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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Performance => Topic started by: Captkaos on April 29, 2010, 03:51:18 pm
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Any day now Twins should be delivered to us. No, not those twins, this kind of Twins
(http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/c6%20corvette/img_2180.jpg)
I have finally bit the bullet and got a set of twin turbos sent to me so I can mock them up in my truck. Question is, what do ya'll think about the option of offering this as a kit for 73-87 owners?
My thoughts are to mock up a Twin kit that can be switched to a single if the customer so desires and it would be based on a lowered truck factory truck with an LS motor/4L80E (you could put any kind of motor you wanted as the induction side would be basically customizable.)
What do you guys think? sound interesting, or not?
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Sounds great, looks expensive.
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yeah, it won't be very cheap. I am just guessing but it would be about $7500 for the twins and about $4200 for a single.
But it would come with everything and would be bolt on: headers, intake and exhaust tubing (Stainless), all the wiring, turbo/s, intercooler/s, engine mounts, etc...
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very interesting indeed
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Nice............i want one.... i mean two ;D......lol
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Im sure that lots of people would be intresed in this.It sounds like a great idea,and it looks super cool.Plus this kit would have every thing,and for the price thats not to bad.
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interestin or not... it will be fun when it comes together ;D
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Looking forward to seeing how yours comes together. It will be interesting to see how hard it is to tune and bolt up. Doesn't STS have a twin kit for a few late model apps.? I wonder what kind of power and money they run.
If you go through the trouble to make this kit you might as well make a general kit for any BB\SB carb motor as well, it shouldn't be much different and should help offset the cost and make for a quicker regain of money put in.
Only downside I see is turbo lag, for the money\time\power one might be better off with a procharger for instant power and total horse power, it has a great whine but doesn't look near as cool as twins!
Only other thing I can say is anything worth doing is worth doing right.
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We are a dealer for STS, this is where these turbo's came from, and I plan to design the kit to be a complete bolt in operation. Tuning would be done one of 2 ways SCT or HP Tune, or the customer could have it dyno tuned locally.
The RCSB 2000 Pickup we R&D'd STS's Single rear turbo setup on back in 2003 is currently making 535hp and 780lb/ft at the wheel on a stock 6.0L motor (bigger injectors and methanol injection) with about 12lbs of boost. It made 400hp and 510lb/ft on the stock 5.3L with 5lbs. We tune the turbo'd GM's with SCT or HP Tune on a dyno.
The kit will have all the piping required up to the intake track. If there is demand for it on a carb setup, we will definitely add that as an option.
There won't be any turbo lag that you will ever notice. There is no limit to the amount of power a turbo can make other than what the engine can take, with a flip of a button you can go from 7lbs to 14lbs. A crank driven supercharger has limitations of rpm speed, and the requirement of changing pulleys and brackets to make more power. I am pretty sure the single turbo setup will more that outpower a supercharger for the price. The current superchargers run around $5000.
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I voted for interesting but I do wonder how big the demand would be. Like alot of people, I would love to twin turbo my truck or car, but money would be an issue.
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wether i could afford it or not i would be interested in seeing one installed i a like year model to mine. i would also be interested in seeing the power numbers from a carb setup instead of fuel injection
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trick idea but probably out of reach financially for most.
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I think the kit is the way too go. Most guys don't do the research so spending the dough is the only way too do it without blowing the thing up all the time. I could put together a setup for my 502 that would make the same power but it would be ugly, nasty looking and only cost $2500 or less if you know the right guy. But most don't and if your selling parts you don't want them coming back. One thing I have too say though. I like the ls motors but I'm a bigblock guy. So, if your going too do it you should offer something for them too. Something basic. Most won't realize that a turbo will probably make them wet them selves if they have the stuff too hold that too the mat. There's no magazine article I've ever read that can prepare you for real power. And as far as lag, your only going too see it at the strip and that doesn't matter unless you bracket race.
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Not really a fan of STS kits due to the excessive piping used to mount the turbo's remotely as it creates more lag, but i voted for interesting. Would be a cool project to see if/when done.
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As far as offering a kit, i would suggest concentrating on making kits available for camaros, chevelles,etc. first because i think these would be more popular and i'm thinking those owners would be more apt to add a turbo to their car than to a truck. i think it's very interesting myself---i've been fascinated by turbos for at least 8 yrs. BUT, as stated above, if i were going to turbo something, i would sooner do it with a car than a truck.
However, and i don't know how it works retail, if you can come up with the blueprints and then only produce it as the orders come in----in other words you're not spending anything on inventory, then yes, maybe go for it. i can tell you right now that i don't have $7500 to plunk down on a turbo kit right now though. Also, i would be more interested in a carb version but that's just me---i think most people would be more likely to go with the efi version.
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I am putting a twin turbo in my stepside and I can't wait to build it but I think the problem you'll run into with this is the cost factor.
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I'm always interested in watching someone else install twin turbos, but I'd likely never go for such a setup on my truck. Too spendy for me.
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i would definitely be interested. i think it would be cool.
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There is no lag with the STS kits. We have installed them on SEVERAL cars and trucks. This is an inaccurate statement. If you are around here or at a show we have my brothers truck at we will gladly give you a ride. And ben75 it will definitely make you wet yourself if you aren't expecting it. This has happened to a few customers that have ridden in my brothers truck. In addition, you are assuming we are going to mount them in the rear, which most likely in not going to be the case. I just get the turbo's from STS.
I really have no intention on making a kit for anything other than 73-87 trucks though. The kit is something I am insterested in since I have 8 of these in every configuration so I can easily adapt it to any of them when I am done.. The way I plan to make the kit will be so the piping for the majority of the kit will be universal to all trucks and the piece that comes out of the intercooler will be the piece that determines what is on the other end. So if I get it laid out like I want the turbo location will be standard for all kits and will allow for the variations on which motor is in it.
As for non 73-87's, there are several people that can take that on. Now if a customer comes in and wants us to put a Turbo on a Chevelle and are willing to pay for it, sure. We put one on a Ford 2 Door Explorer, so there are no limitations on what we will put them on.
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I think it sounds very interesting. So much so that I've been getting parts for over a year now to do a blowthru on my 85'. Its been done quite a few times if anyone's noticed on youtube, dragtruk, any other sites. From my experience, smaller twins spool a lot faster then a large single and make more power at lower boost levels. The borg warner S300 series would work great for this app and they're not so expensive. Check out the 1200 horse camaro at http://www.bullseyepower.com/racing.asp?id=4.
For my C10 I bought two of these, http://www.agpturbo.com/product.php?productid=16435&cat=333&page=1
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I think there are enough 73-87 trucks out there with enthusiast owners that it could be a viable product. If you could design it so it fit Blazers and 'burbs too then that would open that much more market (like me.) Then all I have to do is win the lottery!
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I have every model offered crew, burb, Regular cab and blazer, and that is definitely the direction I plan to take it.
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Talked to someone this Friday about helping put this setup together. Still waiting on the delivery though. Bump for more feedback.
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I think its a cool idea. I've pondered on building my own single or twin setup on my 86 since the motor that's in it was originaly built for boost about 8:1cr with 64cc heads.
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Cool but by going with the SLP design you limit your market to the RWD only crowd. Not many people are going to want to take the chance of tearing off 7500 everytime they hit the bush to go 4 wheeling. I would only be interested in a total underhood system.
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What does SLP design mean? It won't be RWD only, if I can get it patterned out.
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I think he meant STS.
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heck yeah im all about it it would just sound and be incredible to have a set of twins...lol
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I'm like some of the other Guy's in here. I find it very interesting, but waaaay out of my budget. Looks great though.
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Twins would be sweet, I'll never be able to swing 7500 though, I'm having trouble coming up with 750 to get my 74 out of impound.
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Thanks for the feedback. I will keep everyone posted on the progress.
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I have been a little pre-occupied with pulling a 3800 out of my wifes old Grand Prix, but the twins arrived, just got to get the truck ready for the motor swap and turbo mock up.. Will post pics of the twins later.
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ya it sounds like a real cool kit, and id love to put twins on my 83 small block stepside, but like otheres i think the 7500 bucks is way to expensive, i mean look at sts systems for a 2003 silverado there around 4000, so if there was a way to bring cost down i bet more people would like the idea and buy 8)
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We sell STS kits and 2003 Silverados STS kits are $4000 for ONE turbo, and I am planning to design the kit around one single side and add the second to it mirrored. You won't find a kit for twins and all the piping for sell for $4000.
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well 7500 is just crazy good luck selling them
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If you read the post, you would realize that $7500 is on the high side, but you also have to consider it would be you have a truck with a motor in it and I sell you everything (headers to intake) to twin turbo one. Coming from someone in their mid 20's I can understand your comment though.
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I never really thought about the header part of the kit. That makes it seem a little more reasonable.
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well 7500 is just crazy good luck selling them
I don't know what the going rate would be to acquire all the parts and piece your own kit together, but if it's even in the same ballpark then $7500 is a small price to pay for somebody that wants a setup like that on their truck. I'm not in the market for twin turbos any time soon, but if I was I would buy the kit that was set up for these trucks, by somebody that knows these trucks, who is a click away for tech support when it comes time to hook it up.
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ya know who cares how old i am capt i coould be 5 but it dont mean i have no idea what im talkin about, so take your turb\o kit and shuff it, i guess im the only one that isnt allowed to post what im thinking, everytime i have on anything you may have said or posted, you always come up with some stupid remark who cares how old i am really? why does that matter? do you know me no you dont, so who are you to make a stupid remark about my age, is the reason i say the things i do, im sorry that i f i belive in sonmething im gonna tell you how it is, i dont take crap from no body, and because your older than me you think you can walk all over me well like i said take your turbo kit and shuff it
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ya know who cares how old i am capt i coould be 5 but it dont mean i have no idea what im talkin about, so take your turb\o kit and shuff it, i guess im the only one that isnt allowed to post what im thinking, everytime i have on anything you may have said or posted, you always come up with some stupid remark who cares how old i am really? why does that matter? do you know me no you dont, so who are you to make a stupid remark about my age, is the reason i say the things i do, im sorry that i f i belive in sonmething im gonna tell you how it is, i dont take crap from no body, and because your older than me you think you can walk all over me well like i said take your turbo kit and shuff it
I think your reply is unecessary and shows that you spent a great deal of time thinking that reply out ::) (your grammar is equally impressive). Shuff it? ???
When I was 23 I couldn't afford a $7500 turbo kit and that's how I read it but I'll let Cpt reply before this gets even uglier than it's getting.
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ya it sounds like a real cool kit, and id love to put twins on my 83 small block stepside, but like otheres i think the 7500 bucks is way to expensive, i mean look at sts systems for a 2003 silverado there around 4000, so if there was a way to bring cost down i bet more people would like the idea and buy 8)
You have to factor in the demand need, manufacturing the kit, and what the kit includes. The STS kit only has one turbo and no headers.
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no its done and again i didnt know this was a spelling bee, or english class, who cares if i could afford it or not im allowed to say what i feel about it just like every one else, and for some reason im in the wrong why does it matter how old i am? really can some one tell me why it matters why im 23 or 43, who cares, the response was what i was feeling not a planed one and i had to say what i said because heaven forbid if you swear on here, i cant believe how my age is making you all think im an idiot, im done with forum
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I guess your age has Nothing to do with it because you sure are immature for 23! I'd expect an immature attitude like yours from a 15 year old but 23? I hope you don't act like this in real life. If something someone says bothers you, find a way to express yourself without saying swears if you can handle that (I know it's so hard), make your point using at least proper english and punctuation so you don't sound like a moron who is just having a spaz attack, and have a solution rather than a pointless complaint or learn how to debate an issue without spazzing and running away.
Summary, You don't like something that was said so you through a fit and quit. Do you do that at home? at work? With firends? Family? So I guess to answer your request I hope this clarifies why it matters if you're 23 or 43 because if this is how you react you need some growing up to do.
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ya it sounds like a real cool kit, and id love to put twins on my 83 small block stepside, but like otheres i think the 7500 bucks is way to expensive, i mean look at sts systems for a 2003 silverado there around 4000, so if there was a way to bring cost down i bet more people would like the idea and buy 8)
this is what i said nothing bad, dis respectful, none of that, and because of that i need to grow up, vile im sorry that if something gets under my skin i dont bottle it up and sat nothing, i tell the person whats on my mind, how i see fit, and again i didnt know this forum was about spell check, and good grammer, i dont care if i spelled a word wrong, you still figured out what i said didnt ya, and when i said sts sells a kit for a 03 silverado i know it was for a single turbo because i looked it up for my truck, all i was saying was, if there was a way to keep cost of building the kit down so the price can stay down, more people would jump on board and buy a kit for themselves and because of that remark this happens.
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You spelled grammar wrong. ;)
The point is if you're trying to make a point, make a point without sounding like a fool. Your grammar and your blow out showed that you know how to throw a fit when you don't get your way or aren't understood by everyone from your point of view. Simply put, you can easily say I think it's way too expensive and would rather go with an eBay twin turbo kit since they're only $2,000 bucks or less and I don't see a big market for it. Instead you are appalled by the suggested price and throw your two cents in with the added "tude". The whole point of this thread was to get feedback on a 73-87 twin turbo complete system which this community is dedicated to. Put your two cents in by all means but show some respect especially to the guy that put this site together for us to congregate. Just take a chill and think before you fly off the handle. Words are better spoken when they're well thought out.
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i dont take crap from no body, and because your older than me you think you can walk all over me well like i said take your turbo kit and shuff it
Easy killer. You are on Capt.'s site, and he has probably forgotten more about these trucks than you or I will ever know.
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I was thinking the same as 1983stepside at first, but I'm 27 and I don't have that kind of money to invest at the time(hopefully next year I will). After actually thinking about it for a bit, this would actually work out pretty good. A local guy does turbo installs and I'm not 100% sure on the prices, but I thought he charged $1000 in labor, then there's the $4000 single turbo kit, then there's $500+ in hidden costs for odds'n'ends. I'd say anything less than $7000 for a good fitting twin setup would be a good deal. I'd go for it if I weren't so stuck on my carbed "all motor" setup for next year.
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Key point here was 7500 is on the high side and I was talking about $tainle$$ $teel Piping, mild steel will be cheaper.
As for every post he made I have a negative comment, I think we can search that, I have never negatively responded to anyone and if I did, I am sure you knew it as it was offline. And I have about 10 PM's and emails asking for advice directly from you.
That said.. I am a dealer for STS, I have installed a few of these kits, and I can assure you once you GET the STS kit for $4000, there is at least $1500 not accounted for including the labor.
As for the Mid 20 comment, it was meant as I know where you are coming from. When I was in my 20's there is NO WAY I would spend that kind of money on anything. That is all...
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That's the way I took it Capt. That's some serious bank for me, but all in all, it sounds like a good deal