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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Members Rides => Topic started by: Irish_Alley on February 23, 2014, 11:05:16 PM
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was searching craigs list last night, came upon a post only 2 hours old. it said 84 chevy, so i bit. and the guy was asking 4.5k for it so as soon as i got off work i sent it to my friend. he says lets go (its only a 3 hour trip). being sunday i dont have 4.5k just laying around so right after breakfast i went to someone who i knew would have it. i borrowed some cash from a good friend and borrowed his 2001 ram 2500 5.9 (http://www.naioa.com/v2/modules/Forums/images/smiles/drool.gif). called the guy up and said i have 4k in my hand right now, he kind of changed the subject and was talking about fixing something before he sold it. i thought i offende him, so i said you dont understand i have 4k right now and i would pick the truck up today. he got a little happy with that and i told him ill be up in a coule hours.
well on the way to P.A. we noticed traffic was backed up south bound(we where going north) so kind of hurt to think we would be going threw that going home. but 3 hours later after hitting a bunch of pot holes we arrived to see my beauty
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thats right shes a cummins 8) sounded good too. she does have the cummins to gm adapter plate and dana 60/14 bolt. loaded her up the guy threw in a visor and sm465 mated to a 205. she may not look the best but man once you sit behind the wheel of a chevy/gmc with a cummins it will bring a smile to anyone face
all in all it wasnt a steal but it was a good deal. it also turned out to be a 84 so now i have a truck as old as me
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Very nice.
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Congrat's on the new truck. So how did he mistake it as a 87 if it is a 84 ? What does the paperwork say, you did get a title with it right ?
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looks like a great truck....it is funny I am trying to get a diesel red 84 'crew cab' 4x4 with a dana 60/14 bolt, but the guy is not returning my texts or emails and it was only 5 days old when I saw it. Best of luck with the truck.
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nice truck good deal. good friends.
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very cool. I've never really been into diesels, I guess because I never felt I needed the extra grunt. ??? but the rest of the truck is a pure gem. nice find.
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Cummins power, it was worth it IMO 1 ton and all...
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Nice truck, you have any pics under the hood?
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Congratulations, looks like a good starting point. How is the interior?
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ill get some pics under the hood tomorrow. it has a 4l60 but the boy was clear and said it was shot. still has 1st and 2nd it will shift to 3rd but no matter what you do the engine just revs then it will just coast. went by my uncles right across the street from the shop and took him for a ride. put her in 1st and floored it threw us both back, need to put something up to protect the rear windows from heads lol.
it still has the stock radio am/fm, dash is shot, seat has a couple rips but its weirdly nice and cushny . it was a base model with a 454 so it doesnt even have ac lol. 87 to 84 deal idk. vins match the only thing i can think of is his brother listed it on Craig list.
the square plug on the 4l60 isnt pluged in no speedo or tach. trying to decide what to do about the trans. could we build the 4l60 up to hold the cummins? have a 10 speed with a cummins adapter just sitting. it would be real cool but not practical and we would lose 4x4.
had a guy who works on tractor trailers come by today. showed him the truck his was happy to see it, said it was a good engine to start with. so it seams 9 out of 10 people dont like the truck once i tell them i paid 4k for it( around home). so i asked him how much is it worth, he said 2.5k. my jaw dropped i was like did i get a crappy cummins, so i asked him how much is the engine worth he said 2.5k.
so with a engine worth 2.5 axles worth 1k adapter plate worth 1k i think it was a good deal. just have to figure out the trans
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It is a good deal. Some people just don't know what they are looking at.
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The problem is if you are a normal person and you look at the truck and say i paid 4g for it ,it is alot for what you see.... But if you calculate everything by its value then you see that it was a deal .Dont worry what ppl think you bought it you like it shoot if you dont want to run it and have the place well you will probably get more back . shoot im looking for a decent box and cab cant find or too far ....
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screw real people(who live nraer by), i have you guys lmao. just cant wait to see the in-law's faces when i drive her up to their house (http://www.naioa.com/v2/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif)
even when i got her insured the insurance lady who knew my wife since she was born told her " i think he might have a problem. he might be a collector" my wife says "yes, thats what im afraid of" some people dont understand why you need 4 or 5 trucks lol
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Test out it's true strength by running over the visor ;D
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Test out it's true strength by running over the visor ;D
Come on Irish you got to find a Emoticons for this.
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"He might be a collector" my wife says "yes, thats what im afraid of" some people dont understand why you need 4 or 5 trucks lol
I understand why. You need a fleet. People have that need from time to time! That being said..... I officially, and in front of all of the interwebs, hereby claim dibs on the first right of purchase of this Cummins powered one ton single wheel in the unlikely event that Irish decides he needs to thin his heard.
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Test out it's true strength by running over the visor ;D
well i know i wont put it on, but someone somewhere will pay $50 for it.
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Wow they fit in there snug ...... you will know when you have a bad cab support it will start touching . im guessing would be better with a body lift :P
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I like it.
Though not a bargain, I think it was worth $4K.
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yeah i dont think it was a deal but it was worth it and i knew it wouldnt last long. figured he upped the price so if someone did talk him down he still got what he wanted. would of liked to get it for 3.5 but didnt want to let him "think" about it. he said he phone was ringing off the hook till i got threr
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so silly question, is it hard to swap in a cummins when a diesel is already in there? it's obvious the cummins is superior to the (I'm guessing here) 350 diesel it came with but are they (the cummins) that plentiful or do the dodge owners not know how to take care of the truck so the truck falls apart before the engine is even thinking of being tired?
even at 4k I would say you go a great deal. you may think it is high but what is it really worth... overall condition looks decent and solid I think.
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the dodge trucks fall apart, they ride rough. idk why but the cummins 6bt (5.9) is about 1100 lbs. its not a light engine and its bigger than our 350 will 2 less cylinders. in stock form the 1st gen puts out only 160 hp and 400 tq. the cummins is used in everything from case equipment to school buses. they have a 4bt a 4 cylinder that is easier to put into other vehicles and is about 1k -$500 cheaper than the 6bt. the 6bt being so heavy and with its power isnt recommended in 1/2 tons, and trying to find a trans that will hold up to it is hard to find. dodge has a problem with ball joints and their front end anyway once the cummins goes it it really makes things go south fast. thinking about doing away with the 4x4 right now and dropping in a 10 speed. then once i get a crew cab ready i will worry about the 4x4.
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I think you made out well You couldn't pull off a swap for less than that... Little jealous actually... LOL
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I think you made out well You couldn't pull off a swap for less than that... Little jealous actually... LOL
Exactly! That truck is worth more than what you paid for it. The testimony to that is that the phone was ringing off of the hook. $1500 in axles, $1000 in tranny and t case, $2500 for the Cummins, probably a $700 adapter to get it bolted up to the tranny, several hundred in swap parts, labor to screw it all together? AAAND it comes with a great looking Chevy wrapped around it? I wish I could find one around here for that money. Bargain of the year as far I am concerned. That truck is an intercooler, injectors, turbo, injector pump, and a paint job away from being a legend.
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looks good!
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thanks guys :). gotten to drive her around the farm AND the boost gauge goes up to 30 psi 0 is at 6 o'clock and 30 is at 3 o'clock. well found out if you let the turbo spool up then floor it she will spin back around to 0 psi lol. was planing on taking the motor out and still getting a crew cab to put it in. but i kind of fallen for this truck she looks like an old farm truck and its a 84 so shares the same birth year as me. we figured once we get the trans delt with and keep her looking about the same she will make a nice sleeper.
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great find, but I still prefer my 6.5
alec
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i started on a 6.5td they have their problems (electric) but there was something missing when i been driving lately and it was the smell of diesel. then i realize i missed the smell of diesel fuel in the morning (http://www.naioa.com/v2/modules/Forums/images/smiles/burnout1.gif)
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So yesterday we heard they where having a tracktor/truck pull Saturday and sunday. and for some reason we decided it would be a good ideal, figured if anything goes it would be the trans but 1st and 2nd still pull good. so today after work we got the truck fitted up put on a little clevis
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heres my little boy hugging my best friends daughter they are 6 month apart.
there was some good truck there ford dodge and diesel. but during registration they asked if its stock and i told them it has a stock cummins in it. ok no problem they put me in the Hot Street class diesel this is only one step above street diesel. i was first cool with it then i saw what i was running against and what my class meant. it meant it was a street legal truck BUT wasn't stock parts IE engine or turbo. and i was running against a 24v and two duramaxs. all these trucks also ran the street diesel class so they had a live programmer vs my stock cummins. i said something about why is that 89 dodge running street diesel but i have the same engine same tune and i have to run with the big dogs. they said since gm didnt have the cummins i couldnt run with them. so i knew i had no chance of doing anything and not to mention this was my first competition so i was nervous of that.
the trucks ahead of me pulled around 200+ft think first took 209. now i cant remember what the lady over the inter calm said but i want to say she said 199 but i kind of think she said 109 lol. now i must say my boost gauge might be wrong but it did say 30+psi so i didnt floor it so that might of hurt. and i didnt blow as much smoke as i thought i would of soooo some work is in the works
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you got to love my cheer leaders, and btw i was waiting for him to wave the flag not just hole it. thought he was waiting for the ok from the far end
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Still wasn't bad..
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yeah i made it past the cones lol
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missed out on a real good deal today. a guy about a hour away was on craigslist about 2300 last night. i got on about 0200. he was selling his 1999 dodge 2500 cummins and 5 speed for 4500. i hemmed and hawed about it till lunch called him up asked whats up with it (why so cheap the engine is worth 2500 and the trans is worth 3500) but he said i was about the 200th called and he wished he asked for more money but someone was getting a trailer to come pick it up :'(
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its a good engine to swap and so on but does have its problems like every other engine. I would def take care of he kdp on it. At times I miss my 97 cummins but the death wobble and crap trans didn't make it worth keeping it.
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yeah once it gets pulled for the 4l80/205 i will def take care of the kdp. my buddy had two 5.9s he got on a trade. took them to the machine shop to get them baked and checked and both had cracked heads. apparently the 5.9s are prone to cracking and the heads are considered not reusable because of this. but others say if your not loosing compression then dont worry about it.
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well got the trans i wanted from a customer. got a 2000 k3500 blown 6.5td with a dump body electric over hydraulic 8.1'. all i wanted was the trans but the guy told me from the get go he needed it out in two days. i hemmed and hawed about it kept on saying how scared i was to get the trans cause the fluid didnt look good ;-). he asked whats it worth to me i said "core price" and he asked how much is that. i told him $200. so he kept dropping the price from around $1500 got him down to $800 and with what he owed my buddy ($200) he dropped it down to $700. so i told him 7+2=9 not 8. then i got the whole truck for $650. i think we can fix the dump body up and get a easy 1.5k out of her. then im going to put my 94 c1500 short bed on the frame after some cutting putting another 4l80e and a 400hp/tq carbed motor in her. maybe give it to the wife since it is her first truck ;-).
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I think you did really well, I had a 98.5 24 valve cummins , ram 2500 4x4. I built up the engine and truck, I went to school at universal technical institute for diesel industrial technology . I'd love to help out if you have any questions . 576rwhp 1158rwtq after I was done with the build, 58 lbs of boost, I think you scored on this truck. Awesome friggin shape and having those axles paired up to a cummins, oh yeah that's awesome for sure. Cummins engines are the best. Get the KDP fixed ASAP ASAP ASAP. This engine will keep going forever if you take care of it. Long live Cummins engines lol
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lol. how expensive is it to get 400hp out of one of these?
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I know it doesn't take a ton of money. You'd be amazed the difference you see with just some timing and a fuel screw adjustments. Even though the P-pumped trucks are the hot rodder's choice, there are guys who hop up the VE pumped trucks. I know Scheid Diesel in Terra Haute can make them run. Here is what I have always thought was a great Cummins related forum. Great info over there.
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forum.php?s=cee3685373e6e0ac8e594fe2a07b1d1f (http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forum.php?s=cee3685373e6e0ac8e594fe2a07b1d1f)
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i did take her mudding today. the only problem i had was the tires that where on her, they are too narrow. i was going threw some weeds and with just a little resistance they just dug. she did back out with no problem but i was half tempted to gut the fenders and put 40s on her. but i dont want to ruin good fenders for a little fun
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Not tooo expensive , depending on altitude and humidity in your area. The engines overall health and what your clutch can put to the ground. I would honestly say for 1500 to 2500 depending on your engines needs, you would have a nice running cummins making good power if you did it yourself
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are we talking injectors and pump or what other mods? the pump has been turned up i know that. it doesnt smoke real bad when you get on it, and im ok with that. dont mind a little smoke but some of those trucks in the truck pull where ridicules like you would lose sight of them on the track
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If your injectors are stock which I'm assuming they are, you have many options with this cummins engine you have to make good reliable power , first , you can advance and adjust your timing a hair, that will help, also, your fuel pump can be adjusted quite a bit to add fuel, once you add fuel you need the air to match the new fuel delivery. Your turbo can be adjusted as well with a different waste gate or by simply adjusting the spring and what the new pressure let off will be. Another way to gain some ponies is by going with a stage 1 injector setup. Stage 2 would be the most I would go on your truck depending on what you are wanting to do. Stage 3 75hp injectors really start to add quite a bit of fuel and a stock turbo would have a hard time keeping up... You could "make" it work but then your turbo would have to be cranked up quite a bit causing it to operate out of its efficiency range causing increased exhaust gas temperatures and a loss in fuel mileage and in power and torque as well. Creating 25 to 30 lbs of boost on a stock cummins turbo ( you probably have a holsett hx40 because you have a manual ) the hx35's were mainly mounted onto the automatic tranny trucks because faster spool time and a lack of ability to get the rpms up better and not have turbo lag. Now with your 5.9l I wanted to say that they are NOT prone to cracking on the heads nor the block.. That is mislead information whoever told you that. I did nothing but work on and around cummins engines and dodge cummins diesel trucks for several years. I have an associates in diesel industrial technology and built my 5.9 24 valve from the ground up after sucking the rubber grommet on a K&n air filter into my engine in the desert of Arizona ,,,,, I would NOT recommend k&n at all for your cummins.. I would go with an AEM dry flow air filter. Find one with a 40 micron rating or better... The problem with k&n is that it's holes through the actual filter are too large and small particles combined with boost pressures and air intake speeds suck the particules straight through and into your engine creating a slow sandblasting effect on your engine... Changing the exhaust housing side of the turbo to a smaller one creates faster spool up times but not as much boost as if you went with a larger exhaust housing with longer spool up times... You may also choose to change your intake compressor housing side to a larger or smaller wheel... Your best options for a grand or under is to change out the injectors, advance your timing, fix the killer dowel pin ( has nothing to do with power ) adjust your fuel pump and tune it up a bit, get a AEM dry flow air filtration system, a FASS ( fuel air separation system can go a LONG ways on your trucks ability to fuel itself while separating any air and water from your fuel. Leads to a much better fuel delivery , better burn rate with the air taken out and moisture as well, also, something to think about. Get 5/8" thick fuel lines from the fuel pump in your tank all the way to the fuel pump you have up front. Only so much fuel can be delivered through your stock fuel pump from the fuel tank side. You can get your engines fuel pump cranked up but the pump supplying fuel from your fuel tank can only do so much without adding a aftermarket pump for your tank and larger fuel lines to go with it. Get a FASS for your truck.. Even not thinking about hp and tq it will serve you well just having one on your truck to seperate air water and fuel to your cummins engine... A nice good 3 to 4" ( depends on airflow and boost and fuel delivery ) ( your setup ( fuel timing air etc ) depends heavily on what all is done on what size to go with for your down pipe and your power of the motor combined with your boost levels will determine what size down pipe from your turbo you will need.. THAT is a HUGE game changer in allowing those hot exhaust gas temperatures to quickly exit your turbo and not create higher temps by turning everything else up a notch and not having the ability to create boost and dispense it quickly . Having lingering hot exhaust temps is bad for your turbo and engines ability to run efficiency off your turbo. Once you address the down pipe you will see a deduction in exhaust gas temps on your EGT gauge , if you don't have one yet I highly recommend one. Go with an auto meter gauge . And mount your temp sensor on the manifold NOT the exhaust side of the turbo housing. Who cares what the temp is going out the housing side? Because it's already gone through your engine and exiting the turbo side, the air pressure is done doing its job when it's exiting out the back of the turbo . A better safer more accurate reading will be on the manifold itself, that will give you a good true reading and will allow you to monitor and control your EGT temperatures in a much better way... Your air intake manifold can be swapped out for an aftermarket one that will allow more air to flow through. Be careful of ATS products as they overrate and overstate their products capabilities . I would look elsewhere if I was you... Larger diameter piping for your turbo throughout the entire engine will help you out and cool the temps down a bit, use the blue turbo hoses and clamps provided by a local or online store, stock boots will start blowing off and slowly ripping at 35 to 40 lbs of boost. I ran 58 lbs of boost on a single turbo with phenomanol turbo spool up times.... Your tranny can hold up to quite a bit of tq and hp compared to the automatic trans by a LONGSHOT. I blew up 3 trannies, 3 torque converters and two valve bodies on a 1000hp rated ATS stage 2 billet race tranny... $5795.,, now it was all covered under warranty but still, if you decide to change transmissions, sun coast would be a great company to look at! But your stock tranny coupled with a nice aftermarket clutch will go a LONG ways in helping you not break your clutch or your transmission. No billet input or output shafts are needed for 400hp so you should be just fine there. But definitely change out all your u-joints to a stronger solid cross design... Get u-joints without the grease insert.... Buy yourself good u-joints... Thread locker on your bolts to hold the u joints in will help greatly as stretched bolts can cause big problems for your driveline... Run royal purple or Lucas or amsoil or ROTELLA , valvoline or Mobil one and stick with the same brand every single time you do an oil change, purolator makes a great engine oil filter for your cummins engine. Buy two quarts of oil extra each and every time you change your oil get that Diesel engine oil HOT and it will drain much better and more efficiently . Flush the two extra quarts of oil down your valve cap to flush out extra varnish and dirty oil for a sparkling clean as possible engine every time after a oil change on that cummins. Get a large magnetic drain plug from a local shop or online to help seperate the junk ( metal shavings ) that your engine will have after a oil change....change your tranny oil like clock work with your engine oil. Every two oil changes possibly three depending on how hard you are on it where you live what kind of conditions the truck is put through change that tranny fluid... Key to long tranny life,,,, careful of mixing too much water in your coolant , causing cavitation in the motor... Ohh and remove your muffler and clear out all the junk, remove that and put a better flowing muffler on it.... Those mufflers just kill the exhaust and motor big time, that in itself changing that will help out alot.. If you have any questions I'd be happy to help you Irish
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Sorry it's been a couple months since you asked your question, life has been pretty hectic busy Irish