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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Interior & Equipment => Steering Columns => Topic started by: cwilson jr on January 10, 2009, 12:06:49 pm
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my switch just broke and i was looking at what was all involved in swapping it out on these and it looks you basically take the cover off the column and swap out the switch. is it really this simple? i changed one on a metro once and there was just a little more too it.
this is for an 85 k10.
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Do you want to change the switch? Or do you want to change the lock cylinder? What's it doing? The rack is probably broken.
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the lock cylinder is broke. it always has been hard to turn since i've owned the truck and then it recently started to stick in the "start" position on me. today i went to start her up and it totally snapped and the positions are all off and now i don't even have a "start" position.
i take it to the furthest position, lights up the dash lights and just has that annoying buzzing continously. also i can't take it all the way back to the "lock" positon as it stops a little short of that and no "acc". the only other thing is the last position before it stops short of the lock line is the radio powers on. this is all without the key. the key in doesn't seem to make a difference one way or the other.
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Sounds like it's the rack assembly, not the lock cylinder.
(http://www.americanclassic.com/images/HRN-102NOS.jpg)
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never heard of it. so what is exactly the easiest way to correct this and what part do i need to pick up?
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how do you access and change the rack assembly? i tore apart the column today and picked up a new lock cylinder as well, and it is doing the same thing. it will not line up with the lock line position on the plastic column cover once i have inserted the key to allow me to turn the cylinder and line it up with the little metal rectangle piece that goes in the end of the lock cylinder. it does not let me go into in the start position as well, where it would normally spring back once i was done cranking.
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Did you verify that's what it needs? When you turn the key does the rod move the ignition switch accordingly? If not the rack and sector are broken. If it moves correctly the issue is most likely the switch. The most common problem with the key cylinder is a lost key or it won't turn or the key will fall out. If you are replacing the lock cylinder, what position do you have the key in when you removed and reinstalled it?
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i went to start it the other day and i heard something "snap" and then the farthest i could take the key was the "on"position. i could not take it to the "start" position to crank the vehicle at all. it was always hard to crank down on it, and now something broke and you can't get it to that position at all. o purchased a new lock cylinder and when i install it, the cylinder does the same thing when off and is misaligned with the "lock" line on the column. just as the old cylinder was, AFTER it broke.
i can also add that when it was still working and hard to crank, there was a slight delay from when the truck would actually start cranking. i also have an auto gear selector and tilt to deal with on the column.
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By most your description...I agree with Vile, the "rack" likely broke. You need to check as he was asking, do you see the rod on the top side of the column, is it moving up & down while you work the key? You may want to take out the bolts that mount the column to the dash to get more room.
If the rack is broken, you need to remove the wheel, turn signal switch, lock plate, ignition switch & the lock cylinder. Fish the rod on the "rack", line up the gear correctly & reinstall everything. Good Luck...If you need further help, just ask, Lorne
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i have everything off/out except the turn signal which it seems like you have to disconnect the wires to release that large white plastic piece which is still held in there by all the wires and there is no harness clip. it looks like i would have to remove the gear selector as well? i don't know. not seeing a way though. i also don't see anything to remove the actual turn signal lever/stalk. i cannot locate the actual ignition switch as well.
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Just pull the stalk straight out in the off position. Unscrew the hazard button, remove the signal switch screws and the stalk actuator lever screw. Just pull it up and out of the way. Remove the canceling cam and lock plate. Is this a tilt column?
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yes, tilt column with gear selector as well.
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i pulled the stalk out, but there is still the assembly that holds the stalk in the way. it is mounted by some kind of pins. i have included some pics of this and the overall plastic piece that prevents me from pulling the column cover off as well.
(well, it turns out my pics are two large for posting.) if someone can downsize them i can email them to you. thanks)
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You can easily resize your own images. Here's a free program that works great. click here (http://www.irfanview.com/) or just upload them to photobucket.com and resize them.
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here's the large white piece that's connected to the wiring.
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there's a lot of articles if you google it with pics. If you wanna remove the upper jacket you need to remove the pins. You can either use a bolt and some vice grips or the tool for the job.
http://www.chevyasylum.com/column/tiltcol.html
http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/steering.html
http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=53386&dept_id=120&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Car+Care+%26+Tools+-+General+Tools-_-53386-_-X
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the piece that's still connected into the turn signal stalk...
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and, here's the piece that's connected with a pin. it's the smaller round lighter item with a copper colored center on the bottom left-hand side near the wiring. it's like that on the rear side too. if i remember correctly, it has something to do with holding the turn signal in as well. not positive on this. just going by memmory, but know it's holding me up.
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i have alot of things off, even those four bolts on the bottom of the column and i still can't get any slack in the wires that hold the large white piece. nor do i see how you remove it. i also notice that rod is supposed to fit into a divot in the switch. it will not stay in there and i don't see anything to hold it in place even when everything is put back together. i'm trying to get this thing firing soon as i'm going to be moving out of state. if i don't get this fixed soon is there a way just to bypass all the ignition and use the truck without the lock and rack, whatever broke in the first place?
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I'm not really sure what you are saying you are stuck on. You should either read some articles or buy a book on gm steering columns if you are having a lot of difficulty with it. There are tons of articles with pix just google it.
http://www.carcraft.com/howto/56459/index.html
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Ditto, What is the issue? The wires, the stalk?