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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Engine/Drivetrain => Topic started by: Russ130 on December 04, 2010, 06:54:33 pm
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Had a Chevy van come in the shop the other day leaking oil. They said it was a bad sending unit. So I put it on the lift and get under it and the filter has the rubber seal oozing out the side where it mounts to the motor. I figured another double seal from someone not paying attention during an oil change. So I unscrew the filter which was on nice and tight and low and behold no second rubber seal. So it looks like the fram filter just plain failed. It was less than 1000 mi. old since the last oil change which this company does religeously. Anyhow to make a long story short the motor has at least one wasted lifter and sounds like a knock that comes and goes not like a rod or main but more muffled. I was totally suprised they still wanted to fix the mounts that were bad even though the motor is probably junk.
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I agree stay away from fram! I stick with delco
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Not sure whats going on with the filters you guys buy from Fram but me and my dad have never had any problems with them.
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What most likely happened was the seal was not full seated when whoever installed it cranked it on. I've seen it happen plenty of times....
I used to work in a shop the used Quaker State oil filters. They were green Fram filters but we never had a problem with them.
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I have used fram since 1986 and have NEVER had one leak....
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Same here,seen a few of those Fram filter let go on performance engines.Seems like the case itself is not strong.
We took about 10 oil filters appart just a few days ago to see who has what in their filters.
Fram,AC Delco, Mopar,Ford,Carquest,Royal purple, NAPA, etc.....
The Royal Purple is a very good filter,I'd say it's a number 2 in my book.Guess which one we think it's number one.
NAPA Gold, has the best quality that I've seen so far. I did not expect that either.......
Case is strong,has the spring inside to preload the filter,the filter itself it top quality,and the bypass valve is made of silicone and not rubber.
The only thing that was wrong with the Royal Purple,it did not have a preload spring,most of the filters has a bent piece of metal between the case and the filter to preload the filter,sometimes the piece of metal gets flat during a cold start(especially the engine that pushes 80+ psi,when that happends,the oil bypasses the filter,and does not clean the oil.The Royal Purple has that bent piece of metal and not the preload spring.
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I'm not bashing Fram here just saying what I ran into the other day. I've seen all brands of filters leak over the years usually from not being tight enough. Just never seen this type of failure before unless like I said someone put the new filter on while the rubber from the old filter was stuck to the block. Might be human era but might not be too.
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I use K&N religiously and have never had an issue. I tend to keep one in the vehicle I'm driving in case I end up at a jiffy lube.
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NAPA Gold, has the best quality that I've seen so far. I did not expect that either.......
The Napa Gold filters are made by Wix. They're about the best filters you can buy.
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I can’t count how many people would come in to AutoZone and ask for an oil filter wrench I would suggest the one I carry in my box it has three claws on it that only grip when you take off a filter and they work for all sizes of filters. then they would say what about putting it on I would tell them your not supposed to use a wrench to put it on just take it off cause this will happen. And for some reason they still would buy the filter to put on the filter
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Wix
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Gotta say the Fram Extended Gaurd oil filter is the one I have used on my '77 C-10, my '04 Monte and many other vehicles for years and never had a problem....
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Just because you haven't had a problem doesn't mean there is no risk. Fram's filters are pretty notorious for a lot of reasons. One, they use cardboard end caps glued in place instead of metal. Two, they use inferior anti-drainback valves that stick open letting all the oil drain out of your engine when sitting overnight. Three, they use inferior rubber seals that blow all your oil out on the road.
Plenty of horror stories are out there. You just have to look for them.
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html#fram (http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html#fram)
http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/fram.shtml (http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/fram.shtml)
http://www.kia-forums.com/2g-2005-2010-sportage/32248-fram-oil-filter-failure.html (http://www.kia-forums.com/2g-2005-2010-sportage/32248-fram-oil-filter-failure.html)
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f19/no-more-fram-oil-filters-me-589979/ (http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f19/no-more-fram-oil-filters-me-589979/)
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=192473 (http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=192473)
You're only going to know you have a problem after your engine is gone, so why risk it for the couple dollars you might save? You could wait until you have a story like this guy's
http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/66045-fram-oil-filter-failure/ (http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/66045-fram-oil-filter-failure/)
or you can switch to a good filter like Wix now. I, for one, take too much care fixing my stuff to throw it all away on a crummy part that fails and takes out my engine.
Stepping off my soapbox now...
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Well I use a fram filter and Pennzoil in my truck mater fact all my vehicles I do that. my engine in my truck has help me blow up a th350, a 10 bolt rear, a couple axle shafts and new to the victims list a adapter plate for the transfer case. Now iv had this engine for the past 8 or so years she still runs strong and holds her oil pressure pretty good. The only thing that leaks is the rear main seal lol
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Just because you haven't had a problem doesn't mean there is no risk.
Couldn't have said it better myself. For the record I have avoided Fram filters ever since learning about some of the things you described a couple years back. Just glad it was someone elses motor that is toast and not mine because a filter failed.
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If your filter is clogged and fails you can only blame yourself or an unforseen event that sent a lot of garbage through the engine. A filter is to help prevent it's not intended to save your engine when parts fail.
We can physically bash every manufacturer out there but the truth is they all have failures. I have a WIX filter on the shelf in one of my classrooms that we cut open that had been assembled incorrectly.
I had a student put on a purolator filter about year ago that was leaking and upon closer inspection it was the seam at the base that was leaking.
There have also been many documented cases of counterfeit oil filters especially AC-delco
http://www.aftermarketsuppliers.org/images/counterfeit/slides/oil%20filters.html
(http://www.aftermarketsuppliers.org/images/counterfeit/slides/oil%20filters.jpg)
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Napa Gold, aka Wix, for me. Been using those for at least 10 years now since reading about the Frams.
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Just because you haven't had a problem doesn't mean there is no risk.
Couldn't have said it better myself. For the record I have avoided Fram filters ever since learning about some of the things you described a couple years back. Just glad it was someone elses motor that is toast and not mine because a filter failed.
Chevys have had recalls in the past, yet you still drive one....
Driving has risks, yet you still drive....
I use Fram filters and twice I used Napa Golds.
It all comes down to the individual, and looking at the new part, and not assuming it came from the factory without a possible defect.
I inspect every new part on every vehicle I work on. If it doesn't look right, I go back to the store.
That is the only way to minimize failure.
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Just because you haven't had a problem doesn't mean there is no risk.
Couldn't have said it better myself. For the record I have avoided Fram filters ever since learning about some of the things you described a couple years back. Just glad it was someone elses motor that is toast and not mine because a filter failed.
Chevys have had recalls in the past, yet you still drive one....
Driving has risks, yet you still drive....
I use Fram filters and twice I used Napa Golds.
It all comes down to the individual, and looking at the new part, and not assuming it came from the factory without a possible defect.
I inspect every new part on every vehicle I work on. If it doesn't look right, I go back to the store.
That is the only way to minimize failure.
Yep, well said
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Wow, So I make a post to warn people about a potential hazard to their vehicles and I'm the bad guy.
Go ahead and buy Fram filters I could care less I have nothing to gain either way. I know I won't because I saw with my own 2 eyes a fram filter that failed not because it was installed wrong or because they have sludge in their motor or any other human factor. It failed and thats all there is to it like it or not simple as that. SO WHATEVER!!
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Wow, So I make a post to warn people about a potential hazard to their vehicles and I'm the bad guy.
Go ahead and buy Fram filters I could care less I have nothing to gain either way. I know I won't because I saw with my own 2 eyes a fram filter that failed not because it was installed wrong or because they have sludge in their motor or any other human factor. It failed and thats all there is to it like it or not simple as that. SO WHATEVER!!
No one said that.
What was said is that every product has had a recall at one time or another.
There are RISKS in purchasing ANY mass produced product.
The best we can all do is to be OBSERVANT when we install them.
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Wow, So I make a post to warn people about a potential hazard to their vehicles and I'm the bad guy.
Go ahead and buy Fram filters I could care less I have nothing to gain either way. I know I won't because I saw with my own 2 eyes a fram filter that failed not because it was installed wrong or because they have sludge in their motor or any other human factor. It failed and thats all there is to it like it or not simple as that. SO WHATEVER!!
I personally don't use Fram because they seem to be very poorly made by design. But even the very best brands send out a dud from time to time.
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I haven't used a fram filter since I first put oil in my freshly rebuilt engine and I couldn't get any oil pressure. The fram filter used a teflon substance inside it and after a few seconds of spinning my oil pump with a drill, it clogged and gave me no pressure. Threw an AC Delco and new oil in it and it worked fine.
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Look Russ just like you posted your opinion about the filters we all did the same some agree with you and some don’t. its just like someone coming on here and saying fords are better than chevys do you really think a chevy lover would care about a ford just because of fuel tanks. I know with me even if you tell me something like a fram is a bad filter it will fall apart or blow off the truck I wont listen unless it happens to me then I would be like I should of listen to you lol. All in all its good to see this information but I need to see it for my self. I know when I worked at AutoZone we would see something’s that would be bad right off the shelf. It never stopped me from buying from autozone. It’s all about quality control when it comes to mass produced items.
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I would,nt put a fram filter on a lawn mower engine lol
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I've been using purolator filters. No problems yet. I cut most of them open when I'm done with them and found no problems so far.
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What do you guys think of royal purple oil filters? also what is the best oil filter?
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I like K&N's mostly because of the 1" nut they have on them. Real easy to change my oil in the citation
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OK I have used k-n filters but I couldn.t find the longer one that holds a little more oil. You have seen them on larger trucks with a big block in them, ac has them. along with wix,
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you can run into problems with any product. Bottom line, noone is 100 percent.
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Wix or Napa (Made by WIX) only, AC dlecos have turned to junk, and fram hasn't been decent since the 70's, worst thing about rams is if they don't leak, or let the filter element get sucked up and clog a oil passage, it doesn't filter the dang oil. the media is so corse it couldn't filter out gravel.