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General Site Info => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lt.Del on July 23, 2009, 10:34:08 pm
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ok, i believe our type of truck will see a major decrease in numbers within the next few months. They qualify for the less than 18mpg and the 84 or newer meets the 25 years old or less requirement. If you trade one of these in you can get $4,500 credit off the lowest price a dealer will sell you a new car that gets better mpg. My wife is thinking of letting her 96 Gran Jeep Cherokee V8 4x4 with 120,000 miles on it go. I think she's crazy, because it runs great and there is no car payment. But, she wants a new car.
Obama is trying to get these old gas guzzlers off the road. The dealerships can't even resell these things, they have to be destroyed so less gas is used in the future.
One thing is furshure. My 91 V2500 4x4 sub is staying right here in my driveway.
see www.cars.gov
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Said it before, will say it again. Our simpletone politicians we elected into office have totally missed the boat on this one!
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They just want everybody to jump right out there into more debt. $4500.00 from an already over priced vehicle is still over priced!!
My theory; "If it's not broke, don't fix it!!!"
Gas guzzler w/ NO payment.......or.......Gas miser with BIG payment.
Guzzler= easier to work on, aftermarket parts not to hard to find, repair yourself :)
Miser= can't find motor underhood, can't find aftermarket parts, good luck trying to repair yourself :(
Buy the way, where is the $4500.00 coming from? Government=higher TAXES!!! >:( >:( >:(
I'll keep my clunker... ;)
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Oh, I agree with the fact that no car payment, no matter the mpg, is the way to go. Here is what I said
I think she's crazy, because it runs great and there is no car payment. But, she wants a new car.
But, if the wife wants a new car, the wife gets a new car. And since I pay taxes, I might as well benefit from my own tax money (for a change). Better us getting that credit than someone who has 16 kids and no job and smooching off my tax money.
So, a new car it is. Just what type and whether to trade in our 96 Grand Cherokee or sell it out right. It has 120k miles, so, I may not get $4500 out right. Chrysler is doubling the incentive, which means $9k off. And all will agree, now is the time to get a new car with Detroit struggling.
So, in about 4 years we wont have a payment and have a nice vehicle versus having our 96 being 4 years older and may be in need of drastic repairs. For some reason, I am beginning to agree with her. But, my sub still stays with me.
It's a shame they cannot resell these "clunkers" because that Jeep is very nice with leather, V8, electric seat adjustments, runs smooth, oil change every 4k miles, brand new tires. To the crusher she goes.
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Chrysler is doubling the incentive, which means $9k off. And all will agree, now is the time to get a new car with Detroit struggling.
So, in about 4 years we wont have a payment and have a nice vehicle versus having our 96 being 4 years older and may be in need of drastic repairs. For some reason, I am beginning to agree with her. But, my sub still stays with me.
It's a tough call. My wife has an '02 PT Cruiser with low miles that I was thinking of trading in because it will also need some work in the future. The local Dodge dealer was trying to get me into a 2009 Ram 1500 quad cab, v-8, auto, 4x4, moderate options list, and the lifetime powertrain warranty for $18,500 after trade. It's almost hard to say no, and if I could have applied the $4,500 "clunker" rebate on top of that (her car doesn't qualify for anything at 26 mpg) I'd be driving a new Ram right now. But we're looking at picking up a foreclosed property to better out living situation, so I'm trying to keep my debt-load low for now.
I'd say "go for it" if you can get a good deal. The best part is, you're in the driver's seat when it comes to haggling as certain cars and most trucks are just not selling and trade-ins are getting almost unheard-of values from the dealer. The salesman quoted me above NADA for "moderate condition trade-in" without even seeing the car, and said it would likely be higher if the condition matched my over-the-phone description, somewhere in the "moderate condition for private sale" range.
And think about the 3-4 years from now when that Jeep may need to come off the road for good and you need a new or used car, and prices have gone up another $5k if this economy recovers.
Just some thoughts.
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I waited around until the dealerships around here got off their high horse and started making me want to get a new ride for my wife. Let me cut into their pockets for a change, they make enough money off each car as ti is.
I traded my 01 Silverado (owed $3K), they gave me $10, 200.00 for it and I walked away with a new Dodge Grand Caravan SXT-fully loaded for $14,500 total cost to me. We are very happy with it, room for the rug rats and real comfy and decent MPG for a van (19 city/26 HWY).
Now is really the time to buy, but you wont see my 81 on a lot anytime soon!
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there are some rules, so I don't think it is going to hurt us that much.
1 Year Proof of Insurance. If your insurance card does not cover the entire year preceding the trade in, you will need other proof of insurance. Contact your insurance company to get evidence of 1 year worth of insurance. The form must include, at a minimum, the insurance company, policy number, VIN, start and end date of insurance (showing at least 1 year).
2 Proof of Registration going back at least 1 year.
3 “Clear” title. This means the title must be free of any liens or other encumbrances. If you have liens, you need to get these cleared before going to the dealer. This may include evidence on the face of the title showing no lien; that the title has been cleared (signed and stamped accordingly), or with an attached lien release from the lien holder.
4 The vehicle manufacturer date found on the driver’s door or door jamb is less than 25 years old when you trade it in.
This means anything pre-1984 is not eligible..
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As for the 96 Grand Cherokee
#1 check
#2 check
#3 check
#4 check
Time to get the dealer to send it to the crusher.
There's also a rule that it must be operable, meaning, driven to the dealership. There are other requirements as to the mpg and what will qualify as a new vehicle with the credit. www.cars.gov
You know, if they didn't put the rule in there about the 1 yr registration and 1 yr insurance, how many would be looking to buy a $300 old truck to take it right away to the dealership for the $4500? Lots.
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Heres what the missus needs Sarge
http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/challenger/
Wouldnt mind one myself
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Ha! She couldn't handle something like that. 425hp six speed manual, Oh yeah. I could though ;)
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I'm new here, but I wanted to chime in. The wife had a 96 dodge grand caravan 3.8 v-6. Everything started going bad at about 125-130k. The tranny went out, $1200. One of the 3? computers went bad $500. The a/c went out $1000. This didn't all happen in one month, but it was as good as having another car payment anyway.
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welcome aboard.
you hear stories of vehicles going bad at 60k miles, some at 120k miles. some at 300k miles. My sub is at 205k miles and only had a distributor, steering pump and starter replaced to my knowledge. It's hard to find any pattern except that I don't like 4-bangers because they tend to wear out quicker--at least in my own opinion any. V6's and V8's dont have to work as hard.
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I really hate to say it, but my Burb is gonna have to go. >:( Cant pass up that kind of incentive for a truck thats not worth a third. Still got the '77 and that aint going anywhere. Let me say, i dont agree with any of those SOB's in Washington. But she was gonna get sold in the winter anyway.
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precisley my point. You're not the only one. Make sure it is no older than an '84. Make sure you strip it out....radio, 3rd seat, bucket seats, except one to drive, spare tire, tow package, electronic brake controls, air cleaner housing, any good tires. Heck, you could probably take the instrument cluster off and she'll still run. All the stipulation says is that it has to be running when turning it in.
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One thing just crossed my mind.( yeah thats all theres room for) The more that get turned in, the higher the value goes up on mine.
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One thing just crossed my mind.( yeah thats all theres room for) The more that get turned in, the higher the value goes up on mine.
Yes but the fewer donor/parts trucks there are available. :'(
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Im afraid I have enough donors to last a long, long time. Pathetic, I know
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Well, we did it. We capitalized on my tax money to benefit me for a change.
We bought a 09 Ford Escape. Say what you want about Ford, but, they are the only Detroit company that didnt go begging to D.C. for tax money.
Man, that thing is sweet. All Fords have this thing called SYNC where you can plug in a USB device, like a SD card reader full of mp3 albums, and it plays it directly. You say a command like "play Van Zant" and it jumps to the Van Zant album. Then say "play next track" and guess what? well you can guess that.
It's awesome. I can have up to 20 albums on one SD card and it will play random, by album, by artist, whatever you want. The sound system is awesome in there too. Stereio controls right on the steering wheel. It also has bluetooth technology to speak and hear over the stereo you cell phone calls, etc..
You can tell Kit (I mean the Escape) to give you the upcoming winning lottery numbers too. Can't wait to try that one out.
She'll get 30 mpg too. I aint used to that right there. The 96 Cherokee we traded in didnt get anywhere near that. We got the max. $4500 smackaroos for the Jeep.
I gotta tell ya, I never had so much fun stripping out a vehicle before....the dealer said you can take whatever you want from the clunker, just make sure you can "drive" it to the lot. I stripped out the speakers, amp, stereo, visors, spare tire, jack, instrument cluster trim....I was having fun. Even took the 5lb sledge hammer to the doors....they dont care. It will be at the crushers soon. And to top it off, the dealers are supposed to drain the oil out the engine and run the engine 'til she blows. Really!! They have to be running to get there, but, cannot run when they send it to the recycling company. And get this...no one, the dealer, recycling company, no one can take anything from the vehicle, not even a screw....no doors, windows, alternators, tail lights....nothing. It all must be crushed. That's obama's way to ensure old clunkers are leaving the roadways.
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I am afraid I will have to side with you on Ford. I have no intentions on buying anything else from Government Motors, but I have to admit the new Camaro is enticing.
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but I have to admit the new Camaro is enticing.
Man, I tell you, I was in the Ford showroom today for quite a bit of time drooling. Drooling over a red 09 Mustang Shelby Cobra GT 500KR. With a 5.4 litre, that puppy no doubt will haul ahhh, well, you know. It's not a 428 Cobra Jet like days of old, but, with the super turbo charged, Fuel Injected, computer controlled engines of today, It has to be sweet.
I could picture myself shifting that six speed selector ripping up the roads. I kept drifting back to that car. Man, I could have that puppy. Right next to it was a Carl Edwards signed Jack Roush Convertible Moostang that was almost as sweet. Check out this video...the two mustangs in the background, red=Shelby, Blue Roush Convertible were wet with my drool today...this video shows the exact same cars I was looking at today in the showroom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuTAX747ukQ&feature=related or http://www.roushmustangdealers.com/
I need to win the lottery.
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I just thought of something. I don't have to turn in the jeep until monday eve. I remember hearing of catalytic converter thefts from shopping malls and stuff so the theifs could turn them in to a recycling center for the precious metals within them.
I just may cut off the cat converter of this jeep before I turn it in, Again, the only requirement is that it has to be running when pulled onto the dealership lot.
This is what the jeep looked like last week. Now, I have taken much interior stuff out and took a sledge hammer to the sides and stuff just for fun.
Does anyone know where to take a used cat to recycle? I guess any metal place.
(http://www.delbridge.net/jeepp1.jpg)
anyone want these wheels and tires? tires have 6,000 miles on them. Good for another 50,000 or so..Bridgestone 225x70x16. I bought 4 old jeep wheels/tires from a guy off craigslist today for $40 total so I can put the wheels/tires on the jeep and take off the good ones and resell these rims/tires. I put them on with two lugnuts each so I can keep the other lugnuts. Yeah, I am a miser.
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I feel the same way about Ford and the new Mustang is sweet (ever since '05). When I'm in the market for a new car/truck I'll definitely consider them. I'm not sure I can say the same about GM, certainly not for Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep. Too bad, though, if you want a Ford you have to go through a Ford dealership. Now they are the worst. In fact, if any of the big three want to improve sales/customer satisfaction, they should look toward shaping up the dealers.
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Glad to hear what you did Del.. Gives me a few ideas. I should just switch the doors from my 77 pickup to the 89 burb before she goes. I guess they will bolt up. any difference on the hinges?
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Well...since the government owns some of the car companies, Obama is now a car salesman. If the dealership blows the motor, then they can not sell to a small wholesale lot for people who only have a few hundred bucks to buy a car. Obama is trying to increase his stock value in GM.
Oh, one other thing, if you are going to get a newer car...pay cash for it if you can. The average car payment is $484/month over 82 months. If you were to invest (over the long term...ignore current economy...it will get better) that from age 25-75, you would have $5.6 Million. Hope you like the car...even if I am half wrong.
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one other thing, if you are going to get a newer car...pay cash for it if you can. The average car payment is $484/month over 82 months
I have to differ on your opinion there. If you had cash, say $21,000 cash to pay, I would still finance it 0% (what we got) over 60 months. Or even the alternative, 1.9% for 72 months. I'd rather take my lump sum cash and invest it and stretch payments as long as possible for NO INTEREST. Why pay all now, versus pay it over 5 years with no interest? Invest your money up front in bonds or stock market. You also build up your credit rating that way.
Now sure, if we decided to pay cash out right, they would have come down about $1000 off the price....big deal. In five years, that $21,000 in the market or bonds will more than make up for that grand.
If the dealership blows the motor, then they can not sell to a small wholesale lot for people who only have a few hundred bucks to buy a car. Obama is trying to increase his stock value in GM
I agree. He is trying to get older, gas guzzlers off the road. Also, he is trying to put money back in Detroit. Two good things. However, by using my tax money to do it, or rather my yet-to-be-born grandkids' tax money to do it, I don't agree. That one billion dollars today he is using will end up costing my grandkids 30 billion when the Chinese cash in some of their assets with us next generation or two. But then again, what's billions of dollars when we are talking budget shortfall of $1 trillion? that is $1,000,000,000,000.00 this year alone
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In my area honda and toyota are advertising real hard for you to bring your clunker to them instead. So much for sending money to detroit.
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In my area honda and toyota are advertising real hard for you to bring your clunker to them instead. So much for sending money to detroit.
Yeah, I know, there are those who swear by other countries' cars, however, I will not sell my country out no matter what. I will do my part in keeping profits in this country.
This Ford, the company of which did not ask for a Federal penny, has a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty. That's a long time. I ain't giving Japan or Germany my money (I know, many of the parts are made in Taiwan or Indonesia and China-but what am I to do) . Most of the money stays in this country. I wish we could get excise taxes on imports, but, that is another story and the beginning of WWIII, but, that is what we have gotten ourselves into.
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And to top it off, the dealers are supposed to drain the oil out the engine and run the engine 'til she blows. Really!! They have to be running to get there, but, cannot run when they send it to the recycling company. And get this...no one, the dealer, recycling company, no one can take anything from the vehicle, not even a screw....no doors, windows, alternators, tail lights....nothing. It all must be crushed. That's obama's way to ensure old clunkers are leaving the roadways.
It will be interesting to see how the Government goes about enforcing these rules. If the dealer is supposed to seize the motor how will Obama Know if it ran when it was turned in?.
Unless the Government puts Clunker Inspectors an the recycling plants I can see plenty of room for shady deals to go down.
The cat on the jeep is worth about $50. If you search on Craigslist in your area under Automotive Services You should find a few cat recyclers.
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how will Obama Know if it ran when it was turned in?.
It's up to the dealers to see you drive it in to the dealership lot. I drove my jeep up to the lot this evening and breathed a big sigh of relief that it made it as soon as I turned into it. Legally, all it has to do is drive in it. I turned off the engine and gave the key to the dealer. $4500, not bad. I stripped a lot from it. I even took the passenger seat out of it with it electric motors still attached for adjusting heigth, back angle, forward/back on track. That leather seat sure feels good sittin in it on the ground.
I have no idea what I am going to do with it. Sit it in front of my camper on camping excursions? I dunno. I oughta put a 12 volt battery next to it and run the red and black wire to it so I can make it lean back and sleep in it sittin in front of the campfire or something.
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shoulda pull them both out and put a bucket in its place...
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shoulda pull them both out and put a bucket in its place...
I thought about that ;D
It was extremely easy, four bolts and clip the 4 wires. Thought about the back fold down seat too, but I didn't.
On my way to the dealer, I could've kicked myself. I had my hands on the steering wheel and looking right at the air bag sign in the steering wheel. Only three screws would've taken that out and I could sell the air bag for who knows what. I am sure some jeep airbags have gone off on small accidents and that would need to be replaced. Oh well. Live and learn.
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Just read on drudge that EPA is raising older vehicle milage values for about 100 models. Those that have already done the deal are having to give thier new car back or cough up the dough
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-07-27-cash-for-clunkers-list-changes_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-07-27-cash-for-clunkers-list-changes_N.htm)
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That is a CROCK, they moved it down in 08 to make it where the mph was 65 instead of 55, All the cars dropped in mileage. Wonder what the change was. EPA should have it listed..
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ratings2008.shtml
Funny thing is Nissan is trying to tweek their ratings for better deals.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/27/report-nissan-engineers-tweaking-vehicles-to-meet-cash-for-clun/
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They can't hold the consumer accountable for an agency's mistake, or, 'fixing the numbers'. Sorry, not the consumer's fault once they checked with their dealer. Once a deal is done, it is done. You can't change a deal once it is done, especially since it was done with correct information at the time of the deal.
If laws change for anything, people are grandfathered in, right?
Punishing people with good intent and based on the facts then, sounds like Totalitarianism to me--no one to keep the govt in check. Skip Socialism altogether.
I dare them to tell me I have to fork anything over after we did the right thing.
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Punishing people with good intent and based on the facts then, sounds like Totalitarianism to me--
Welcome to our new America, where the rules change as needed.
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OH, so that is what he was talking about when he said change! ;) I get it now!!!
Bumper Sticker:
"OBUMMER, CHANGE WE DIDN'T NEED OR WANT" ;D ;D ;D
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Go for it guys, turn in your trucks...My truck just got more valuable.
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Go for it guys, turn in your trucks...My truck just got more valuable.
I told the dealer about my '65 Mustang GT Convertible in my garage. He said, while nodding at the 2010 Jack Roush Mustang that he could make a deal about trading in my '65 for that. I laughed and said, oh, that is fine, but, I would want some cash coming to me afterwards. He laughed and really wanted my '65 GT. Those new stangs are nice. But, I can't give up my old pony.
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don't matter anyway, there's no more $$$
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Obama is a waste. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8220718&page=1
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They should already have someone else in charge, Obama just put America up for a joke !
That story were they already crushed the family car and now dont want to give them the new car... if that were me I would have gone crazy in the dealership !! :o
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They should already have someone else in charge, Obama just put America up for a joke !
That story were they already crushed the family car and now dont want to give them the new car... if that were me I would have gone crazy in the dealership !! :o
There would be broken stuff around there.... >:(
Strictly from a "who lost what" view, GM or chrysler should be telling the government what to do and NOT the other way around.
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Govt $$$ at work... Makes me actually sick to see what they do to em. Wasting so much. But government is as government does.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHIBekLKyUU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHIBekLKyUU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5HP0DAIAsY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kzPA9U4A8o&feature=related
This may be the best country out there, but that's not saying much apparently.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toakVFPORRQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toakVFPORRQ&feature=related)
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I love this one after watching the other posted videos by Chevyrado. Those chevy dont wanna die, they hang on for a while before the engine seizes. Check out this Ford. It lasted like two seconds.
I saw the inspection sticker on this and noticed it was Virginia. Then i noticed the dealership name, Whitten Brothers is just down the street.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRnaD7GtGE&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRnaD7GtGE&NR=1)
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Those videos are kind of sickening.....
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Those videos are kind of sickening.....
Glad you said something, I thought I was alone. :'( All I see is good roller block 350 cores going to waste. Where do these seized engines go anyways?
I think I'll buy a 572 BBC and try my hardest to get less than 5 mpg while putting out the most pollution I can. It should be the funnest protest ever. ;D
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All I see is good roller block 350 cores going to waste. Where do these seized engines go anyways?
(http://www.delbridge.net/obamm.jpg) What's the problem? My plan was to increase our trade defecit buying more cars, to put American people into more debt and get the cheap cars off the road. I want to get your children into as much tax debt as possible. Hey, we reached a trillion dollar shortfall in our budget for the first time ever. I'm gonna break my own record next year...shooting for 3 trillion next year. Yes. Change. You wanted Change. Have HOPE! I hope to see change. I'm changing the definition of Hope! Hope means the Chinese have a chance to make money off of us. Have Hope!
Where do these seized engines go? They get scrapped and shredded and sent to Japan to make more engines to sell back to us so we can send them our money. Why should we keep these engines when we can send them overseas to be made into new ones? I don't want people to buy cheap cars. I am giving everyone so much money (if you don't work) so you can buy BRAND NEW CARS. Aren't you glad? In fact, I may increase it to $6k for your clunker. Ha, it's not like it is my money anyway. It's your rugrats'. HaHaHaHa (http://www.delbridge.net/obamm2.jpg)
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I had a thought yesterday (I know, and yes it did hurt, a little bit) Why are they letting people use cash for clunkers to buy any car not made by ford, gm or chrysler? Why the heck are you able to use this to buy hondas and toyotas?
Here's another nice thing on the CARS website. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3Dcash%2520for%2520clunkers%26oe%3Dutf-8%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3Dcash%2520for%2520clunkers%26oe%3Dutf-8%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF&feature=player_embedded)
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Why are they letting people use cash for clunkers to buy any car not made by ford, gm or chrysler? Why the heck are you able to use this to buy hondas and toyotas
Ah, c'mon, you know why. Think about it. Three words.... World War Three
That's why we have no tariffs on Jap, German, whatever cars. Free trade. It's all free trade. Remember Clinton's NAFTA....North American Free Trade Agreement which assured that USA standard of living will fall to that of Mexico and Mexico will rise to that of USA. Doesn't matter our employers pay healthcare, deal with unions, and pay a minimum wage whereas Mexican make 15 cents an hour w/ no health care or unions. Free Trade...HA!
I can see those ships with american cars on board doing a U turn now to head back to California...we do have many exports of vehicles. We do wanna keep that going.
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>:( I'm going to refrain from the bashing I was just about to give.... What a waste
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I just saw them ruin a perfectly good suburban for that stupid cash for clunkers deal. Have they no heart? After that they interviewed a local salvage yard owner. He is not a happy camper. It's a conspiracy i tell you.
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Basically it's the hippie's in power. None of this crap went on until hippie's got old enough to be in positions of power. Now doper morons who used to drive microbus' are trying to make everyone else drive bugs and microbus' and smell the trippy flowers.
They can take their flowers and green crap and......woohoo!
I felt a little bit better today when I used the smoky old ford tractor instead of the newer new holland. I love my truck more now just because I know it cancels out like 8 hybrids when it idles... ;D I'll never believe that cars and trucks do as much damage to the environment as they would have me think they do. Even the worst SUV is cleaner than the best 80's econo box.
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Just put it on my tab....
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)
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Well, we did it. We capitalized on my tax money to benefit me for a change.
We bought a 09 Ford Escape. Say what you want about Ford, but, they are the only Detroit company that didnt go begging to D.C. for tax money.
Man, that thing is sweet. All Fords have this thing called SYNC where you can plug in a USB device, like a SD card reader full of mp3 albums, and it plays it directly. You say a command like "play Van Zant" and it jumps to the Van Zant album. Then say "play next track" and guess what? well you can guess that.
It's awesome. I can have up to 20 albums on one SD card and it will play random, by album, by artist, whatever you want. The sound system is awesome in there too. Stereio controls right on the steering wheel. It also has bluetooth technology to speak and hear over the stereo you cell phone calls, etc..
You can tell Kit (I mean the Escape) to give you the upcoming winning lottery numbers too. Can't wait to try that one out.
She'll get 30 mpg too. I aint used to that right there. The 96 Cherokee we traded in didnt get anywhere near that. We got the max. $4500 smackaroos for the Jeep.
I gotta tell ya, I never had so much fun stripping out a vehicle before....the dealer said you can take whatever you want from the clunker, just make sure you can "drive" it to the lot. I stripped out the speakers, amp, stereo, visors, spare tire, jack, instrument cluster trim....I was having fun. Even took the 5lb sledge hammer to the doors....they dont care. It will be at the crushers soon. And to top it off, the dealers are supposed to drain the oil out the engine and run the engine 'til she blows. Really!! They have to be running to get there, but, cannot run when they send it to the recycling company. And get this...no one, the dealer, recycling company, no one can take anything from the vehicle, not even a screw....no doors, windows, alternators, tail lights....nothing. It all must be crushed. That's obama's way to ensure old clunkers are leaving the roadways.
I drive a 2009 Ford Escape for a company car. I love it as well. Not quite as fancy as yours but sure gets the job done.
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I would be for these electric cars if they actually looked good enough for me to drive, I hate these dumb ### hybrids that look like stupid #### mini vans. I know GM and Chrysler know #### well that people love the old 70's muscle cars like the Challenger, Charger and Camaro, thats why they brought them all back! If you see a 2009 Prius drive by do you say "Wow did you see that prius" heck NO, but if you see a 2010 Camaro drive by, of course you say something! I tell you something, theres more eyes on beat up old muscle cars then brand new hybrids, theres a guy that comes in the restaurant I work at everyday, he drives a mid 80's Caprice Classic he swapped out the 4.3 and put in a 5.7 350SBC, he has dual glasspacks, the car isnt much to look at but he gets more eyes than some guy in a hybrid.
Death to all hybrids.
Piss!
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these dumb butt hybrids
like stupid butt mini vans
Yeah, I'd like to see the ignorant butt politicians drive the retarded butt electric cars. ;D lol, i kill myself sometimes :D
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Yes Obama needs to ditch all the caddy's and suburbans.
I think he would be all pimp-fly in a fleet of armoured Chevy Volts. And nancy pelosi's jet should be traded on a single engine cesna....
It's hard to listen to a guy who rides around in suburbans and caddy limos try to lecture me for driving a suburban.
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Why do dealers continue to advertise for this when the money ran out some time ago?
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Lmao, I didn't type "butt" hahhahahaa moderators have too much power around here :lol:
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OK i have to rant about all this also
1 there giving our us money to other country's i know about free trade but who will pull us out of this slum were in???
2 so many good parts going to put more people out of business junkyard will see less cars the car should be donated to "good will", churches and other needy people what about helping them
o if your going to trade in a car they shouldn't just scrap them right there they should try to help who they can that need it then scrap what they don't need even if they give parts to junkyards to help them out there basically taking more money from junkyard and cars from people who need them and giving outsiders more money thats whats dragging us down. our 1 dollar is slowly meaning less and less due to greedy people.
one more thing i was told about a conspiracy with insurance people back when the scrap metal was soooooo high people scraped old vehicles then. the conspiracy was insurance agency's wanted top get all older vehicles off the road and only having newer vehicles on the road, if the car was older than 8 years old if it got into a fender bender i would be totaled. now i thought maybe it was just something someone was thinking but now with this allot of people are getting there hands dirty while they can but all that money they will be lining there pockets with ain't going to mean crap. kind of sad but greed will drag us all down........
::) sorry bout the improper grammar but had to get it all off my chest
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One good thing about the program is it is "stimulating" new car sales in a big way. However, ultimately, is the consumer really benefitting? Even if one did trade their F-350 in for a corolla(or similar) they would have to drive probably 200,000 miles before breaking even on the gas savings. That's just breaking even---this is before any benefit is seen. i'm not even taking into consideration interest on the money if you just kept it or put it in the bank.
i know that there are other benefits, such as you get to own a new car and that brings dependability etc. But my feeling is, let's not get picky. Of course, if you have money and you really want a new car, then go for it....i guess?
i think a better program would be "cash for diesels," or "cash for electrics" or something; i think we need to educate people on maybe "alternative" approaches to transportation. (note: when i say alternative, i don't nessesarily mean it in the way that everyone else uses the term)
What would happen is that we--the gov't would credit 1/2 towards the purchase of any diesel powered or electric (whole or part) powered vehicle and yes a trade in would be required, but the trade in would not have to be junked--the trade in could be used for other sorts of benefit.
What this does is not only benefit the buyer, but educates everyone towards "better" alternative means of transportation. (yes, i know diesel and/or electric is not nessesarily better than gas, but go with me for a minute, plus it's better than the existing program..........)
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Get the govt out of the car business. All this micro-managing and diddling is bound to have unforseen effects that will have to be fixed with what? another govt program? sheesh!
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Well yes, ulitimately i agree that the gov't should stay the heck out of the car business. But IF we are going to have to "cash for______whatever" programs, they should be progressive and positive.
All this cash for clunkers program is doing is short term fix which ultimately isn't going to work.
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Let's see, GM lost (approx, i think) $38 billion.
The govt' lost more than 10 TRILLION.
Who should be giving financial advice to whom, if either one.
There's no reason to expect people to suddenly switch over to the newer technologies. When cars first came out, how many people still used horses and for how long? It will take a while, but if they make good products, people will buy them.
Just because they are electric of hybrid cars, why should they look like one? Get the range up where electrics would be usable for a long trip and I'd get one, as long as it didn't look like an electric car. Offer a hybrid camaro or mustang or challenger that looks just like a regular gas engined one and they would sell. plenty of people buy pony cars and don't hot-rod them. I could stand a hybrid mustang a lot more than any prius you could possibly point out to me.
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Just found this on Craigs List...
http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/1316226960.html
I didn't think they could do this...
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who knows, everytime someone has the rules figured out they alter it around and change things. I guess they can do it, the govt would bust them for that easily.
now, who round here can bust out the govt? whoop their little fannies back into shape?
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i have since heard that the reason the dealerhips must seize the engine prior to recycling company picking the vehicle up is because the recycling company (salvage yeard, etc) CAN remove parts for resell to recoup some of their money in addition to the metal recycling money.
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I'm starting to see the trickle down effect of "cash for clunkers".
I just came from the Manhiem New England Thursday night used car auction. Every Thursday night they usually sell about 300-400 older high mile vehicles to licensed used car dealers.
On a typical Thursday night they usually have 5-10 1988-2000 trucks (full size pick ups,blazers yukons,tahoes,and suburbans). Last week they only had 3 of these trucks run through and I didn't think too muck about it. Tonight they had just 1, a 88 2W.D pick up with 377K on it that sold for $200.
It could just be a coincidence but these trucks would be the typical vehicle getting traded in as a clunker for $4500. They are gas guzzlers that are 10-21 years old and would never sell for $4500 in the real world.
It's sad to see because allot of these trucks,although well worn, still had some life left in them.
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Sgt Del is one of the few that I know that actually benefitted from this. Most of it boils down to selling cars to people who are already broke, and now deeper in debt because of this great governtment program. Kinda like selling houses to people who couldnt afford them, then now they are being forclosed on. If you were in the market for a new car, this is perfect, but thats not the case in alot of situations. Especially around here. Alot of people are unemployed in this area and talking them into getting a $400_$500 car payment,not encluding insurance, when they had a car that was paid for is stupid. I predict alot of repos in the near future. Way to stimilate the economy by breaking everyone financially. I guess the governtment wants us all to join them in their imaginary budget.
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putting it on another scale, let's imagine, cash for huts.
Take your house that is nearly (or is completely) paid for. It may have a mtg of say $500 or $700 depending on how long you have lived there. Trade that house in for a new $400,000 house that the govt will put the downpayment on because you traded in your almost paid for house, or at least one you could afford.
Your new mtg is $4,000 month. You will now be forclosed on in about two years.
Headlines:
Next big job growth will be for Repo Men. Give it two years, you'll see.
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I drove by the local Chevy dealership here and they have multiple lots around town. Well in one lot I saw the "clunkers" and I instantly became sad. There are many nice cars/pickups lined up out there. Majority in pretty good, even some in excellent, shape. There were even some 87-91's in there :(
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SgtDel, you didnt mention the fact that now your old house will be demolished because it isnt energy efficient enough.
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Good news.
I was at the junkyard today dropping off a parts car and they had a few suburbans (95,96,99) marked clunker. I talked to the counter man and he said they do get to strip them for parts.
I don't know what the arrangements are to determine which junkyard gets these clunkers (who owns them, the dealer or the government?). But it looks like they will become parts cars afterall.
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But it looks like they will become parts cars afterall
yep, parts cars minus the engines.
The govt puts out a list of recycling centers who will go to the dealers to pick up the vehicles after the dealer seizes up the engins so that cannot be sold out right and be back on the highway next week.
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i've been doing alot of thinking---while driving and i think i've come up with a better solution:
First off, there are always going to be people buying new cars. Regardless of what the economy is doing. So, this cash for clunker program benefits them. Some people just like getting a new car every 5 yrs or so. The cash for clunkers would then, in this case, be sort of an incentive. And again, for most people the numbers do not add up, but the program does stimulate auto sales in a big way.
i think it would be better if the gov't gets the trade in and then either:
1) auctions off the cars to the highest bidder. In many cases, the participating dealer cannot accomodate very many cars due to space limitations, in that case:
2) takes the trade ins, ships them to the many gov't procurement/supply warehouses around the country (make sure each region as a good selection) and auction the cars off the highest bidder.
So, with this plan, nothing is being disabled or dismantled. The gov't can get back a sizable portion of the money it put out for the program. Also, someone who nees a cheaper, used car and can't buy a new one can also benefit. The dealer is benefiting because of increased sales, so they shouldn't get anything for taking the trade in.
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i've been doing alot of thinking---
That in itself could be dangerous to your health ;D
So, with this plan, nothing is being disabled or dismantled. The gov't can get back a sizable portion of the money it put out for the program. Also, someone who nees a cheaper, used car and can't buy a new one can also benefit. The dealer is benefiting because of increased sales, so they shouldn't get anything for taking the trade in.
There are some problems here, Stewart. Democrats are in office. What do they do? Spend! Throw out $4500 per car, doesn't matter. What did FDR do when he was president during the Great Depression? Ever hear of CCC or WPA? The list goes on and on. I am not saying we are not benifitting from some of that. I visit the Shenandoah Park and Blue Ridge Parkway a couple of times each month in the summer and they are the result of the spending of the '30's.
Here are a few points to consider...
1. Green. The color Green has a new meaning recently. We all know what that means (thank you Al Gore--democrat). The dems want gas guzzling, armored tanks off the road.
2. You assume the gov't wants to offset the cost. We know that if the federal gov't was a business, it would become bankrupt in no time at all. They are not in the business to make money...just spend it. I say that all the time in what I do. I work for County Govt and I have said for my 18 yrs there, the things I have witnessed, is that if this place was a business, it would not last a year. It doesn't care about efficiency. The people making big bucks in charge of everything will always be making the money--job security in govt. No stock market buyers to answer to. Money will always be there to spend because of taxes. Why sell these clunkers and procure some offset money? HA! Don't need to. Have you seen our federal budget lately--it made news two weeks ago because the shortfall now has reached a trillion dollars in the first time in history.
3. The govt doesnt want poor people buying used cars. it wants to stimulate jobs. To stimulate jobs means, mainly manufacturing. Building NEW cars. Not only Detroit benefits, but the companys all around that makes the auto parts that go into new cars. The govt wants to move money. Moving money translates to economy. Economy translates to taxes. People buy things. Everything has taxes associated with it. Did you see CNN today? Ford has had to increase production due to this cash for clunkers thing.
Oh yes, Washington has thought this thing through.
Stewart, you are a problem solver. If i had a business, I'd hire you as a CEO. You can come up with ideas and you are rational in your thinking, except the fact that you assume the Gov't cares about breaking even or making money. It doesn't. It wants to move money around because each person that touches a particular dollar pays taxes on that dollar. Buying a new car translates to the new consumer of that car paying sales tax, registration fees, increase insurance. The worst thing that can happen is people hoarding money in their savings accounts. No! They must spend. When they spend, each person or company that touches a dollar pays taxes on that dollar. OK. The dealer pays income taxes, profit taxes, business taxes, real estate taxes. The insurance company pays profit taxes, income taxes, real estate taxes (or rent, in which case the landlord pays income taxes, capital taxes, real estate taxes), etc...The manufacturing company pays income taxes (has created more jobs) for all companies involved (alternator parts, engine parts, tires, computers, glass,etc.....All these companies pays taxes. And most importantly, banks! The banks lending the consumers the money to spend, spend, spend. The bank pays taxes on their profits, income taxes from employees, etc... Again, the money is moving...moving, each time it is touched, the result is taxes. Don't we see this? The definition of Economy should be obvious. It means money moving.
Now, to spur this moving money, the gov't has put my son into debt and he is only 4 yrs old. Politicians think of the here and now and not tomorrow and next generation.
My thesis is over. Thank you for your attention.
.....and one more thing
i've been doing alot of thinking---while driving and i think i've come up with a better solution:
When I drive, I'm not thinking how to cure the country with its many ills, but, listening to country music and thinking how
God is Great, Beer is Good, and People are Crazy
...and wondering which bar I can find a rich old geezer who'll leave his fortune to me when he kicks the bucket. ;D
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Sgt Del if I'm ever in Richmond Va. I'm calling you and Beer is on me. You are alot smarter than you look on the internet. :D
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I guess that's a compliment. I don't know how I look on the internet. Smart, dumb, i don't care, I am married, so I guess it doesn't matter. So, thanks! ;D
Now, if ever you come to Va from KY, don't worry about buying me a drink, just bring some of that good ol'e KY bourbon, a fifth of that Dirty Bird Kickin' Chicken oughta do just fine. Any 101 proof? Ha! I gotta go geta drink now thinking about it.
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i need to add that in my revised plan that when a car is traded in, the vin# goes into a national registry making it inelligeble for more trade in incentives----because the car could just continually be traded in for $4500 credit.
2) The credit only applies to the following domestic automakers---gm, chryco, ford etc.
i think with these two revisions, we might have something even though, ultimately, on a singular consumer level, i don't think s/he will benefit soley nessesarily from getting a $4500 incentive to buy a new car.
Now, IF, we look at the big picture----then yes this might help spur the economy and set "everything" in motion, possibly; For example more cars sold= more people back to work in the assembly plants, marketing, transporting the cars to the dealer, more salespeople, technicians= more people SPENDING MONEY and PAYING TAXES (thanks sgt.del for the economics lesson).
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because the car could just continually be traded in for $4500 credit
Well, the owner who trades the car in as a clunker must prove DMV registration in their name for that vehicle the previous 12 months and prove via letter from insurance company that it has been insured for that same time. If you buy it this week, you can't trade it in next week anyway.
The credit only applies to the following domestic automakers---gm, chryco, ford etc.
I beleive I mentioned earlier that you cannot begin WWIII over this. That translates to a tariff against Jap, German cars, etc...Any incentive to buy vehicles from just American companies invites other trade embargos against 'us'. We do have a healthy export economy, though, it is getting worse everyday and we are slipping because other countries don't contend with Unions, company paid Healthcare, taxes, increase minimum wages, etc..It seems the more regulations the gov't puts on companies, the worse our exports get, but, that is another story.
more people SPENDING MONEY and PAYING TAXES (thanks sgt.del for the economics lesson).
Anytime Stewart ;D
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According to Consumer Reports, here’s a breakdown of the top five on each side of the coin.
Top 5 cars purchased:
1. Toyota Corolla
2. Honda Civic
3. Ford Focus
4. Toyota Camry
5. Hyundai Elantra
Top 5 cars traded in:
1. Ford Explorer 4WD
2. Ford F150 Pickup 2WD
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee 4WD
4. Jeep Cherokee 4WD
5. Ford Explorer 2WD
It’s sad to me that 4 of the 5 top cars purchased are not American brands and the top 5 trade in’s are all American brands.
The latest data shows an average 15.8 mpg fuel economy on traded-in models and 25 mpg on the new, replacement vehicles – an overall 9.2 mpg increase. That’s very good news.
Your thoughts?
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When will people realize that the problem is not too many cars or too many gas guzzlers, but too many people?
How about a "cash for scumbags" program.
Have a local thief terrorizing your neighborhood? Catch him and bring him in for cash. We'll knock him over the head, slaughter him, cook him, and serve him to the world's starving masses. Got a worthless brother who sits on his butt all day, smoking crack, while collecting a welfare check? Bring him in and we'll give you $4500 on the spot.
Now there's a worthwhile program.
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Top 5 cars traded in:
1. Ford Explorer 4WD
2. Ford F150 Pickup 2WD
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee 4WD
4. Jeep Cherokee 4WD
5. Ford Explorer 2WD
Well, that, in part, tells me that people bought American SUV's in enough numbers a dozen or so years ago to make the top 5 in the trade in list. It's good to know so many American cars were made. I am guilty of the #3 type vehicle.
Looking at the flip side, are people that anxious to get rid of their American made SUV? I can speak for myself only, but, we were going to get rid of the Jeep anyway because of the 120,000 miles on it and we couldn't get the same amt if sold outright. It was still a very nice vehicle and only needed a crank shaft sensor way back when as far as trouble was concerned.
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When will people realize that the problem is not too many cars or too many gas guzzlers, but too many people?
How about a "cash for scumbags" program.
Have a local thief terrorizing your neighborhood? Catch him and bring him in for cash. We'll knock him over the head, slaughter him, cook him, and serve him to the world's starving masses. Got a worthless brother who sits on his butt all day, smoking crack, while collecting a welfare check? Bring him in and we'll give you $4500 on the spot.
Now there's a worthwhile program.
Where do I sign up?
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According to Consumer Reports, here’s a breakdown of the top five on each side of the coin.
Top 5 cars purchased:
1. Toyota Corolla
2. Honda Civic
3. Ford Focus
4. Toyota Camry
5. Hyundai Elantra
Top 5 cars traded in:
1. Ford Explorer 4WD
2. Ford F150 Pickup 2WD
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee 4WD
4. Jeep Cherokee 4WD
5. Ford Explorer 2WD
It’s sad to me that 4 of the 5 top cars purchased are not American brands and the top 5 trade in’s are all American brands.
The latest data shows an average 15.8 mpg fuel economy on traded-in models and 25 mpg on the new, replacement vehicles – an overall 9.2 mpg increase. That’s very good news.
Your thoughts?
It does seem that way, but according to the worldwide automotive report podcast, which is probably pretty accurate (will post link when more time) Toyota got 18% of all cash for cl sales before the first ending, and GM got 17% of all cash for KL sales before the first ending.
So, it would be interesting to see the cars for #'s 5-10 on the lists.
a) one really bad sign of where society is headed is that a hyundai is in the top 5. This is completely unacceptable.
One on-going problem in the north america market is that a very large consumer segment(who also don't know jack about cars) thinks that any car made in asia, or of asian origin can do absolutely no wrong. While, at the same token, they feel that anything domestic can do absolutely no right.
What's going to turn this around?
Styling.
People forget about "supposed" mechanical shortcommings if they see a car that looks good.