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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Engine/Drivetrain => Topic started by: Stewart G Griffin on January 18, 2010, 11:36:21 am
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Please examine and comment on this oil additive. David Vizard says it is good and works, and anything he says is true, but i still need reassurance.
The article (http://www.oilextreme.com/motortec_article.html)
Their website (http://www.oilextreme.com/index.html)
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i don't know about the product, but, when you get to be an authority on things, like Vizard, a few bucks and the authority can back anything.
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I have no doubt that it does something, but...
How important is a handful of horsepower at redline? For an IMCA racer, plently. To me, not very.
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lol who the heck is this guy ???
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lol who the heck is this guy
vizard is the wizzard on chevy small blocks....well, Vile may have him beat, but, vile doesn't publish anything....
check out my post on this thread...
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=14760.msg114191#msg114191
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lol who the heck is this guy
vizard is the wizzard on chevy small blocks....well, Vile may have him beat, but, vile doesn't publish anything....
check out my post on this thread...
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=14760.msg114191#msg114191
LOL, actually I'm not a publisher but I did have a hand in this book....
http://www.amazon.com/Automotive-Technology-Approach-Jack-Erjavec/dp/1428311491
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Snake oil??
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wow Vile, retail $128 per book. I would demand a percentage if I were you and retire in no time.
Lots of excellent reviews for that book....
A must have for any level Auto Tech Student,
An Essential Book for Everyone,
Excellent book for when you don't know anything.,
Anyone that owns a car should have access to this book.,
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Anyone that owns a car should have access to this book.
Why own the book when we have Vile himself? ;D
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lol who the heck is this guy
vizard is the wizzard on chevy small blocks....well, Vile may have him beat, but, vile doesn't publish anything....
check out my post on this thread...
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=14760.msg114191#msg114191
like Mr wizzard that i used to watch on tv when i was like 3-4 i loved that show
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wow Vile, retail $128 per book. I would demand a percentage if I were you and retire in no time.
Lots of excellent reviews for that book....
A must have for any level Auto Tech Student,
An Essential Book for Everyone,
Excellent book for when you don't know anything.,
Anyone that owns a car should have access to this book.,
I worked with Cengage Learning and relayed my input and recommendations to Jack Erjaveck. My name is in the acknowledgement section which is good enough for me. I've written a lot of curriculum and we've created some awesome work regarding Hybrid technology, BEV's, Hydrogen power and reformation etc. Some awesome stuff!
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This review uses some questionable logic when it comes to interpreting results. Read the article and keep the following in mind:
- The product seems to be aimed at racing engines, where extremely tight tolerances create above average friction levels. Even Vizard's test engine is admittedly built with extremely tight tolerances to see "how well" the product really works. As you can see from their results, average engines benefit very little from the additive.
- Product is touted as the "cheapest" and "easiest" way to increase horsepower, over things like adding better heads and intake, etc. Look at the chart at the bottom of the article. You can't tell me this isn't the most absolutely retarded logic, because I don't have to buy a new intake or heads every time I change my oil. I do however, have to buy their additive every time I change my oil, and even at their recommended oil change interval of around 7,000 miles that makes it more expensive than my heads or cam (using their approach of dollars per hp gained), and that isn't even considering the diminishing return from the additive as the engine begins to wear and lose tolerance. Companies use this kind of "fuzzy math" all the time when trying to sell their products.
- The article talks about how amazed the inspectors were when they tore down the test engine and saw how little wear there was inside. No **** sherlock, it's a well built engine with hardly any use! You better not see much wear inside an engine that has only been run a few hours!
- The article ends with a disclaimer from Vizard.
I bought shares in Jet Set Life Technology as it seemed that this product must sell because it works. Since I now have a vested interest in Oil Extreme, you will not read any further reports on Oil Extreme by me.
I guess it's a good thing he got this product "plug" in now, eh? Interpret this quote how you wish, but it tells me quite a bit. Older man admittedly chasing his first million (again, read the article).
Now take a look at the results on "average" engines
Here are the results from K&N’s Dynojet chassis dyno using a Pontiac 6000 LE with 132,000 well-maintained miles on it. This motor was in excellent condition and with this much mileage on it can be expected to have a low friction level. In spite of this power was up by an average of about 2 hp.
Gil Minks 1994 Chevy 4x4 was also a high mileage well maintained test machine with expected low friction. It showed a small but positive increase.
This modified Audi produced a consistent increase through out the rpm range. Peak power was up by 4.3 hp with the average increase of about 3 hp.
This ford Aspire was one of the newer vehicles that test results were available for. With only 22,000 miles on it the internal friction may not have reached its lowest long-term level. Adding Oil Extreme produced a significantly larger increase than was seen on all the high mileage vehicles.
Okay, maybe you guys can feel a 2 or 3 hp increase in your engines, but I sure can't. If I want a power increase I want something I can feel. These tiny power increases are what racers are looking for, when milliseconds count.
All this being said, I am not trying to get people NOT to buy this product. I try to take really good care of my engine and reduce wear as much as possible. I like minimal maintenance, and that means taking good care of my stuff. If you are interested in these types of products you need to be practical and have a solid understanding of what you are really getting for your money. One good thing about this product is it increases your oils TBN. This is good for extended drain intervals and possibly saving money on oil. I personally have found a good way of saving money by using AMSOIL and extended drains. 25,000 miles on my oil is a LOT further than the 6-8,000 they recommend when using their products, so right now I figure I am way ahead of "Oil Extreme" technology already.
-Aaron
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I bought shares in Jet Set Life Technology as it seemed that this product must sell because it works. Since I now have a vested interest in Oil Extreme, you will not read any further reports on Oil Extreme by me.
Marketing, marketing....straight from marketing 101 textbook.
OK, he "bought" shares so that sounds like a really good endorsement by an expert. What wasn't said is how much he paid for them. Can you say a penny a share for his endorsement? When shares may be worth $30, $80 or $100?
People seeing that he bought shares may think, "man, he really likes this stuff". Please......
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Just remember at one time lots of people had lots of shares in GM corp.....
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this is the only Mr wizard i know and trust
(http://www.mrwizardstudios.com/images/MRW-balance-.jpg)
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I agree Sgtdel... there is no magical oil and it's all about $
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Who is to say, and this is my opinion, that the 2 or so HP changes aren't just dynomometer variances from run to run and/or changes in the motor output from say a cool down or something.
I think it's unfortunate when a very well respected, and independent, expert takes on a vested interest from any kind of company that is in the persons field of expertise. To me it's like they are selling out somewhat and are being bought. Especially if they then write any kind of review or report on said product. It degrades their integrity somewhat but an oil additive is a rather small part of what Vizard is an expert of so little harm there I think.
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the man's gotta make money.