive manna from heaven...  ;)

Thanks for the schooling on NOx bd! 
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