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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Body, Glass & Paint => Topic started by: 4chevyman on January 31, 2010, 07:24:25 pm
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I'm thinking about painting my 76 w/rustoleum satin black to give it that rat rod look. I've googled painting w/rustoleum and people have bragged about the results. I'm on a nonexistent budget, and at about $9/qt before thinning, its in my price range as the cost of automotive paint has about doubled in the past 8 yrs. I have also heard that you can just use basecoat w/o the clearcoat to achieve the satin look. Has anyone tried either of these methods and how did it turn out?
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So you read all about the 69 Charger that was painted with a roller?
I stayed up many late nights following that thread. I say go for it.
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I don't have the time or patience for the roller. The article in Hot Rod said it takes at least 7 coats to cover w/ sanding between each coat. I've got a compressor and a gun; I'll blow it on. Thought I might get a door sanded and experiment. The truck was crimson(roll tide!) red to begin with, and since I have red plastic interior trim pieces and good seat out of an 85ish silverado, I was thinking about keeping the interior red. I would like to paint it flat or satin as well but haven't seen red in that sheen at wally world or home depot. I may be able to take some to orielly's and get them to add some flattening agent.
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That Hot Rod article, was that where they painted that Ford Falcon with rollers and did the scallops with spray can Rustoleum? I've wanted to paint my 94 GMC for a couple years, but I haven't been brave enough to try it yet.
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Yea, that's the one. It looked good, but too much elbow grease for me. I'd rather use a gun. I painted my frame with gloss black rustoleum and turned out great. I found a forum online where a guy painted his Miata with rustoleum blue. He claimed that its been 2 yrs and it still looks great, but i think he said he keeps it in a garage.
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Interesting post about budget paint jobs:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/body/546612-ultimate-budget-paint-job.html
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that camaro looks good! i painted my 82 with rustoleum spray cans. came out pretty good, orange peel everywhere, but looks good. i did 2 coats of spray bomb primer then 2 coats spray bomb auto paint on top. the sanding for the prep is all the hard work. i feel that the paint is a little soft and scratches a little easy, but i don't have a clear coat on it so that may be why. i am not putting one on either because if something happens and i need to touch it up, it's just a matter of masking off the area and hitting it again with the spray can.
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that camaro looks good! i painted my 82 with rustoleum spray cans. came out pretty good, orange peel everywhere, but looks good. i did 2 coats of spray bomb primer then 2 coats spray bomb auto paint on top. the sanding for the prep is all the hard work. i feel that the paint is a little soft and scratches a little easy, but i don't have a clear coat on it so that may be why. i am not putting one on either because if something happens and i need to touch it up, it's just a matter of masking off the area and hitting it again with the spray can.
Would rattle can clear coat get results as in shine and/or scratch protection?
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That's funny this thread came up because over the weekend as I was painting my 90 core support with gloss black spray can rust paint, I thought "Hmmm I wonder if anyone has painted their entire vehicle with this?" lol
One thing I've experienced is when using spray bomb 'car' color paint, it dries quite dull. You CAN color sand, polish and buff a body shop-like shine and smoothness out of it. I've done it. It takes lots of time and patience though and you need to put down enough coats so that you don't color sand right through the paint.
With Rustoleum, or Tremclad, the gloss that comes right out of the can really surprises me. Why can't car paint spray bomb give the same gloss?? Anyway, if you can give it a week for the paint to really harden, I feel it would be a great budget paint to use. But yes, I also think it's soft and would swirl or scratch pretty easily. So if you are painting a car with it, maybe go with lighter colors that don't show scratches too easily. It takes wayyyyy longer to dry too than spray bomb car paint.
Spray bomb clear coat over spray bomb color coat needs the same color sanding and buffing that not using a clear coat needs. I've rarely used spray bomb clear but when I have used it, it dries dull just the same.
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That's funny this thread came up because over the weekend as I was painting my 90 core support with gloss black spray can rust paint, I thought "Hmmm I wonder if anyone has painted their entire vehicle with this?" lol
One thing I've experienced is when using spray bomb 'car' color paint, it dries quite dull. You CAN color sand, polish and buff a body shop-like shine and smoothness out of it. I've done it. It takes lots of time and patience though and you need to put down enough coats so that you don't color sand right through the paint.
With Rustoleum, or Tremclad, the gloss that comes right out of the can really surprises me. Why can't car paint spray bomb give the same gloss?? Anyway, if you can give it a week for the paint to really harden, I feel it would be a great budget paint to use. But yes, I also think it's soft and would swirl or scratch pretty easily. So if you are painting a car with it, maybe go with lighter colors that don't show scratches too easily. It takes wayyyyy longer to dry too than spray bomb car paint.
Spray bomb clear coat over spray bomb color coat needs the same color sanding and buffing that not using a clear coat needs. I've rarely used spray bomb clear but when I have used it, it dries dull just the same.
Yeah, that's the results I've got from the few times that I messed with the spray can clear.
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to be honest i don't think the paint is that dull. it doesn't shine like my 2001 with factory paint, but it does have a nice finish to it. i have not waxed it yet, but i think that may help a little with the shine. i can see my reflection in it on a sunny day. i have heard bad things about repainting over rustoleum with regular auto paint, i guess it doesn't adhere to it, or something about a chemical in rustoleum that will react badly to other automotive paints.
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I've read on rust paint cans where it says not to cover over it with high-solvent paints. That's about all I know about that.
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A friend of mine on another forum told me this in a signature thread "good paint jobs arent cheap, cheap paint jobs arent good"..
thanks
pat
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A friend of mine on another forum told me this in a signature thread "good paint jobs arent cheap, cheap paint jobs arent good"..
thanks
pat
Agreed, but cheap paint jobs are better than rust or multi-color (unless your in to that!) No offense, I own rusted, multi-colored stuff too!
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I've done some great looking rattle can spray jobs on hoods, fenders, etc. You can wet sand imperfections out of the base coat and then clear coat. Wet sand with 1500 grit and buff. It'll look just like you took it to the pros. The problem is one to two years down the road. At least on the stuff I used, the UV protection was just not there and it wasn't durable. I used Plasti-kote's "body shop paint"--a lacquer product. A cheap auto enamel won't cost you much more than a rust oleum paint job, and would probably be cheaper than a rattle can paint job. Here's one that's local to me: http://smartshoppersinc.com/Kirker/acrylic-enamels.html Scroll to the bottom and there's a complete kit for $66.50 including everything you need except primer. I've been thinking all this through myself, and I think the right products won't cost that much more and will save a lot of time and last much longer. I don't like to wax all the time to keep something looking good. My suggestion would be to price around and try to find a cheap single stage and see if you can't come close to Rust-Oleum prices. If its a lot more and you're on a budget, it'll probably work o.k. I used to work for a guy that sprayed Rust-oleum on everything--tractors, garbage trucks, dump trucks, and other fleet vehicles. I never saw them a couple of years later, but they looked decent at the time.
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By the time you get done and finished you couldve bought single stage paint from summit racing.If you watched with kevin tatum did on the show trucks you can make a single stage paint job look better then ever with some clear mixed into the single stage.I am going to be using this on my 2001 dodge ram in about another month or so .Sorry guys no offense but i am cheap but im not that cheap to paint a vehicle with rattle cans let alone rustoleum...
thanks
pat
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I had a buddy spray his s-10 with some Kubota Orange from the dealership in his shop and honestly it looked good, a little orange peel but he didn't wet sand or any of that.
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Kubota Orange, now that's a different color? Id love to see the pics on that!
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I agree with Pat, going with a single stage Polyurethane will be easier and more durable.
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I'll see if he has any pics trucks been sold for awhile. Yea I know I bought single stage urethane for my truck.
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Auto paint is made to be on autos. outside dirty in the sun, etc.
The main problem with rustoleum, etc is when people try to do it from a rattlecan, the paint dries fast and the can won't put out a big enough spray pattern to hide the spray marks faster then the paint can dry. It'll work fine if you use a real spray gun. It really is amazing the stuff auto paints can put up with and still be shiny when you wash them off.
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X2 on what 80stepsideguy said. I wouldn't waste my time with Rust Oleum. You can buy acrylic enamel, or single stage urethane equipment paint CHEAP.
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i agree with the people saying to buy the single stage or equipment paint, but many of us don't have a place, or the guns, or the compressor big enough, to do this type of job. all three of those are the reason i went the way i did.
if you do have just the one essential tool for spraying (the compressor big enough) the single stage or equipment paint would be your best bet.
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Lack of a good facility is why the majority of us are looking for an alternative to regular painting techniques. I welcome any ideas on how to get a decent cheap paint job.
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Not my proudest moments in my auto body career, but I have sprayed a rigs outdoors over the years. Just have to pick you days, and do not leave the tape on over night!
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Not my proudest moments in my auto body career, but I have sprayed a rigs outdoors over the years. Just have to pick you days, and do not leave the tape on over night!
Yep, been there, that tape can be a problem if you get lazy with it, kinda like waiting too long to sand Bondo.
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Have you guys seen people building there own style booth outdoors with blue tarps and 2x4s?? Rent a compressor and go to home depot and get a 43.00 husky paint gun. Who says you need a big facility or a booth to do a good job?? If you do your prep right and like blazin said pick your day accordingly meaning not to hot not to cold and very low humidity.Tackle a paint job is easy.Just gotta be patient and dont go to slow but not fast.Rustoleum was never designed for automotive use and truthfully it belongs on other things rather then vehicles.Just try the single stage routine like summit racing paint line or nason or kirker single stage w/o metallic cause its a PITA to spray.But best thing is to have confidence and you`ll be amazed on what you can do..
thanks
pat
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Definitly something to think about...
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Yea, I used to paint large passenger jets(A320s, 737, 767, 757, 747 etc) and we painted them in fairly poor conditions(compared to autos) the money spent on the tarp and renting a compressor would definetely be worth the extra money to me.
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Thats what i do for a living(paint planes) and the conditions are ok since its a hangar and still the booths we use are so outdated its not even funny.as well as the lighting.
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pat
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Not to rob this thread but yea our lighting was so awful, we had to polish the covers when we got slow one time because they were to cheap to actually install more lights ithe whole job was ridiculous I wasnt to upset to get laid off.
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I checked out the Valspar tractor paint at tractor supply. they offer a low gloss black. i may go with that after seeing the good job that the guy in TX did w/this paint on his TA.
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If you do it, post pics buddy
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Well I see a Rustoleum job on an 86 K2500 yesterday. A buddy of mine did his truck. I can say it was all one color!! ::)
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you gonna roll it? or you going to spray it?
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Spray.
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you gonna roll it? or you going to spray it?
I don't know about that roll on technique, it worked for Hot Rod magazine, it probally wouldn't work for real people though.
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Yea when we rolled touchup spots on aircraft the problem even with flattening agents is that it orange peels always. A foam roller would be the way to go, and also have alot of them because when painting they will fall apart.
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Transtar makes foam rollers for automotive application that don't fall apart.
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the problem w/rolling per the Hot Rod article is that they had to apply 7 coats and they wet sanded after every coat. could you imagine doing that on a full size pickup? they were painting a ford falcon.
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LOL, no joke huh? A crew cab truck would swallow that little Ford Falcon. They had better luck with the Rustoleum rattlecan scallops!
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4Chevyman,
I live in Coaling, so let me know which paint you decide to go with, I'd like to see the end product. I'm building a 75 LWB Chevy myself. I have a bed lifter and cherry picker if you need to take the bed off to get behind your cab.
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Thanks for the offer, CruzbyU, but I've got a cherry picker. I have taken the truck totally apart, welded in a floor, rocker panels and cab corners from a 86 parts cab, painted the frame, and currently putting bushings and ball joints. The bed was in sad shape--- I patched rust holes behind the wheels 20 years ago, and it has rotted out again. I've got an 84 bed I'm going to use. The truck is a 76 model that my dad bought in 77 from a guy in Boaz that he worked with. It was sitting in my parents yard rotting away, so I talked my dad out of it (sans the motor and trans.). There are a ton of memories attached to the thing, so I've decided to fix it up. Wish I had taken some before pics. Will try to take some this weekend.
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I painted my truck with rusto =S doesnt look half bad from far away.... gives a solid color until i can get a actual paint job on it after college ill try to post some pics