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General Site Info => General Discussion => Topic started by: joesgarage71 on January 25, 2009, 04:48:11 pm
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Are you or any of your family out of work or so slow at work cause the auto industry is going to pot? I am and so are people in my little town.
You know if there were more people that would buy AMERICAN products we might not be in this mess. ya there are companies that moved away from the states, and there products should have been boycoted. Just for an example the garmet industry moved away. There where so many jobs lost in the southeast is wasn't funny. Just like the auto industry, people are buying these NEW foreign cars. I don't want to hear "oh they get better gas milage or they are built better Or what can I do I'm just one person" Well if people didn't buy them and bought American cars the US car companies might build them better but NO They have to compete so they build them cheaper. Like Earl Pitts says"WAKE UP AMERICA" We are doing this to our selves.
Are you a patriot?? or are you just thinking of yourself?
Nuff said
I got my flame suit on!
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Part of it lays rest on our government. We have tons of import cars here, but to import our cars over seas, someone on the other end has to pay an astronomical price just to get it. That added cost is due to their government. Maybe should return the favor and charge the tar out of them if they want to sell their cars here. A good frind from South Africa said that to get an American vehicle over there would cost almost twice what it would here. He said you can get a Mercedes there for what a Caprice classic costs here, but the Caprice Classic would be alot higher than the Mercedes. Im with you.
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I put in a credit app with the local gmc dealer saturday morning for a new truck. Never heard back from them though >:(. I bought a new truck from them before too.
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Are you a patriot?? or are you just thinking of yourself?
Nuff said
I got my flame suit on!
LOL, love the "flame suit on"
First let me say that I own no "foreign" vehicles, but I also own no vehicle where everything on them was made in the USA. My vehicles are a 79 Chevy 4x4, 97 Chevy Suburban, 87 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z, and a 2008 Jeep Patriot (Note no foreign models listed.)
But we have to remember, the old label no longer works. Here's why:
Today, Honda builds the Accord, Civic, Odyssey, and Acura MDX in plants in Canada and The United States.
Toyota builds the Camry, Avalon, Corolla, Solara, Tacoma, Tundra, Matrix, Sienna, and Lexus RX350 in plants across Canada and the United States.
Nissan builds virtually all of their vehicles in The United States including the Maxima, Altima, Titan, Armada, Frontier, Pathfinder, and Xterra.
Mitsubishi, Subaru, BMW, Hyundai and Mercedes-Benz also build cars throughout The United States.
Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, Subaru and others have Research & Development centers in the United States which means they are also designing their cars in the US.
Ford and GM build cars in Europe, Asia and North America.
Chrysler is owned by Daimler-Benz (a German company).
At the Detroit auto shows the UAW hand out bags at the Ford booth that say "Buy American" written in big letters. What exactly does that mean: Buy the Toyota Camry that is built in Kentucky, the Ford Fusion that is built in Mexico, or the Dodge Charger that is built in Canada?
Crap, I have no idea what built in America means anymore, do you know something I don't :-\
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I have no idea what built in America means anymore, do you know something I don't
Everything "made in America" seems to be half the technology at twice the price. I can't blame anyone for buying foreign products anymore. Toyota is probably the most reliable vehicle with the best technology in the auto industry.
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my wifes 07 sonata was built in alabama by americans. Maybe they were put together with parts made in korea I don't know but the americans that assembled the car still earned a paycheck so in my mind I still helped out fellow americans by buying that car new.
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I have no idea what built in America means anymore, do you know something I don't
Everything "made in America" seems to be half the technology at twice the price. I can't blame anyone for buying foreign products anymore. Toyota is probably the most reliable vehicle with the best technology in the auto industry.
+1 Ilook at American vehicles as being built by Americans in America, but I know the parts come from overseas in some instances. The new Toyota is an awesome truck. I bought a Chevy because I prefe Chevy and it was the same price (actually cheaper) than an equally equipped Toyota. I also know that not all the parts were made in the US. The killer for me with foreign vehicles is the cost of parts, but the big 3 arent far behind.
Alot of parts come from outside the US, and are assembled in the US to be sold as American. Why is it that the supposedly true American car companies are having so much trouble?
I think we are in the same boat with the automobile industries as we are in the oil feild. Those who have the money to make the decisions on what costs what and what happens where know they can get t cheaper elsewhere than here. I have seen many guys in the patch that make $20-$25 /hr and it is amazing that they can even dress themselves. Anyone who works in the oil patch know what I am talking about. There are certain guys that make over$100,000 a year to sit in a rv and tell rig hands what to do. They never leave the trailer. Now there are some that work their hind ends off for their money, but Id bet 75 percent or more dont. The oil market got too high too fast, and now is paying the consequences. Poor management ( not government) caused this. I think the same goes for the auto industry. The number of new vehicles from the Big Three I see here in Texas is amazing. Why are they broke? Is texas the only state buying new trucks/??? I dont think so.
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If I ever buy new. I'll consider my American options, but will most likely end up going Japanese. My mother's Acura TL has had NOTHING go wrong with it in the past 4½. If she had gotten the Impala she test drove and seriously considered, that would almost certainly not be the case. Good thing the interior quality didn't even compare, or she may have gotten it. She spent a few thousand more and got the better car.
My parents got their first Japanese car in the late 70's. My father admits that it really bothered him to do so. But at the time American cars were garbage and couldn't come close in terms longevity or gas mileage. That little Datsun was still serving my grandmother until about 8 years ago when her lack of maintanence finally did it in.
I recommended a Honda Odyssey to my Uncle in 2001. After comparing it to all the other minivans on the market for nearly two months (he never rushes into a decision), he agreed that it was the best overall choice. He was bothered by it not being American-made at the time, but he made the right decision anyway. Now over 250,000 miles later (he's driven it cross country numerous times - two sons in the military), he swears he'll never even consider another American vehicle; he says he's never had such a reliable, satisfying car in his life and now resents the American manufacturers for selling him such crap all these years. I drove it the other day, a few interior rattles, electrically operated rear vent window that sticks (only in cold weather), but it runs cherry, and handles/rides great. I bet he could go another 250,000 miles if he wanted to.
Sorry, but American car manufacturers did this to themselves.
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Sorry, but American car manufacturers did this to themselves.
Even, I'll have to agree. I've always been a Chevy guy and probably always will be. I just don't understand why the "Big Three" can't follow or even lead in the quality of vehicles built. Are they holding back or just using the money for their corporate jets?
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Exactly, there is no good reason American cars shouldn't be ahead of the curve. American car buyers didn't just wake up one morning and decide to stab Detroit in the back. Detroit allowed the Japanese to gain a market here by betraying the American car buyers with laziness and incompetence. I hate that this is the truth, I'd love to see the big three on top again...and they have been improving in the past few years, but it seems like too little, too late.
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Sorry, but American car manufacturers did this to themselves.
Even, I'll have to agree. I've always been a Chevy guy and probably always will be. I just don't understand why the "Big Three" can't follow or even lead in the quality of vehicles built. Are they holding back or just using the money for their corporate jets?
{flame suit on}
It has a lot to do with the unions. If GM and Toyota was building the exact same car, GM would have to charge $1500 more than Toyota just to cover the cost of thier workers Benefits. Then you through in the salary difference and the cost if even higher. So GM knows they can't compete building the same car, so they build a cheaper car to reduce the cost then claim that it's the same car or better.
{flame suit off}
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Its the unions, and the over paid lazy suits of the big three. Many other reasons / pros, and cons but it boils down to them building crap for a long time, and while doing so the unions, and suits got greedy! Like already said, quality now is a to little to late. The two cars I own that I would trust most are 55 Chevy, and a 91 Toyota Camry. I have never, and will never buy a brand new car or truck.
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I have never, and will never buy a brand new car or truck.
Me too, What really puts me off is how much the value of a new car drops right when you drive off the lot. That tells me right there the new car dealers/manufacturers are raping every person who buys a new car. I'll just buy used and the value won't change when I drive off the lot.....
I'll never even own a foriegn car or truck. anyone who buys a foreign car/truck is sending money from our economy directly to foreign countries, which in my mind (correct me if I'm wrong) is sucking us dry and making them richer (a little bit at a time). They may have workers here, but the profits go overseas and stay there. Especially if that guy that works at the toyota plant buys a toyota truck. It's bad enough my electronics are foriegn, but I'm not sending a car-sized chunk of my money overseas.
I think the UAW should be shut down, They served their purpose in the beginning, but they've outlived they're productiveness. They've switched places with the old companies they were formed to fight.
Check this out where the UAW is screwing FORD over real good. Here's your cheaper cars, but they're not coming thanks to the UAW. This is a ford video, but before too long gm and chrysler would have a version too.
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189 (http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189)
The UAW WON'T allow it here in the US. Whats wrong with that? Employees telling the company what to do? I'd bankrupt my own company to get rid of them and start again. Someone is full of crap to think that under any circumstances, ANY forklift driver is worth 110k a year. The info is out there, but i know this is fact for some of their forklift drivers.
I think they should tax heavily any companies farming labor out to any other country, and also they should tariff all imports to the point of making american stuff competitive, if need be. Remember WWII? We were the industrial envy of the WORLD. and guess what, we didn't import cars, computers, toys, FOOD, etc. We made everything and exported crazy amounts of stuff to the alies. It can get back to that, But people are too lazy and miserly to help the cause of themselves. A phrase comes to mind, not to crap where you eat.... I think it's already over though. All politics and religion aside, Look around at things dude, were screwed.
I am not directing any of this at any one person, but the general public in general.
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If you buy used, it doesn't really matter if the car is foriegn or not. The money goes to the pocket of the PO.
The point about driving off the lot and the worth of your car drops value meaning the value was never what you paid is right on the money (pun intended). Same thing happens for the foriegn jobs, too. I bought new once, never again. It just doesn't make good sense for the average person.
The only reason I can think of to buy new is for a business where you get a rightoff on depreciation.
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I have no idea what built in America means anymore, do you know something I don't
Everything "made in America" seems to be half the technology at twice the price. I can't blame anyone for buying foreign products anymore. Toyota is probably the most reliable vehicle with the best technology in the auto industry.
Too true. I've got a 1990 Toyota 4Runner with over 300,000 miles on it, still ticking like a Timex watch.
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I buy new cars for several reasons but #1 is I know that the car has never been smoked in. Other reasons include I know it was not abused and I know how it's maintained.
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I will certainly agree about unions. Just like minimum wage going up and up and our salaries staying the same. If I have to pay a cashier $8.25 an hour to ring up a $.75 pack of gum I'm going to have to charge $1.50 for the pack of gum. then gas prices go up and people stop buying gum. Then I have to lay off my cashier and pay their unemployment and then my business folds. Americans mad about not buying American would have to go back in a time machine to really be upset about it today.
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The Big 3 did it to themselves. Instead of designing and marketing vehicles that fit were "normal" (lack of better words), they focused their attention on selling vehicles that were way overloaded, ie Denalis, Escalades, Navigators, etc. These vehicles retail for $55K and no wonder they cant sell them! What happened to the vehicles that were not loaded? The ones that dont have navigation systems, XM radio, back up cameras, and all that other jazz? Why is it that you cant go buy a basic work truck anymore? A truck with a manual transmission for Pete's sake!!! Maybe I dont want to spend the extra $4k on the Allison transmission, maybe I want a 6 speed!
Atleast the General had enough sense to build the 73-87s!!!
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One thing I noticed about new pickups, and this was at the chevy, gmc, ford and dodge dealers, is that you cannot get a top-of-the-line regular cab pickup. You must get at least an extended cab to get anything above next to bottom of the line. And ford doesn't even have a regular cab truck anymore, but only a mini extended cab that looks like crap. I can't buy an extended cab truck because it won't fit in the garage, but even beside that point, I don't want an extended cab, I haven't had one yet. The other thing that drives me crazy, is the on-star and satellite radio antennas. Have you seen where GM stuck them on trucks? Behind the windshield on the left side, with no reason to why it's there in that spot. And on a ford ranger, the antenna is right next to the rear of the passenger side front door. Why aren't they centered up like on cars? I thought the first onstart antenna I saw on a truck was stuck there by the dealer for like inventory control or something. It looked to half-done I just knew gm couldn't have done it. Guess i was wrong ;D
(http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/0/y/1/1/09_silv_hybrid_front.jpg)
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Americans mad about not buying American would have to go back in a time machine to really be upset about it today.
I've been upset about this stuff for years! Yup your darn right I pay twice as much for and American product than buy a foreign products. I'm not selfish I don't think of just myself, I love this country, I pay my taxes and don't wine about it because I'm doing my part as an American. I support US businesses. Heck people support US troops why not US businesses too. There to worried about saving two dollars. It's a real joke to see a foreign car going down the road with a support our troops sticker on the back or worse yet a US flag, Yea support our troops but the Heck with the country right!
A great American Sam Walton is turning over in his grave right now. but we won't talk about that.
Flame on!
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sorry but sam walton pumped more money into the chinese economy than he does here. Most products at walmart are made in china.
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Sam Walton started walmart if you can remember his stores carried ONLY PRODUCTS MADE IN USA Was a big lie since the early 80's most all the clothing is made in CHINA that is sold in Walmart!
You are right dumpbucket!
I was wrong Sam Walton wasn't all that great
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=haF1pOaAxNwC&dq=Sam+Walton&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=lRAVNFx0vO&sig=UmkRihX04jg4lVtHbD5Y1B879Ts&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1
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The Big 3 did it to themselves. Instead of designing and marketing vehicles that fit were "normal" (lack of better words), they focused their attention on selling vehicles that were way overloaded, ie Denalis, Escalades, Navigators, etc. These vehicles retail for $55K and no wonder they cant sell them! What happened to the vehicles that were not loaded? The ones that dont have navigation systems, XM radio, back up cameras, and all that other jazz? Why is it that you cant go buy a basic work truck anymore? A truck with a manual transmission for Pete's sake!!! Maybe I dont want to spend the extra $4k on the Allison transmission, maybe I want a 6 speed!
Atleast the General had enough sense to build the 73-87s!!!
yeah exactly how i look at it
all we wanted was a chevy tahoe bare bones and you cant even get that!, thought about getting my mom a restored k5 blazer
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Sam Walton started walmart if you can remember his stores carried ONLY PRODUCTS MADE IN USA Was a big lie since the early 80's most all the clothing is made in CHINA that is sold in Walmart!
You are right dumpbucket!
I was wrong Sam Walton wasn't all that great
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=haF1pOaAxNwC&dq=Sam+Walton&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=lRAVNFx0vO&sig=UmkRihX04jg4lVtHbD5Y1B879Ts&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1
I was gonna say.... lol
WalMart should be an island and people that like it should live on that island and stay there!
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people still don't care dude. of coarse they don't care about simple stuff like economics, look at who runs the country, I mean all politicians in general, down to the sheriff level. Ted kennedy keeps getting elected so that in itself shows how retarded the general public is, of course they'll buy imports.
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I think the UAW should be shut down, They served their purpose in the beginning, but they've outlived they're productiveness. They've switched places with the old companies they were formed to fight.
Check this out where the UAW is screwing FORD over real good. Here's your cheaper cars, but they're not coming thanks to the UAW. This is a ford video, but before too long gm and chrysler would have a version too.
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189 (http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189)
The UAW WON'T allow it here in the US. Whats wrong with that? Employees telling the company what to do? I'd bankrupt my own company to get rid of them and start again. Someone is full of crap to think that under any circumstances, ANY forklift driver is worth 110k a year. The info is out there, but i know this is fact for some of their forklift drivers.
I think they should tax heavily any companies farming labor out to any other country, and also they should tariff all imports to the point of making american stuff competitive, if need be. Remember WWII? We were the industrial envy of the WORLD. and guess what, we didn't import cars, computers, toys, FOOD, etc. We made everything and exported crazy amounts of stuff to the alies. It can get back to that, But people are too lazy and miserly to help the cause of themselves. A phrase comes to mind, not to crap where you eat.... I think it's already over though. All politics and religion aside, Look around at things dude, were screwed.
I am not directing any of this at any one person, but the general public in general.
Priceless....
And I am afraid I will have to take this in a political direction for the sake of the topic... Unions?? How on earth are the ridiculous pensions, pay for doing nothing and the "check card bill" that our leftist government has promised to pass with all the campaign bribes going to help this country??
Since when has a capitalist, free-market society begun to accept that socialism and government intervention in every aspect of our lives is acceptable?? Well, I tell ya... NOW. Here we sit folks, giving more and more of our liberty away to the government and accepting that they "know what's best".
Do you think the government makes better decisions about what's best for you and your family or do YOU make those decisions more appropriately?!!
Honestly, I WANT our new President, Congress and Senate to succeed. I am behind my country and its best interests. But never forget the sacrifices our forefathers have made in the interest of LIBERTY.
Less government = personal choice and accountability. Amen...
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I have five Chevrolet's and each one is a very good. I own a body shop and i see the Honda's and Toyota's come in.When I take these apart you can see that they are built cheaper than American.I tell all the ones that come in my shop that tales about how great there Honda or Toyota's is that I have a 1973 Chevrolet truck that still as the starter and headlights that came with the truck.Do you think you will be able to say that about your foreign car at that age?BUY American
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my 2pence worth (cos I don't use $ lol)
The UK is just the same i'm afraid. I try and steer clear of politics 'cos the top brass (people) look after themselves. I can't think of anything great about Great Britain anymore, we have more immigrants than ever before and now we're having stike action as jobs are being given to european workers rather than a home grown Englishman. They have put a Honda production line on a 4month "holiday" as the economy is so poor and there are hundreds of people each day being made redundant.
Our government is allegedly trying to help our economy with tax cuts etc but the banks won't pass them on to the general public. Food, clothes gas & electric are all rising rapidly but the wages we earn are frozen and we're all worrying about the job situation.
Where is it all going?
rant over
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I don't even know where to start....I have all what should all be american autos...I can't keep track of where they were built at the time....two relatively new pontiac cars (probably built in canada), a ford f-150 (probably built in mexico) and my trusty 84 GMC (assembled in the USA with parts from all over) are currently in my driveway. I love my country and sincerely feel bad for all the auto workers who are out of work right now, I don't believe this whole mess is in any way their fault weather they are part of the UAW or not. I'm sure most don't give a rats ass about union executives and what they do, the vast majority of the workers are there to work, not play politics. The guys and gals on the production lines are the people who make it happen every day. The union however, has shot it's members in the foot with the "labor pool" which is a bunch of people who were displaced by machines...I've heard as many as 30,000 people...who get paid for doing nothing simply because they are part of the union and their job is now done by a robot (evidently part of the union contract). I'm sure this is very expensive for the big 3. I feel that the American auto companies have been grossly mismanaged....who can afford a 50K + hummer or denali or the latest non practical sports car, like cracker said. That's what they were putting their resources into up until about a year ago when nobody would buy that stuff anymore. If I could afford to buy one of these lavish rides, I wouldn't be able to afford gas for it (or insurance for that matter), either way it doesn't matter because I'm not at all interested in any of those types of vehicles and evidently many other Americans feel the same way. I also think our government is partly to blame for sticking their nose where it doesn't belong but that's for another rant. Right now I'm supporting the american auto makers against my will....part of my paycheck goes to them every week in the form of a taxpayer bailout and what do I get for my money? Nothing as far as I can tell besides a bigger tax bill (like we don't already pay enough)....I certainly won't get a new car out of the deal, that's for sure. I guess I really can't imagine the country without GM or ford or dodge. Maybe china or japan will buy them up and maybe then they can make some resonably priced, reliable vehicles (I'm being sarcastic, I really hope this doesn't happen). There was a time when those three companies represented cutting edge technology and they really were the BEST automobiles available. GM still makes the corvette....and according to many automotive experts it's an american supercar....will keep up with ferraris and porches and lots of other high end cars for much less money. Why can't they do that with every vehicle that they build? My opinion is the American autos are mediocre and over priced these days - again no fault of the workers...they just build what they are told to build. None of them have kept up with the times until they had to react to an economy where people aren't willing to spend as much on a car or truck and expect them to be fuel efficient and reliable. A couple guys at work have new tundras....380 horsepower and with a light foot they can get 20 real world mpg out of a 4 wheel drive extended cab full size truck....the big 3 don't have anything that really compares and that's why they are where they are. I won't even get into the differences in cars.
I'm really disappointed that american greed and corporate jets and golden parachutes took the place of american work ethic and ingenuity. It's a sad time here in the good ol' USA. - end of rant
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I agree with a lot of what you guys say, and I know a lot of you guys don't like the UAW, and our wages/benefit packages, but you should realize what the foreign auto companies pay their workers isn't much different. Take a minute to read the link I added at the end of this post. Also,since 2000 the GM employee stats are as follows-
Yr.2000 U.S.salaried employees-@44,000. U.S.hourly employees-@133,000
Yr.2008 U.S.salaried employees-@29,500 U.S. hourly employees-@63,700
As you can see, GM has cut it's entire U.S. work force drastically in order to restructure and contain costs. I hope your company hasn't had to eliminate over 50% of its employees. The wages of U.S. GM workers are @ 9% of the total cost of the vehicle, which is not out of line with the cost of any other industry and it's product. We will soon ( next few weeks )take another pay cut to help reduce costs even further.
One thing, maybe the most important aspect of our wage- is that we have negotiated a cost of living allowance as part of our auto worker contract. As the cost of living increases, our hourly rate keeps in step with it. Without a cost of living increase your wage will buy less next year just because the cost of living goes up. It's not a raise for doing nothing. It's just keeping in step with the rise in the cost of everything else. I hope you have a cost of living allowance in your wage.
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Item/28594/uaw_losing_pay_edge_foreign_automakers_bonuses_boost_wages_in_us_plants_as_detroit_car_companies_struggle.aspx (http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Item/28594/uaw_losing_pay_edge_foreign_automakers_bonuses_boost_wages_in_us_plants_as_detroit_car_companies_struggle.aspx)
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To improve America, people must individually see what he/she can do. That means, even offending some reading this, buying American autos. But you say, "well, jap cars are made in TN, AL..." That is not what I mean, where does the profit go? Or you may say, "50% of American car parts are made overseas". I don't care, by buying any of Detroit's big 3 keeps jobs here and decreases our borrowed tax money (that our children will have to pay) from being wasted. Buy American!
I grew up in the 70's. I remember when Datsun became popular. People were mad at neighbors for buying Jap cars. Remember, WW2 was only one generation removed. Remember Pearl Harbor?
I have never bought a foreign car. I never will. We have just fine products here in our country.
As a kid I remember us kids playing in the neighborhood. We'd all take sides on what kind of vehicles we like, usually based upond what our parents had. Pontiac, Chevy, Ford, Dodge. There were no Nissans, Toyotas, Lexus in the picture. The title of this thread, "Are there any People that care in this country anymore?" is fitting. The answer is no. People are too individualistic. They care only about their bottom dollar (or impression thereof)--not caring about their children and grandchildren having to suffer the consequences.
America used to be the envy of the World. But, because we have more money going to other countries now, they are becoming rich and we are decreasing our own standard of living, because of foreign TV's and foreign cars, and foreign clothes---all our money that we made in the 50-, 60's, 70's have gone to other countries because of the present-day's individualism. Not caring about the future of our country, but, caring what is in our driveway now--at the present.
I am guilty of it as well, I can't find an American TV. Where are the Zeniths? Was that American? I don't even know. But, I draw the line on vehicles. For every foreign car bought in America, another American loses his/her job. That is motivation enough for me to keep my money right here in America.
And yes, I buy Levi's. Where are they made now? In Mexico. The cost of salaries down there is so much cheaper. Why did this happen? Because there is no Tariffs on imports. No tariffs on imports. Do you know what that means? Our standard of living will decrease to that of Mexicans and Chinese and Taiwan. Our standard of living is history now, thanks to cheaper products coming in made by sweat shops and juveniles....but, hey that is capitalism right? Bring back Tariffs on imports. It will cause WW3, but so what, we currently have the best military around. Tomorrow we won't. Do it now!! We can't do it tomorrow.
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Of coarse people don't care. IIRC about 34% of all americans vote every 4 years for a president. 34%, that means the minority controls this country no matter who gets voted in...If it is 34% and say the election was almost tied, that would mean 17% of the people run things, over the other83% of which 66% of the total don't care enough to even speak up. If it's split 3 or 4 ways, it would mean way less than 17% RUN THINGS WITH THE VOTE. Assuming the US pop. is 360,000,000 and my math is correct, this means out of 360M people, 237.6M people didn't do crap. This country is turning to nothing but whiners who won't even vote but they'll sure complain all the time. Here's what the 20% or so have decided for the rest of us:
OBAMA'S THREE WEEK REPORT CARD
It is hard to imagine that one man could do so much in so little time, but here goes . . .are ya ready for this? It's only been three weeks:
1) Admits to having family members who are muslim, something he avoided like the plague during the election. Gee, wonder why?
2) Ordered Guantanamo closed.
3) Ordered all military tribunals to STOP.
4) DISMISSED charges against the mastermind of the USS Cole attack, which killed 17 American Sailors.
5) Moved the Census Bureau out of the Commerce Dept and INTO the White House. This is HUGE.
6) Signed an executive order repealing a prior ban on YOU paying for abortions abroad.
7) Negotiating with Russia to reduce our nuclear arsenal. You know, ours...the one that has caused so many accidents and deaths?
8) Allowed Tim Geithner to be confirmed as Treasury Secretary, even though he clearly is a tax cheat.
9) Had several other nominees withdraw their names due to TAX PROBLEMS.
10) Promised to hire no lobbyists, then hired a couple.
11) Hires G.E.'s CEO to his economic advisory board . . . is this even legal? I know it is unethical, but somebody needs to go to prison over THIS--GE stock! Somebody bet me $1000 that GE stock doesn't DOUBLE in the next 12 months. This is candy from a baby. Buy GE stock. They are in bed with Barack!!!
12) Nixed a coal plant that was planned for North Dakota.
13) Apologized---APOLOGIZED---for DEA busts in California. He promised in his campaign to lighten up on illegal grow operations, as he thinks it is a waste of resources. What does he propose? Having these DEA agents build roads? It's hard to tell your kids that illegal drugs are bad when the President APOLOGIZES for busting the people who are responsible for growing/manufacturing them.
14) Helped push through the largest spending bill in US History, even as he criticizes the Bush Administration for "getting us in this mess" by running up a deficit. Makes perfect sense. When you can't pay your bills, you always go out and spend MORE, don't you???
15) Promotes unions and "card check" legislation which will only cost us millions and millions of more jobs.
One more I had to add, Obama has shuned the medal of honor recipients. The annual ball held to honor the medal of honor recipeints was skipped by obama, in war-time, being the first president to miss it since it's inception. hey man, the president doesn't give a crap, so why should I, right?? not me, but apparently the vast majority thinks this way, at least 237M out of 360M people.
THREE WEEKS. It's only been THREE weeks. We have FOUR YEARS of this to come.
I stated my thoughts on imports, and never buying even a used import. buying a used import is no better than buying a new import simply because, if the market for used imports isn't there people wont buy nearly as many new ones because they won't hold their value well enough to be a good buy anymore. I check the boxes of the stuff i buy and if i can posssibly get US made, I do. people say you can always get import stuff cheaper than US made stuff, not so, check out some of the store brands at the grocery stores, a lot of the time it's US made and way cheaper than the brand name stuff.
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Of coarse people don't care. IIRC about 34% of all americans vote every 4 years for a president. 34%, that means the minority controls this country no matter who gets voted in...If it is 34% and say the election was almost tied, that would mean 17% of the people run things, over the other83% of which 66% of the total don't care enough to even speak up. If it's split 3 or 4 ways, it would mean way less than 17% RUN THINGS WITH THE VOTE. Assuming the US pop. is 360,000,000 and my math is correct, this means out of 360M people, 237.6M people didn't do crap. This country is turning to nothing but whiners who won't even vote but they'll sure complain all the time. Here's what the 20% or so have decided for the rest of us:
OBAMA'S THREE WEEK REPORT CARD
It is hard to imagine that one man could do so much in so little time, but here goes . . .are ya ready for this? It's only been three weeks:
1) Admits to having family members who are muslim, something he avoided like the plague during the election. Gee, wonder why?
2) Ordered Guantanamo closed.
3) Ordered all military tribunals to STOP.
4) DISMISSED charges against the mastermind of the USS Cole attack, which killed 17 American Sailors.
5) Moved the Census Bureau out of the Commerce Dept and INTO the White House. This is HUGE.
6) Signed an executive order repealing a prior ban on YOU paying for abortions abroad.
7) Negotiating with Russia to reduce our nuclear arsenal. You know, ours...the one that has caused so many accidents and deaths?
8) Allowed Tim Geithner to be confirmed as Treasury Secretary, even though he clearly is a tax cheat.
9) Had several other nominees withdraw their names due to TAX PROBLEMS.
10) Promised to hire no lobbyists, then hired a couple.
11) Hires G.E.'s CEO to his economic advisory board . . . is this even legal? I know it is unethical, but somebody needs to go to prison over THIS--GE stock! Somebody bet me $1000 that GE stock doesn't DOUBLE in the next 12 months. This is candy from a baby. Buy GE stock. They are in bed with Barack!!!
12) Nixed a coal plant that was planned for North Dakota.
13) Apologized---APOLOGIZED---for DEA busts in California. He promised in his campaign to lighten up on illegal grow operations, as he thinks it is a waste of resources. What does he propose? Having these DEA agents build roads? It's hard to tell your kids that illegal drugs are bad when the President APOLOGIZES for busting the people who are responsible for growing/manufacturing them.
14) Helped push through the largest spending bill in US History, even as he criticizes the Bush Administration for "getting us in this mess" by running up a deficit. Makes perfect sense. When you can't pay your bills, you always go out and spend MORE, don't you???
15) Promotes unions and "card check" legislation which will only cost us millions and millions of more jobs.
One more I had to add, Obama has shuned the medal of honor recipients. The annual ball held to honor the medal of honor recipeints was skipped by obama, in war-time, being the first president to miss it since it's inception. hey man, the president doesn't give a crap, so why should I, right?? not me, but apparently the vast majority thinks this way, at least 237M out of 360M people.
THREE WEEKS. It's only been THREE weeks. We have FOUR YEARS of this to come.
I stated my thoughts on imports, and never buying even a used import. buying a used import is no better than buying a new import simply because, if the market for used imports isn't there people wont buy nearly as many new ones because they won't hold their value well enough to be a good buy anymore. I check the boxes of the stuff i buy and if i can posssibly get US made, I do. people say you can always get import stuff cheaper than US made stuff, not so, check out some of the store brands at the grocery stores, a lot of the time it's US made and way cheaper than the brand name stuff.
You forgot a couple.
Is thinking of repealing the ban on photoing our Brave Soldiers/Sailors coffins
Has ordered all Americans to conserve energy by turning down their thermostats but the White House is set to a Balmy 78 degree's
Ready to talk with Iran (which I still dont understand isnt all "Glass" yet)
Thrown his VP Biden under a bus .
This country is in serious trouble I dont think it would matter if McCain got elected.
We need a serious third party. I hate to say this but we all need to come together like we did on 9/11 in order to right our ship.
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You would have thought the GOP could have found somebody a little more "presidential" than Sen. McCain to run against Obama..Not that I take anything away from his heroism and service in the military and senate-but he just didn't have much chance to be president. The Liberals ran over him and we're in a mess for a long haul. It was a well known fact that Obama had the most liberal voting record in the senate. We are now very close to being a socialist country.
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I think many people don't vote because all the candidates always suck. Everybodys tired of voting for the lesser of 2 or 3 evils.... The first thing to do toward making things better is getting rid of all the current partys in general which won't happen. George washington warned about forming political parties for this very reason and what happened? before george washingtons time was up john adams and thomas jefferson had already formed opposing political parties. Candidates suck because there's always only 2 candidates. there are other parties besides rep and dem but lets get real, none of them will win. I'd also love it if somehow lobbying was made illegal, punishable by death. The big issues themselves should be put to the vote by the people. Why should we only get to vote on which idiot is going to screw us. The iraq war... put it to a vote , gay marriage, abortion, foreign aid, RAISES FOR SENATORS, etc, capitol punishment, immigration, zero tolerance laws, etc put it to a vote on a ballot for every us citizen. <- if this is not done, you will just have to do what the lobbyists want you to do, like you do now.
I'm liking this, it may not make a difference, but I hope it goes all the way in at least 38 states.... ;D
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