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Title: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on October 26, 2010, 06:20:14 pm
The body work is coming along nicely on my 84.  We did run into a few unexpected issues around the windshield but other than that it has been pretty much what we expected.  The truck should be done by thanksgiving I hope. Here are some updated pictures. Lessons learned so far, I already regret not buying a full bed skin for the drivers side. Having 3 patches on that side, front rear and above the tire is too much work that will just come back soon anyway. The new aftermarket drivers door was not exactly what you'd call a direct fit either. It took a full date to massage it into alignment.  Aside from that and the rust under the cowl panel we are in good shape.  

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3263/1669/33155834012_large.jpg)
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Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: fitz on October 26, 2010, 10:30:10 pm
The new aftermarket drivers door was not exactly what you'd call a direct fit either.


What brand of aftermarket door dod you use?
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on October 28, 2010, 06:51:23 pm
I'm not sure who the company was that built it but it came from competitor trucks.  They probably bought it from somebody in china...
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on October 30, 2010, 07:05:33 am
It looks like the drivers side of the bed is going to be too bad to repair.  I already have the patch panels for above the tire, behind and in front of the tire, which would have been enough work to do right.  After pulling the bed side rails, tool box and left rear brake light we've found a bunch more rot than we expected and it is just not reasonable to try to cut and replace that much metal in places that will be that visible.  

The rest of the bed is in really good shape though, inside is flawless, and the passenger side is good too, so I'm thinking buying a bed skin for the drivers side is the most reasonable option.  Problem is I don't see anyone that lists a part number for a shortbed drivers bedskin for an 84 with the square fuel door.  I only see a panel for 73-78 and another for 79-80.  Could I get by with one of those?  What is the difference between the side of a 79-80 bed and my 84 bed?  Any difference at all?
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: three8six on October 30, 2010, 10:12:54 am
The gas lid holes are different is all I know. Also its not really a skin, its really the entire side of the bed. Not sure but thats prolly why your not finding it.
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: 78 Chevyrado on October 30, 2010, 11:33:58 am
Before you paint it, put the new weatherstripping around the door opening on and check the doors fit then.  sometimes the top of the door needs to be bent inwards a bit and its a lot less scary to do if there's not new paint on it.
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: VileZambonie on October 30, 2010, 10:52:54 pm
Keystone lists it for $244.55 w/o the fuel door. 73-87 will all interchange. The only major difference is the round, square or no fuel opening. You can fabricate your old one into the new panel if it's still in tact.
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Cody1018 on November 06, 2010, 12:56:50 pm
A good way to fix the rust around where the window rubber sits is to take some sheet metal and form it to the shape, put some tar on the side that you wont see, drill some holes and pop rivet it to the truck. My truck had the same exact problem with rust there.


Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: 75ChevyGuy on November 08, 2010, 01:04:55 pm
Holy moly! Thats alot of rust and rot. I take it it's seen a few to many winters?
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on November 10, 2010, 06:24:16 pm
It never saw any winters, it has been a southern truck all its life. It was kept on an island on the NC coast which is where the salt spray from the ocean came into play causing all that rot.  It is all fixed now except the drivers bed side.  I finally found the bed skin I needed with the square gas hole at a place in Kansas City.  It is on its way in shipping right now and we hope to have it on by the end of next week so we can get it into paint by the weekend.

All the rest of the truck is done except the left side of the bed.  We did take the advice of checking for door fitment issues with the rubbers installed prior to paint, and it seems to be a good tight fit up top and down on the bottom, which is pretty remarkable considering how much work it was to get that aftermarket replacement door straightened out and to make the seams match.  It was twisted pretty bad  in shipping.

We already sprayed the inside of the cab and have most of the interior back in, all glass is back in except the rear glass which still needs a gasket, and everything is prepped and ready for paint once we get the bed ready.  I'm just so excited to finally get this done.  It has been a dream of mine for many years to do this truck right and it is finally coming true! 
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: topp on November 10, 2010, 08:04:36 pm
A good way to fix the rust around where the window rubber sits is to take some sheet metal and form it to the shape, put some tar on the side that you wont see, drill some holes and pop rivet it to the truck. My truck had the same exact problem with rust there.




And when the rot you covered spreads that piece you put on there will fall off..
Thats not a fix, but a temporary patch...
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Cody1018 on November 10, 2010, 08:32:47 pm
And when the rot you covered spreads that piece you put on there will fall off..
Thats not a fix, but a temporary patch...

Its something you do when you dont have the money to fix it right...
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on November 20, 2010, 06:36:26 am
Well this project is one I'm investing quite a bit of money in and trying to make sure all the repairs are done to the highest standards.  Any part that had rust that could be replaced with a new part got replaced.  Any placed that had rust and the entire panel couldn't be completely replaced, we cut the rust completely out and patched with new sheet metal.  Unfortunately that means it has taken going on 60 days longer than I expected, and I'm about $3500 over my projected budget, not counting labor.  

This week I found that the rear window gasket that came with my weatherstrip kit doesn't fit the factory sliding rear window, and in fact the gasket I need has been discontinued so there is no way of keeping the factory chrome trim in the middle of that rubber strip around the glass.  I had to buy a complete new sliding glass.  Not a big deal I guess but I really wanted to keep it as original as possible and losing that trim piece just pisses me off. 

The very next day we finally got the drivers side bed skin fully properly mounted (we just had it tacked in place while we touched up a ding from shipping before) and once we tried to shut the tailgate it scraped a little. No big deal right? Well once I stood back by the brake light and looked across the top of the tailgate I noticed why.  The dang tailgate is bowed in the middle, like someone sat a car engine on it right in the center with the tailgate down. I can't believe I never noticed it before, so I had to order a new tailgate too.  Yet another set back, more money I hadn't planned to spend, and more time wasted waiting for parts.  It just never seems to stop.

Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on November 21, 2010, 06:00:52 pm
Finally got some color on.  The cab and bed are finally blue again.  All we have to do now is move some stuff around and retape for the 2nd color.  It is a blue / silver 2 tone paint scheme.  Hopefully be ready to shoot the silver and start reassembly by mid week. 

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3263/1669/33155834015_large.jpg)
Title: Re: FInally got some paint on!
Post by: rainman15 on November 26, 2010, 09:19:27 am
My buddy just sent me these pictures. He finally got the 2 tone done.  Reassembly starts next week and I will hopefully be riding again the week after that.

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Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: 80stepsideguy on November 26, 2010, 10:40:32 am
And when the rot you covered spreads that piece you put on there will fall off..
Thats not a fix, but a temporary patch...

Its something you do when you dont have the money to fix it right...

Save the money and have it done right.Go find a donar truck. cut what you need, and weld it in by a body shop or a person that has a welder.Your going to make matters worse by that bubble gum repair..
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: 80stepsideguy on November 26, 2010, 10:42:58 am
BTW that truck looks great man, i like it, you did a sweet job on the body n the color choice... :o

thanks
pat
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Cody1018 on November 26, 2010, 11:44:06 am
And when the rot you covered spreads that piece you put on there will fall off..
Thats not a fix, but a temporary patch...

Its something you do when you dont have the money to fix it right...

Save the money and have it done right.Go find a donar truck. cut what you need, and weld it in by a body shop or a person that has a welder.Your going to make matters worse by that bubble gum repair..

Im not starting body work until spring. Just looking to make it through winter and be drivable and reliable...
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Teamchevy on November 29, 2010, 05:33:18 pm
Truck's looking gooood rainman15! I like your idea of the cart to move the box around. Do you have a clearer picture of it?

Dave
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on November 30, 2010, 08:01:50 am
Yes I have a bunch of pictures but I'm having some problems with my home computer and I can't hook anything (camera's etc) up to my network at work because it is a military system and they have a cow if someone tries to upload stuff on their servers.  Hopefully I'll be able to post them next week.

The bed base coat was sprayed with it on the cart so we could get the front of the bed and back of the cab without obstruction. The bed was loosely set on the frame with about a 6 inch gap when we sprayed the 2nd color. My buddy spent all day yesterday color sanding and buffing. I thought it looked fine straight out the gun but he is a perfectionist and wanted to get it slicker.

My new rear bumper came without any mounting hardware and nothing from the stock bumper would carry over so I had to buy a mounting kit yesterday.  The new sliding rear window is in and it looks great.  I'm actually glad I had to buy it now.  All the exterior trim is back on.  I bought new door mirrors so we need to measure and drill holes to mount, so that is the project for today while we wait for the bumper mounting kit.  I should be driving it again by Saturday.

Another thing I have learned now that the paint is done, trim that looked "decent" before with the old paint now looks like crap against the new paint. Items like the cargo light trim and lense, wheel opening trim, and the brake light lenses and trim are faded and weathered much worse than I originally thought, so that means yet another parts order is going to happen...
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Teamchevy on November 30, 2010, 03:21:49 pm
Yes I have a bunch of pictures but I'm having some problems with my home computer and I can't hook anything (camera's etc) up to my network at work because it is a military system and they have a cow if someone tries to upload stuff on their servers.  Hopefully I'll be able to post them next week.

Thanks - I'd like to see more pictures when you get everything working!  :)

The bed base coat was sprayed with it on the cart so we could get the front of the bed and back of the cab without obstruction. The bed was loosely set on the frame with about a 6 inch gap when we sprayed the 2nd color. My buddy spent all day yesterday color sanding and buffing. I thought it looked fine straight out the gun but he is a perfectionist and wanted to get it slicker.

My new rear bumper came without any mounting hardware and nothing from the stock bumper would carry over so I had to buy a mounting kit yesterday.  The new sliding rear window is in and it looks great.  I'm actually glad I had to buy it now.  All the exterior trim is back on.  I bought new door mirrors so we need to measure and drill holes to mount, so that is the project for today while we wait for the bumper mounting kit.  I should be driving it again by Saturday.

Another thing I have learned now that the paint is done, trim that looked "decent" before with the old paint now looks like crap against the new paint. Items like the cargo light trim and lense, wheel opening trim, and the brake light lenses and trim are faded and weathered much worse than I originally thought, so that means yet another parts order is going to happen...

Sounds like it's shopping time!!  8) I imagine that'll happen done the road to me as well!  ;)

Dave
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on December 02, 2010, 09:59:43 am
Mounted the new mirrors last night, did the pinstripe, put on the new lower moldings, installed all the lights and wheel well trim and moved it outside this morning for a look at the new paint in the sun.

Will mount the rear bumper and the hood later today.  The hood had a nice fish eye right in the center that was really deep so it couldn't be color sanded out so that had to be redone.

After I get it back to my house I'm going to give it a complete detail inside and out and use my wifes "good" camera to take better pictures.  I'm so excited to finally be wrapping this up!

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3263/1669/33155834019_large.jpg)

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3263/1669/33155834020_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Teamchevy on December 04, 2010, 11:28:09 am
Very nice rainman15! Must feel great to have it all coming together!!

Dave
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: rainman15 on December 04, 2010, 07:06:34 pm
All done!  I drove down to the Outer Banks last night with my son to drop off our boat at our other house, and on the way back we stopped to pick up the truck.  I'm so happy with the way it came out.  I will continue to put the finishing touches I've discussed in previous updates on it over the next few weeks. The drive and ferry ride back was a lot of fun.  It was nice driving the old truck again.  Here are our pictures from today. I haven't detailed it yet, drove it straight out of the shop through a bunch of mud after we were done color sanding and buffing.  Detailing begins tomorrow if it warms up.

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Pleased??? dang right!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Steve
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Captkaos on December 04, 2010, 07:10:11 pm
AWESOME!
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Teamchevy on December 05, 2010, 10:10:10 am
Great job rainman15! Enjoy!!

Dave
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Bitzer! on December 06, 2010, 04:23:52 pm


that is a quality looking truck dude!

lil mule not bad either  ;)
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Grim 82 on December 06, 2010, 06:12:59 pm
Well done. It was cool before, but now it looks showroom. That color scheme has always been my favorite.
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: VileZambonie on December 06, 2010, 08:19:52 pm
Boy that paint job looks familiar!

Good job
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Jim Rockford on December 25, 2010, 12:30:46 pm
Best paint scheme ever....Nice work.
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: 78 Chevyrado on December 25, 2010, 02:40:42 pm
That came out Excellent!  I know you're proud!
Title: Re: Found rust in all of the usual places, and in a few we didn't expect
Post by: Jim Rockford on December 31, 2010, 08:44:15 am
Its something you do when you dont have the money to fix it right...

We have an old saying in Aircraft maintenance  "If you got time to do it twice,You have time to do it right the first time."