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General Site Info => General Discussion => Topic started by: 78 Chevyrado on April 10, 2009, 11:08:45 pm
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What do you guys have for small revolvers to use for CC. I'm mostly a rifle or shotgun guy and while I have used many handguns, I've never even looked at buying one for some reason. what are your opinions on a good one for CC self defense? I have relatively big hands as I'm 6'2". Recently quite a few people I know Have had situiations occur where the fact they had their gun on them saved their rears. As well as my daughters step-dad just got shot up bad by 4 bullets (2 in one arm and 2 in abdomen) from gang members this last tuesday.
I'm just ready to get my CC permit (though it's bs I should need one) and be safe. I'm not asking if you think guns are ok or should I even have one.. I'm ready to get one and want opinions to what is the best compact defense gun to carry regularly. I do know I want at least a .38 or .357 magnum, so no 22s, and likely a revolver for ease of maintenence and reliability. though a semi-auto is not totally out of the question. and I'd like to get one used just because the new ones are crazy expensive and I don't want to cheap out at all on this item.
Thanks guys,
Kenny
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My mom likes to go for walks and didn't want to carry the snub nose nickel plated 38 so we got her this. http://www.gunblast.com/SW_342PD.htm
Amazing little gun, the hidden hammer is great, doesn't catch on anything when you pull it out, and so amazingly light.
-Josh
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I like a semi auto Like my 1911 or M9
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I have a Springfield 1911
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I am currently waiting for Utah to send me back my permit so I haven't carried yet but when I do it will be my 1911. Alot of people think i'm nuts when I tell them that is what I am going to carry but it all depends really on holster. Buy a good holster and you shouldn't have problems, don't cheap out when it comes to buying a holster. I bought a Blackhawk Serpa which so far I like, I am thinking about getting a Galco leather though to be able to wear it on the small of my back. One thing that is kind of a pain, literally, is the beavertail on my 1911, wearing it around the house its jabbed me a couple of times and it ain't nice, i have been thinking about getting a new grip safety for it.
Sutton
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i know in the department were issued s&w .38 cheap, reliable and easy to clean but I'm thinking more of like a .40 for personal protection. and i don't know i really don't like the feeling of only having six rnds in a weapon when someone else has 10 or more. granted it only takes one but you ever tried to shoot with your Adrenalin pumping its a whole lot diffrent than just shooting at a paper target
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I have a Smith & Wesson .357 magnum, highway patrol addition. I like the way it feels. I also have big hands and it has wooden grips made to fit large hands. The thing I like about it is I can practice using .38s which is alot cheaper then the .357 magnum shells. That way I can get more practice time in for less money. I understand the 6 shot to 10 shot ratio, but I figure if no one has hit the other after 6, its time to stop shooting and just duke it out.
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Just get a 44 so you can ask them if they are "feeling lucky" :p
-Josh
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Hi, I'm new here but have been reading posts for awhile now. Thought I would chime in on this.
I have had my CC for a year now and carry a S&W Segma 9mm. It holds 16+1 when fully loaded. That is alot of lead that I carry. I wear it in the small of my back and it can get uncomfortable when you sit down. I don't know about your area, but 9mm amo is hard to find. I can get 40 cal. all day long and I wish I had bought that instead. When I took my CC class, the instructor suggested we go with a 40 cal because the bullit travels at a slower fps. He told us the 9mm you have to watch because it will go thru and you need to watch for the innocent people behind the criminal. I do have hollow points that flatten out to help stop it.
I wouldn't be afraid to carry a 22 semi auto. Just use the stinger amo and you will be fine. They tell me a 22 bullit ricochets like a pin ball machine. It tears everything up inside. I have a friend that has a 380 auto and a 22. He carries the 22 most of the time.
This has got to be my favorite web site, TRUCKS+GUNS= :) my favorite things...
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GLOCK
Hands down, the best of the best.
I've carried a Glock for 16 years now, since my department went with them. I used to carry a S&W model 65 357 magnum/.38 special. Which I still have, but, I love my Glocks.
At work I carry a .40 caliber model 23---13 in mag, 1 chambered.
I used to carry around my model 17-9mm, which i could put 17 in the mag (if I recall correctly). I've had that in my closet for a while now.
I have big hands as well. On these Glocks, you can buy a grip extension--which i never really needed. I still qualify at the office with a 99.6 to 99.8 average year in and year out.
Those puppies are awesome.
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I still qualify at the office
Geez Andy- you shoot up the office?! I'll bet that's a wild day..
lol :D
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Thanks for the replys guys! It helps a lot. I've been hearing a lot about those 1911's, Any preferences on brands?
SgtDel, Thanks, I've been trying to remember that brandname, glock. My uncles has a couple of them and I have fired them before and they are a really nice weapon. I looked at the glock site and that model 23 sounds really good, and the price for new is more in my range too!
Keep the help comin guys. I'm not in a hurry, I want to know my stuff as well as possible. I'll go to some guns shops and check these things out, but I want an opinions from guys who aren't selling guns if ya know what I mean.
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Yeah, Don, those guys at the office don't want to get me mad ;D
The model 23 Glock (.40 cal) is a little smaller than the model 17 Glock (9mm). That's why the 23 mags oly hold 13 rounds, whereas the 17 can hold 17--it is a little larger in the grip--but no matter we all carry three mags including the one in the gun. We use the 23, as does many Federal agencies including the FBI.
The model 26 is smaller still and better for concealment-- a lot of us carry those while off duty. And, of course, the 23 is better at concealment than the 17.
Pros and cons for whatever model you're looking at. There are some really good deals nowadays with used Glocks, since people are loosing their jobs left and right and need to liquidate assets and such. If you buy a used gun from a private person, always remember to keep a letter of sale and get it notarized at a bank with seller and buyer's signatures just in case that gun was involved in a crime or something in the past--you want it documented when you bought the gun.
The Glock 23 animated.... http://www.genitron.com/Glock23/IntGlock.html (http://www.genitron.com/Glock23/IntGlock.html)
Glock 23 (http://www.delbridge.net/glock23.jpg)
Downloadable Buyer's Guide.... http://www.glock.com/english/index_download.htm (http://www.glock.com/english/index_download.htm)
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check out this site to help chose a gun (http://www.genitron.com/) www.genitron.com
Pretty cool site.
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i carry a taurus 9mm. not the biggest but it has a 18 round clip. just the usual maintance of cleaning and have never had a problem of it jamming. most the time just pulling it out will do the trick. when your looking down the barrel a 9mm or any pistol for that fact looks like a 50 cal.
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That glock animation was too cool. Thanks for the help, I have a bunch to read about now ;D
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If you have any questions 'bout the Glock, just let me know. I have three of them, 2 9mm (17)[I almost forgot I bought my service weapon back from the Sheriff's Office when we went to the 23--and I already had another] and 1 .40 cal (23)
They are a cinch to clean. Push down on the release tab and the slide comes off and only a spring holds the barrel in place---remove the spirng and plastic rod and the barrel comes off by removing the tension.
In two seconds you can have it down to three pieces for cleaning. It goes back even simpler.
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Andy, What holster do you use for conceal carry? I have a Glock 30 that I have a hip holster for, but I HATE wearing a belt.
I also have a Keltec P-3AT (.380) that I have on my person in a hip holster whenever I am out. Although I really like the Ruger LCP, Toolmaster has one of these.
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you have a subcompact--never had one that small, never had a .45 either for that matter, with my big hands I would have difficulty holding that glock, but, I use a belt holster, Uncle Mike's black canvas while off duty. Our Sheriff doesn't allow us to carry ankle holsters or an interior type holster while off duty. It makes it kind of difficult during the summer months when i don't wear a big shirt or jacket for concealment. But, I keep her close by regardless. ;)
You could try an inside-the-waistband type holster--they have a clip to clip around the waistband without the need for a belt, but, i've never tried that kind.
I have a little Davis .380 with a 5 round mag. also. That thing is extremely small and hurts my hand when firing it at the range.
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Wearing a belt isn't too bad if you get one to go all the way around...
;D
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Hey Chris, look for a holster called Fobus its a paddle type holster. I use them you don't have to wear a belt it hooks over your waistband I also use it for carrying hand cuffs. You can put in the back and don't feel uncomfortable.
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JR, that is what I have currently, but I need a belt, or I feel a belt would make it more secure. . I Guess I need new jeans :D
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If it's your first CC gun, I would personally stay away from a Glock and a 1911.
I suggest you first get a small revolver like was suggested above-- one of the S&W snubby Chief Special .38s would be a great choice. You can get them new around here for $300 - $350. Much less used. It can be concealed very easily. It is light and can be carried all day with no troubles. If you get one with no hammer, you never have to give any thought to your hammer getting hung on something which makes the fact that you are carrying it disappear.
Here's 5 reasons to get that particular gun to start.
1.) Don't waste a bunch of money on a gun that you aren't sure you will carry. If you don't enjoy carrying the firearm, it's pointless. I guarantee you that most of the people who REALLY carry a gun all the time have gone through A LOT of guns before they found one that was actually comfortable AND concealable. Many of these people started with a big 1911 or Glock and ended up with something small that was suited to the purpose.
2.) Your first CC pistol shouldn't be complicated. You cannot get less complicated than, "Pull the trigger, the gun goes BOOM". If you are in a situation where you MUST use that firearm to defend your or your family's lives -- you don't want to have to think further than, "Pull the trigger, the gun goes BOOM". What happens when that extra couple of seconds it takes you think is a couple of seconds more than you have?
3.) Take out the "cool" factor. At 3 to 7 yards, most any gun you see will have the same lethality, so don't let anyone talk you into a bigger caliber gun. No one but you will know you have this gun, so it's pointless to get something that looks cool. It's been my experience that the cooler something looks, the bigger of a hassle it is -- the bigger the hassle, the less you will carry it (which is the whole point, right?). Any true concealed carry firearm you get will get destroyed from everyday use. Have you ever seen a nice looking police duty firearm?
4.) You will undoubtedly want another gun. If you get the $1200 Kimber 1911 first, you will put off getting another gun even though that 1911 may be miserable to try to tote around concealed. Start small rather than starting big and having to buy down.
5.) You can always use the 38 as a reason to get your wife involved. I bet most of the guys here have bought guns for their wifes. "Honey, I got this little gun for you -- I was thinking about you -- I wanted you to be safe" Then you walk out of the room and get yourself a new gun!
Although it's a little bigger than the S&W Chief's Special -- you might consider something like The Tarus JUDGE. Watch this: http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm If I were getting a new CCW gun, this is what I'd get.
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A 410 shell in a pistol? wow!
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Ooh, I like that. I hadn't seen the Judge before and it shoots 45 Long Colts, Oh Toolmaster!
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Yeah, that thing is REALLY sweet! I've got a buddy who swears by this thing and has hung up many expensive pistols stating none of them compare. He just got a holster that holds it TIGHT against the body so it doesn't print, at all. There are a lot of other cool accessories for it with more coming out as it's popularity goes up! You can get the gun for under $450...that's a decent price...I want one!
There's a picture on this review site http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm of a Judge beside a S&W Chief's Special -- it's really not much larger!
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That judge is a wicked handgun :o. Thanks for the info goatbeard. I'll take all the help I can get ;D
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That judge seems pretty cool--i like it. I can see a forensic investigator reviewing a crime scene now---that's a shot gun shell, but, that is a pistol, hmmmm.
I'd like to get the judge.
I have issues with the statement that glocks cannot be concealed as easily--there are subcompact models that are slimmer and easier to conceal than revolvers
Your first CC pistol shouldn't be complicated. You cannot get less complicated than, "Pull the trigger, the gun goes BOOM". If you are in a situation where you MUST use that firearm to defend your or your family's lives -- you don't want to have to think further than, "Pull the trigger, the gun goes BOOM".
Glocks are as simple as they get. Put a mag in, rack it and you are set. No safety to spend a couple of seconds to take off, no cocking like single action revolvers---just, as you say, "pull the trigger, the gun goes boom". That describes a Glock. Just ask Plaxico Burress--dropping the glock in his sweatpants and trying to grab it in his pants leg--BOOM!. Plaxico would say the gun goes off quite easily without thinking. In fact, pull it many, many times and the gun goes Boom continuously for up to 17 times or more. They are extremely durable, which is why my department was one of the first in the nation in the early '90's to adopt the glock. We are on the 2nd edition advertising poster of Glock, a copy of which hangs in my office today.
Besides, if you buy a Glock, then decide, for some strange reason, you don't like it, you can sell it and it will retain most of its value--they are quite popular for a reason.
Don't get me wrong, i still like my model 65 S&W .38 Special/ .357 magnum with 4" barrel--she shoots so smoothly and i like freaking people out at the range..I put three .38 Spcl in it and 3 .357 magnums...shooting the .38's first, it goes, boom, boom, boom then it goes POW, POW, POW louder than a canon. The expression on the faces of people is priceless.
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I'm not here to debate the Glock. In my opinion you pointed out exactly why it's not the best choice when trying to decide on your first concealed weapon.
No safety to spend a couple of seconds to take off...
Smoking used to be popular, too. ;)
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If you can't handle the tool, perhaps the Glock isn't the right tool, huh? Then again, no weapon should be carried if one can't respect it. If trained properly the Glock is the perfect, reliable weapon. And, if you aren't trained correctly, don't carry one at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1We3NHd-lwE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1We3NHd-lwE&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBzm50GlptQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBzm50GlptQ)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DcVRthVyRw
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I like my Taurus PT 1911 or one of my others kinka hard to carry a S&W 500 ;D However I've heard alot of great things about the new S&W 327 caliber revolver. Here are some of mine.
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Nice lookin weapons uno.
Threads getting good, keep em comin everybody! ;D
sgtdel: I was wondering about the lack of a positive safety on the glocks just because, while I haven't yet fired a gun by accident, stuff can and probably will happen eventually and I'd rather it not happen in public. don't get me wrong I respect firearms and I'm not careless and pay close attention even if I don't have one and other people have them. How does the glock trigger work in your hands? what I mean is does the way the triggers set up mean there's detents or its a bit harder to squeeze or just different than other guns?
Goatbeard: I think I want that judge for at home, I'm in love with that thing!
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sgtdel: I was wondering about the lack of a positive safety on the glocks just because, while I haven't yet fired a gun by accident, stuff can and probably will happen eventually and I'd rather it not happen in public.
From the website:
GLOCK ADVANTAGE
TRIGGER SYSTEM
The “Safe Action” system is a partly tensioned firing pin lock, which is moved further back by the trigger bar when the trigger is pulled.
When the trigger is pulled, 3 safety features are automatically deactivated one after another. When doing so, the trigger bar is deflected downward by the connector and the firing pin is released under full load. When the trigger is released, all three safety features re-engage and the GLOCK pistol is automatically secured again.
TRIGGER SAFETY
As the first of the three GLOCK “Safe Action” safety features, the trigger safety prevents inadvertent firing by lateral forces on the trigger. Releasing the trigger will automatically reactivate the safety.
FIRING PIN SAFETY
The GLOCK firing pin safety is a solid hardened steel pin which, in the secured state, blocks the firing pin channel, rendering the igniting of a chambered cartridge by the firing pin impossible. The firing pin safety is only pushed upward to release the firing pin for firing when the trigger is pulled and the safety is pushed up through the backward movement of the trigger bar. Releasing the trigger will automatically reactivate the firing pin safety.
DROP SAFETY
In the line of duty it may happen that a loaded pistol is dropped on the floor. Contrary to conventional pistols, the GLOCK drop safety prevents unintentional firing of a shot through hard impact. When the trigger is pulled, the trigger bar is guided in a precision safety ramp. The trigger bar is deflected from this ramp only in the moment the shot is triggered.
PSYCHOLOGY
Every use of a firearm exposes users to tremendous psychological strain. Learned patterns are easily forgotten in such borderline situations and complex operating elements become a deadly trap. GLOCK offers the best solution to this problem: “Safe Action“!
One operating element - one rule. Finger away from the trigger, three pistol safeties are active. Pull the trigger, the safeties are deactivated and the pistol is fired. Consequently the user can fully concentrate on his tactical tasks in the decisive moment
I can tell you from experience, out of a force of over 300 sworn members in my dept. there has only been one accidental discharge in 15 years and that wasn't due to the safety feature---that was due to someone taking the magazine out and thinking the gun was unloaded, forgetting about the chambered round---BOOM! And the guy was older than dirt and has since retired.
And, this Plaxico Burress thing--he had no business carrying a weapon without a holster in his waistband--things like that and you're asking for trouble. Keep the thing in a holster! If it slips and you reach for it, you aren't gonna hit the trigger when it's holstered!
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Goat, I have seen that video before, everything I have seen about it was staged with a blank as he wouldn't be walking around like that if he shot himself.
The Glocks safety has a center pivot or double pull that allows the gun to shoot. There is no external safety on a Glock. If you ever seen a Sigma, it is basically the same thing.
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here's a good site about holsters and such...
http://glockstore.com/ (http://glockstore.com/)
I've seen that video before as well...the guy doesn't know what he's talking about...."This is a Glock 40...50 cent, 2short, I am the only one professional enough to carry a Glock 40...."
LOL
THERE IS NO GLOCK 40! There are Glock 22, 23, 27 and 35 that shoot S&W .40 cal, but there is no Glock 40.
I love it..."Brian, bring that other gun out...." The audience is like no way. That's funny right there. He probably bought that police shirt from ebay. Any law enforcement officer knows that as soon as there is an accidental discharge by an officer, you are to call local law enforcement communications ASAP for a report--especially since it was in an occupied dwelling--they wouldn't bring out another gun just to do it again.
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Thanks sgtdel. that cleared up a lot. I didn't come across that on thier site for some reason...lol I like the sound of that because having to turn off a manual safety could be a PITA at the wrong time, but it sounds like a neat setup to me.
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Goat, I have seen that video before, everything I have seen about it was staged with a blank as he wouldn't be walking around like that if he shot himself.
The Glocks safety has a center pivot or double pull that allows the gun to shoot. There is no external safety on a Glock. If you ever seen a Sigma, it is basically the same thing.
There is a pic of my S&W Sigma up a few posts its the 4th pic down. A ton of Law Enforcement Agencies use the Glock platform they wouldnt use them is them they were not a good platform.
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I like the sound of that because having to turn off a manual safety could be a PITA at the wrong time, but it sounds like a neat setup to me.
Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it if I didn't LOVE all my Glocks, and I have shot a lot of brands. It becomes second nature after a while that you keep your trigger finger away from the trigger until you have a bead on your target. I keep my index finger straight, pointed down the barrel and gently slide it into place when time comes. I draw it out of the holster the same way, w/ index finger straight, and other three fingers around the grip. I must be doing something right because I shoot between 99.2 and 99.8 averages each year at annual qualifications. Most of my targets have the entire middle shot out of it and therefore the range instructors hate that because they cannot score how many bullets hit it--many 100%. Then we shoot weak hand at the 25 yd line and that is usually when a couple of bullets move out of the center hole, and the instructors, even though the center is blown out, see those couple of holes a little further out and have to penalize me--usually 97 or 98 on that course which lowers my 100% from other courses down to 99.xx. I hate that weak hand crap from the 25 yd line. :-\ I always joke that when i get to the weak hand shooting, i should shoot up in the air because the center is already blown away and they would never know--but i am too honest.
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you could shoot someone else's target hahahaha
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Here are a few of mine ! I have more ! S&W's Ruger's...................
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Hey Toolmaster, is that a 1873 Colt .45 cal. Peacemaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Action_Army), third pic down? 6" barrel? That thing is cool, all of your guns there are awesome beauties.
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I don't do much handgunning. Do alot of hunting though and spend a lot of time in the woods. When I carry a handgun I take a 380 browning. Don't have to worry much about crime in northern NH except for the coyotes trespassing in our deer hunting grounds.
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Hey Toolmaster, is that a 1873 Colt .45 cal. Peacemaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Action_Army), third pic down? 6" barrel? That thing is cool, all of your guns there are awesome beauties.
It is a Colt 1873 Peacemaker ! Just not a 45 cal. It is chambered for 22mag and 22LR. I have many more, Just dont have photo's of them all.
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I thought my eyes were good!
Nice! And made for cheap ammo, dude, I'd be shootin' that thing all day every day. I have a bolt action rifle and a lever action rifle that shoot .22 LR and that ammo is sooooo cheap, I love shootin' those things and honing my skills.
I have a Marlin model 1893 (http://www.delbridge.net/marlin) .30-.30 lever action that shoots so smoothly, but, the ammo ain't cheap.
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However I've heard alot of great things about the new S&W 327 caliber revolver.
X2. They also make a Ruger SP101 in the new .327 now if I'm not mistaken. While I love all of my Smithys, Ruger revolvers are very good too and are a little less expensive than S&Ws. I don't have anything in .327 (yet) but when I do carry, it's either my Walther-clone 9x18mm or my Smithy .38 Model 10, 3" barrel. While I adore the 1911 (I have 3 in different calibers), it's quite a large gun to carry, and you generally have to carry it cocked and locked by the safety. For you, I would go with a DA revolver for accuracy, reliability and easy maintenance. A lot of people carry hi-cap autos, which is fine, but for CC I tend to think smaller and lighter is better. Just my $.02
BTW, nice lineup Toolmaster!