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General Site Info => General Discussion => Topic started by: 1979C20 on January 14, 2011, 11:39:47 am
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I found these on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140498842069&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140498842069&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT)
They seem like a really good deal and I'm planning on buying them. Their one of the cheapest sets I could find. My question is, would they mount just like a normal 6024 headlight? I have replaced a standard sealed beam before, but I havent dealt with the conversions so I dont know if they mount the same way. I'm going to buy these housings now and then buy an HID conversion kit in the next few days-week or so. I just want some BRIGHT headlights.
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you'll lose your high beams if you go HID.
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Those use a standard H4 bulb, so High beam is still available. These are not HID, they are Projectors. If you want the true HID look at these kits:
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/Apexcone-Raptor-HID-Kit
But you will need new headlights like are available from several different vendors, like this one:
http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=1033
I have never run a set myself, but plan to. I have heard great reviews from those that have run them.
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My grandpa got HID for his bday he used em for about 3 months and bought stock replacements cause they sucked. I would stick with a xenon upgrade and leave it at that. HIDs are junk.
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I would think the chrome housings would reflect a little more light as well.
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I have yet to find a vehicle with headlights brighter than mine. I have the 89-91 quad lights, replacement sylvania bulbs and a relay so all 4 are on with the high beams, nothing comes even close. I will try the projectors as soon as these burn out. Hopefully they are even better.
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Well, these are just projector housing with the h4 bulb. But, there are hid conversion kits that convert the standard h4 to hid. I just need to know how to mount the projector conversion housong.
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It should mount just like the stock headlight.
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Okay. Ordered them, paying for them tonight or tomorrow, should be like 3 days shipping. I willbpost pics of the installing and with them on. Maybe you guys will like them.
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please do
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Paid for them last night, the will be shipped from the 20th to the 23rd. I'll take before and afters, lights on and hi low at night. I found a set installed and a 73-87 on google images, heres the link. They are BRIGHT!! I love them.
http://c10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5467 (http://c10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5467)
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Okay, I just recently found how to get the pictures off of my new phone, so I will post the install and the before and afters. I started out with Sylvania Halogens.
Low beam
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19184115.jpg)
Low beam with fogs
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19184306.jpg)
High beam
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19184331.jpg)
High beam with fogs
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19184323.jpg)
High beams head on
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19184208.jpg)
The conversions....
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19185833.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19185857.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19185919.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19185940.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19190009.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19190045.jpg)
The install...
First, remove your headlight bezel and original bulb
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19191934.jpg)
I went ahead and replaced the plastic grommets for the adjustment screws
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19185314.jpg)
Re-mount the headlight bucket
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19185726.jpg)
Put the ring around the conversion light
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19191958.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19192015.jpg)
And install into bucket just like a standard replacement
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19191636.jpg)
Install the wires just like normal, I had to remove them from the plastic clip, because it was contoured to the shape of a sealed beam.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19191655.jpg)
And if you want, hook these wires into your parking light circuit or to a separate switch, I left mine unhooked for now.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-01-19191712.jpg)
Re install your bezel and adjust, and Enjoy. Here are some after photos. I got the black housing, because it is a projector housing and it DOES NOT rely on reflection. The projector lens in the middle magnifies the light into a flat beam onto the road, and the housing kind of reflects light, but it mostly relies on the lens. The bulbs they sent me were very dim, as they had a blue film around them. So I replaced them with a 15$ set of Sylvania H4 bulbs(the bulb type the housing accepts) and it is like 5 times as bright. Yet, the projector design is intended for use with HID lights. So, standard halogen do them zero justice. I am ordering an HID kit in the next week or so, as I hate having dim lights. ONE of my 65w 20$ pair of fog/driving lights is brighter than my High beams. )= So, I ordered HIDs and I put 100w bulbs in my fog lights to help get me by.
How the housing lights up, in person, this is how it always looks, even looking head on. Unless you look into the direct beam of the projector lens.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-02-19223126.jpg)
Low beams head on
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-02-19222958.jpg)
Low beams on road(brighter in person)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-02-19223026.jpg)
High beams head on
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-02-19223103.jpg)
High beams on road(once again, brighter in person)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-02-19223040.jpg)
I will post back with HID install. I will be ordering the BI-Xenon Bulbs, which allow for High and Low beams. And I will be ordering 12000k, which is purple. Just for sake of self preservation, I would rather not argue with anyone on the legality of purple headlights, I'm going to buy them either way. Haha. Thanks for reading.
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Also, i ordered my HID kit tonight. Should ship from March 1-3. That is if theres no problems like the last kit I ordered and the ended up being out of stock. I got REALLY lucky. I ordered them right before the poster updated his listing. The were originally $48 and were on sale for $38 with free shipping. An hour or so after I bought them, he updated his post to original price $79 sale price $63 with free shipping. LUCKY.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140349031180&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140349031180&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
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...And I will be ordering 12000k, which is purple. Just for sake of self preservation, I would rather not argue with anyone on the legality of purple headlights, I'm going to buy them either way. Haha. Thanks for reading.
Or the legality of the HID kit that you are going to install, the complex reflectors you just installed, or the 100 W bulbs! As a side note there are legal Complex Reflectors with the replaceable bulbs out there for the 7" round headlamps. I know the ones from Hella are legal. Truck-lite also makes a legal 7" round as well which uses a sealed HB5 bulb.
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I'm not saying anything about the legality of it, as if i wanted them I'd buy them too ;D, but the HIGHER the color temperature, the LOWER the actual light output. For example, the lowest color temp headlight is the yellow ones. They put out more usable light than any higher temp. By usable light I mean usable by the human eye. Human eyes are attuned to see best with the light the yellow lights put out.
Some of those 10K+ lights are pretty dim looking or have a shorter beam down the road compared to say a 5000k light. I have 6000k or so in mine. I just wanted it blue enough to not have a brownish noticeable color like stock lights.
Good luck and have fun with it!
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My headlight housings are not DOT approved, their a euro lens. So there is rule 1 broken. But, hids are designed for use in a projector housing, which is what I have.
Also, I know about the color temp to lumen ratio. The 3600k yellow are about 1800 lumens, the 6000k are 2600 lumens, the 8-10,000k are about 2300 lumens and the 12000k are I believe 2100 lumens. My budy has 30,000k pink/purple headlights and 3600k yellow fogs on his super crew. The 30,000k are like 2000 lumens. Its not a big or noticeable difference. But they all look great. If I can find better fog lights then the 20 dollar ones ill buy the kit for them.
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I wouldn't call that a projector. Maybe who ever is selling them is labelling them as a projector, but just because it has a convex lens in front of the bulb I wouldn't call it a projector. Not a Euro lens either (if it was it would have an E-code on the lens). Just some poorly designed aftermarket housing. I'm sure it probably puts out a lot of light, but where is it putting the light?
I design headlamps so if I am asking a bunch of questions or saying a bunch of stuff, don't take offense, I'm just accutely aware of all the poorly designed stuff that is out there.
As to color temperature...the Photopic region (light adapted eye) is most sensitive around 555 nm wavelength which is a greenish color. The Scotopic (dark adapted eye) is most sensitive around 500 nm wavelength which is a shift towards the blue spectrum. There is a shift in the eye at night to using more of your cone receptors in your retina which are more responsive to blue light. Research has also shown that bluish light at night helps to reduce eye strain and fatigue; so you feel less tired while driving at night. We are not talking about those 'blue' halogen lights here, but rather higher color temperature bulbs that are shifted towards the blue spectrum.
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I wouldn't call that a projector. Maybe who ever is selling them is labelling them as a projector, but just because it has a convex lens in front of the bulb I wouldn't call it a projector. Not a Euro lens either (if it was it would have an E-code on the lens). Just some poorly designed aftermarket housing. I'm sure it probably puts out a lot of light, but where is it putting the light?
I design headlamps so if I am asking a bunch of questions or saying a bunch of stuff, don't take offense, I'm just accutely aware of all the poorly designed stuff that is out there.
As to color temperature...the Photopic region (light adapted eye) is most sensitive around 555 nm wavelength which is a greenish color. The Scotopic (dark adapted eye) is most sensitive around 500 nm wavelength which is a shift towards the blue spectrum. There is a shift in the eye at night to using more of your cone receptors in your retina which are more responsive to blue light. Research has also shown that bluish light at night helps to reduce eye strain and fatigue; so you feel less tired while driving at night. We are not talking about those 'blue' halogen lights here, but rather higher color temperature bulbs that are shifted towards the blue spectrum.
After sone researching, you are quite correct. It is not a true projector. But, it does project the ligt
ht in mostly a flat line. It is not an ellipsoidal projector, like I want. The lense in the front really doesnt do much of anything, but im looking into retrofitting OEM projectors from a lexus or something into my housings! Also, I got my hids installed, and will get pictures up soon. Heres a teaser with all of my lights.
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Spaceship...
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Haha. Yeah, if you look at it from a distance, its a big smiley face. I'm going to turn my KC lights into Angry Eyes by black taping the inside upper corners so they slant in a little.
Kinda like this, but not as crappy.
(http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r399/troybrockman/stuff%20for%20sale/DSCF0052.jpg)
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Okay, I couldnt get pictures of the actual installation because my friend was hounding me to put the camera down and just install them. But I will go out and take some pictures of how everything was installed in a couple of days. For now I have some comparison pictures. And a couple of random pictures of my variety of lights. now, My HID bulbs came with a metal shroud on them, it directed all of the light upwards. I removed that shroud, and I have before and after of with and without shroud. The no shroud pics look a bit bluer because they werent quite warmed up yet.
Head on with shroud
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-07203808.jpg)
Head on no shroud
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001356.jpg)
Above with shroud
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-10214400.jpg)
Above no shroud
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-12211439.jpg)
Head on close with shroud
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-10214412.jpg)
Head on close no shroud
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-12211458.jpg)
The High and low beams dont look different head on, Because They DO NOT get brighter, They move foreward and backward, which changes where the light projects. So when you hit the highs, the light just projects Up more.
Low beam in cab
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001225.jpg)
Low beam head on
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001356.jpg)
High beam in cab
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High beam head on
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001325.jpg)
Headlights on ground
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-22004209.jpg)
Headlights with 100w fogs on ground
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001420.jpg)
Headlights with fogs far
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001435-1.jpg)
Headlights with fogs close
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001450.jpg)
Headlights with 120w KC's on ground
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001517.jpg)
Headlights with KC's far
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001529.jpg)
Headlights with KC's close
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001537.jpg)
Headlights with 120w KC's and 100w Fogs on ground
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001553.jpg)
Headlights with KC's and Fogs far
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001605.jpg)
Headlights with KC's and Fogs close
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-16001613.jpg)
I made my KC's have "Angry Eyes"
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-22004140.jpg)
You cant tell in the pics, but you can tell in person, Angry eyes far
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-22004047.jpg)
Angry eyes Close
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-22004104.jpg)
Low beams on wall
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-23003702.jpg)
High beams on wall, you can see how the light just moves UP
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-23003642.jpg)
High beams, KC's and Fogs on wall, IDK why my driver KC is all sloppy like that
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-23003623.jpg)
Thats All I have for now, I hope you like the Purple! I certainly do. Ill get pics of the install in a few days. I have to move my battery to show most of the wiring.
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Im sure the cops will like the purple too. The light output looks horrible.
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Actually, a couple of cops have told me they like them in the QuikTrip parking lot. And, the light output IS horrible. But what do you expect for 30 dollar headlight housings, that are black? I'm looking into buying a couple of True projectors off an Acura or Lexus or something to Retrofit into my housings. Once I do that it will be the shizzy.
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Also Beastie, I dont mean to call you our or anything, but why so negative?
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Im not being negative. I am telling you that you will get attention from the police, even if a few of them say they like it. As for the light output, yes it does look horrible. That isnt being negative, its stating my opinion from the pictures I saw. Plus, you are the one that said "I got the black housing, because it is a projector housing and it DOES NOT rely on reflection." So it doesnt matter if you spent 30 or 300 dollars for black housings.
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I'm not going to argue over something so pointless. I made a mistake buying these housing because they were falsely advertised. I was led to believe they were a True projector style housing, but the ended up being a LIE. Although thats how the internet works I guess. Everyone out scamming for money. Oh well, I can a housing that Isnt sealed beam and I also have a great candidate to retrofit with. So far I havent negative attention from cops, Even when giving them a reason to pull me over. I think they would have more of an issue with the dark blue HIDs considering it is Illegal to have Blue or Red on the front of a pedestrian vehicle. heck, I've seen green around my neighborhood several times and they dont seem to be having any cop troubles. My friend who works a QuikTrip and talks to cops all day at work said that the cops told him they have more important things to deal with than write a ticket because of headlights.
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@1979 I think its cool it's different from factory, and cops will just use little things like that to pull you over when they think their is something going on, and even if your lights were factory if they wanted to pull you, they would just say something else.
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If you're going for maximum light output I strongly recommend running your lights through relays if you haven't already. I was amazed at the difference it made on my 82.
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Yeah, im happy with them. I like having a uniqu truck. Thats why I have kcs on the ladder rack and also why I romp it in the desert and race it on the street. And grim, the hid kit I ordered has a relay wored into it. Ill show it when I take pictures of the install.
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I found the old 6054 rock gaurds that my dad took off of the orange jeep a year or so ago. So u pulled em out of the box and put em on my truck.
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During the day. Had quite a number of people staring. You can actuallu see the angry eyes.
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The reflection of all of my lights on the back of an ambulance.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-03-26175026.jpg)
I bought blue 1157 bulbs for my front marker lights from ebay.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01144017.jpg)
Holding them to a light, they are actual blue glass and not tinted.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01144045.jpg)
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(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-04221122.jpg)
I decided to pull my bezels off and paint them black inside.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01144546.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01150551.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01151813.jpg)
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(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01155329.jpg)
Then I polished the chrome.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01155338.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01155348.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01155753.jpg)
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(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01155849.jpg)
Polished all of the chrome.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-01163153.jpg)
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I got 2 more KC lights for the middle spots on my rack.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-04215741.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-04215751.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-04215831.jpg)
How it projects on the wall.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-04221148.jpg)
I put orange bulbs inside of my headlight in the "city light"spot as my marker/turn signal for the front.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-08190752.jpg)
I ordered a set of chrome Headlight housings because the black ones werent cutting it. This time I got the reflector option instead of the "projector" disk.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-28153433.jpg)
EXPONENTIALLY brighter. Sadly my passenger side HID bulb is burning out. But, I should have a warrantied
replacement coming soon.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-28192054.jpg)
Close up with the new housings.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-28192106.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-28192114.jpg)
My buddy Clint gave me his set of yellow HIDs that he took out of his fog lights on his super crew he traded in. So I modified my old fog light housing to fit the bulbs he gave me.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-01012316.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-01012327.jpg)
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(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-01021340.jpg)
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Headlights and fogs
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-01202652.jpg)
Just fogs
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-01202717.jpg)
Just headlights
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-01202736.jpg)
Thats my moms avalanche in the background. And I know the fogs look kind of green, But they are yellow. I need to get more pictures of the headlights and how well they project light. I am going to retrofit TRUE projector housings into my old black headlights.
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mmm doritos...
you should nickname your truck skittles.
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Haha. As of.right now, I have purple, green, yellow, blue, orange, red, and white on my truck. Im going to get green bulbs for my fog lights, because that was my plan from the begining. And then im going to put blue hids on the inside KCs. and yellow ones on the outside KCs. Or vice versa. Just because I can.
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Looks cool but my main concern would be getting picked up by law enforcement. This is the main reason I have not converted mine to HID's. I've heard the fines are pretty stiff if you're caught.
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Ive been pulled over 4 times since I put them on and it was slfor stupid reason like my shaky power steeting making cops think I was under the influence or accusing.me of running a red light through an intersection I havent driven through that day. And they never said anything about my headlights. Theyve mentioned my kc lights and I need to make sure they stay off in the city. And my buddy works at QuikTrip gas station and he talks to cops all the time and they say that headlights are the least of their concerns unless they are blindingly bright. And it is also legal to have red lights or blue lights on the front of your vehicle, you just cannot have both.
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And my buddy works at QuikTrip gas station and he talks to cops all the time and they say that headlights are the least of their concerns unless they are blindingly bright. And it is also legal to have red lights or blue lights on the front of your vehicle, you just cannot have both.
Just because a particular cop says it is the least of their concern, DOESNT mean another cop wont stop you. Speaking from EXPERIENCE, it gives cops a lawful reason to stop you, especially at night. Who is out at night? Drunks and criminals. It is a great way to start a deep investigation.
"A. Front clearance lamps and those marker lamps and reflectors mounted on the front or on the side near the front of a vehicle shall display or reflect an amber color."
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/00931.htm&Title=28&DocType=ARS
"B. A person shall not drive or move a vehicle or equipment on a highway with a lamp or device on the vehicle that is capable of displaying a red or red and blue light or lens visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle. Lights visible from the front of a vehicle shall be amber or white." So no, it isnt legal. Just because it doesnt specify "blue only" lights in the first sentence, it says what color the lights HAVE to be.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/00947.htm&Title=28&DocType=ARS
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I need to upload more pictures since I have hid fog lights now too and I took some more pictures of them. But, I am not breaking any laws. I have no red lights on the front of my truck. The blue marker bulbs are now only my parking lights. And inside of my headlights I have amber color bulbs for my turn signals, and I just need to set them up as my running lights as well. But, he asks numerous cops and it seems that its most precinct's way of doing things in Mesa, Gilbert, and Chandler. But Gilbert cops are striiiiict with everything else.
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Okay. I took a few more pictures to show My lights in different "settings" I guess you could say.
Just headlights side.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03231313.jpg)
Just fog lights on a wall.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230504.jpg)
Fog lights front.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230521.jpg)
Fog lights side.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230952.jpg)
Fog lights and Low Beams on a wall.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230608.jpg)
Fog ligts and Low beams front.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230623.jpg)
Fog lights and Low Beams side
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03231110.jpg)
Fog lights and High Beams on a wall.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230646.jpg)
Fog lights and High Beams front.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230703.jpg)
Fog lights and High Beams side.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03231036.jpg)
Fog Lights and Headllights on ground.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03231124.jpg)
Fog lights, Low Beams, and KC's on a wall.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230835.jpg)
Fog lights, High Beams, and KC's on a wall.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230851.jpg)
Fog Lights, Headlights, and KC's side.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03231225.jpg)
Couple of random pics
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03231250.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03231241.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230804.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230754.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-03230741.jpg)
"Cartoon" mode on my camera.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-09053831.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-05-09053851.jpg)
I also took a couple of vidoes. 1 parked and 2 while driving. Just to give a little more of an idea. I'm not sure why you cant see the lights very well in the video, but I promise you they are bright. Ever since I got the chrome housings and the fog lights I have had like 10 people flash their brights at me. And I return the flashing of brights right back to them. Since then I have angled my headlights down just a tad bit more. Just to not blind oncoming traffic.
Parked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWWaA7n8omc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWWaA7n8omc)
Driving part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmZdKUX0fg8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmZdKUX0fg8)
Driving part 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yob1X4OaIWI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yob1X4OaIWI)
That's all for now. I may modify them further in the future. I'm planning on trying to put HIDs into my kc lights. All of these pics are just to show people what HIDs are like on our trucks. I personally like them a lot. I get a lot of people asking about them. My future plans are.....
Number 1 priority!!!!
Get burning out headlight bulb replaced.
No specific order.
Modify my old black housings and retrofit them with TRUE projectors.
Get actual green bulbs for my Fog lights.
Put yellow in 1 pair of KC lights, and put blue in the other(insides and outsides).
Put my old fog lights under my rear bumper as "reversing lights"(they're 100w)
Wire up said "reversing lights" to a second switch so I can use them when I'm not in reverse.
When/if I retrofit my old housing, I will do a VERY thorough tutorial and video. Its a very complex process of aiming and you have to build aiming jigs and have to be very precise through the whole process or you will ruin it all. Thanks for reading. I hope you all like the lights. Sorry for posting so much!
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And my buddy works at QuikTrip gas station and he talks to cops all the time and they say that headlights are the least of their concerns unless they are blindingly bright. And it is also legal to have red lights or blue lights on the front of your vehicle, you just cannot have both.
Just because a particular cop says it is the least of their concern, DOESNT mean another cop wont stop you. Speaking from EXPERIENCE, it gives cops a lawful reason to stop you, especially at night. Who is out at night? Drunks and criminals. It is a great way to start a deep investigation.
"A. Front clearance lamps and those marker lamps and reflectors mounted on the front or on the side near the front of a vehicle shall display or reflect an amber color."
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/00931.htm&Title=28&DocType=ARS
"B. A person shall not drive or move a vehicle or equipment on a highway with a lamp or device on the vehicle that is capable of displaying a red or red and blue light or lens visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle. Lights visible from the front of a vehicle shall be amber or white." So no, it isnt legal. Just because it doesnt specify "blue only" lights in the first sentence, it says what color the lights HAVE to be.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/00947.htm&Title=28&DocType=ARS
Here's the picture of the flashers showing.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee497/1979c20/2011-04-08190829.jpg)
I am soon going to wire them as my running lights, so I will be completely legal.
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What part of illegal dont you understand? Where does it say you can have blue lights? Im not arguing the fact that it is illegal, im arguing the fact that you keep saying the are legal. I could care less that you do or dont get a ticket, because eventually, you will.
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I'm not concerned about the legality of the lights or what you do with your truck either, but I will tell you that if it happens, you wouldn't be the first motorist ever pulled from his vehicle and punched about the the face for blinding somebody with their goofy colored lights.
Did you ever get your lights hooked up to relays?
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lol so very true
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"B. A person shall not drive or move a vehicle or equipment on a highway with a lamp or device on the vehicle that is capable of displaying a red or redandblue light or lens visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle. Lights visible from the front of a vehicle shall be amber or white."
I personally believe that since it does not SPECIFICALLY rule out any other color besides amber or white, that im off the hook. And it also says "shall" it does not say it is required! and I understand its all semantics, but those small gaps of information are enough to get me out of a ticket. And you are probably going to have something to argue about back to what I have said, so let me tell you, I am 17 and dont care if I get in trouble because I feel like I know everything and can get out of that trouble. So you're beating a dead horse. I have this argument with a couple of friend all the time and it hasnt changed my views yet.
I'm not concerned about the legality of the lights or what you do with your truck either, but I will tell you that if it happens, you wouldn't be the first motorist ever pulled from his vehicle and punched about the the face for blinding somebody with their goofy colored lights.
Did you ever get your lights hooked up to relays?
i must admit that made me crack up pretty hard. But, like I said before I have even aimed my headlights down in order to not blind people. And I have had people tell me.that my nm lightsbare WAAAAY too bright and i tell them I accidentaly had my high beams on. And everyone is okay with it after. I know what it is like to have normal headlights, hids, or sylvanias shining directly in my face.
*Removed Racist Comment - Don't be surprised if you get banned for this since you've been warned previously.*
For your question, my HID'S came with a relay kit, and I put a relay on my fog lights. My KC lights are hard wired to a switch with a fuse and 10 gauge stranded wire.
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Okay, about 3 weeks has passed and ive still had zero cops say anything about my headlights. I did have one cop ask if i had amber colored front turn aignals and i showed him that i did, but he didnt have any problem with the purple.
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I once thought I knew everything too and then I grew up. I am not saying you will get a ticket for your lights but that will give them reason to pull you over and when you get smart with them or make them mad when you prove them wrong, they will give you a ticket for something else that they find. I know this from experience. When I was 19 I made a trooper mad when I proved to him I could have a roll pan on my truck, so he looked my truck over and give me a ticket for two more violations. Then he would pull me over when he saw me for the next six months. So man listen to these guys they are trying to give you some friendly advice to keep you out of trouble. Just be respectful of the cops and don't do anything stupid and you should be OK. By the way if you come to Tennessee I know they will give you a ticket for those lights. I know a couple of guys who they have got.
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"B. A person shall not drive or move a vehicle or equipment on a highway with a lamp or device on the vehicle that is capable of displaying a red or redandblue light or lens visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle. Lights visible from the front of a vehicle shall be amber or white."
I personally believe that since it does not SPECIFICALLY rule out any other color besides amber or white, that im off the hook. And it also says "shall" it does not say it is required! and I understand its all semantics, but those small gaps of information are enough to get me out of a ticket. And you are probably going to have something to argue about back to what I have said, so let me tell you, I am 17 and dont care if I get in trouble because I feel like I know everything and can get out of that trouble. So you're beating a dead horse. I have this argument with a couple of friend all the time and it hasnt changed my views yet.
The legal definition of 'shall' has the following meanings:
■An imperative command; has a duty to or is required to. For example, the notice shall be sent within 30 days. Usually ‘shall’ used here is in the mandatory sense.
■Should . Courts often interpret shall as should. For example, all claimants shall request mediation.
■May. When a negative word such as not or no precedes shall the word shall often means may. For example, no person shall enter the building without first signing the roster.
■Will . For example, the defendant shall then have a period of 30 days to object.
The following are some case law interpreting the word shall:
When used in statutes, contracts, or the like, the word "shall" is generally imperative or mandatory.[Independent School Dist. v. Independent School Dist., 170 N.W.2d 433, 440 (Minn. 1969)]
"In common, or ordinary parlance, and in its ordinary signification, the term 'shall' is a word of command, and one which has always, or which must be given a compulsory meaning; as denoting obligation. It has a peremptory meaning, and it is generally imperative or mandatory. It has the invariable significance of excluding the idea of discretion, and has the significance of operating to impose a duty which may be enforced, particularly if public policy is in favor of this meaning, or when addressed to public officials, or where a public interest is involved, or where the public or persons have rights which ought to be exercised or enforced, unless a contrary intent appears; but the context ought to be very strongly persuasive before it is softened into a mere permission," etc.[People v. O'Rourke, 124 Cal. App. 752, 759 (Cal. App. 1932)]
So no...you can't argue with a court of law that shall doesn't mean required. Arguement over! :D
The problem is in enforcement. Not all police officers know or care to go after someone that has illegal lights on their vehicle. Will you get a ticket?...probably not. Can you get a ticket...YES
I just put mudflaps on my V3500 after driving it all over for about 1/2 a year without.
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i had a friend put blue light on his 76 ford pick up, right be hind the word ford on his grill. one night we all were park at a store and he turn on his lights to show every body, and a cop just happen to drive buy and see the lights. he had the one there for a about month all ready. the cop gave him two options remove them now or have his truck towed. my friend told him they were for show only. the cop told him your not at a car show now. and took his keys and his truck. The cops can and will get you when they want to. and do what they want to. the are the your boss and they can Heck with you every night your out and your friends your with cause they can and they do.
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So, just a quick update. One night after me and my buddy went shooting, on the way out of sycamore creek a cop was pulled over in the little cul de sac area at the entrance. There was a car that had broken down and was sitting for a while. So the cop was gonna have it towed, and my buddy wanted to ask him a question about his driving/fog lights on his jeep and something about firearms. And the cop was pretty cool and seemed like he knew quite a bit so I asked him about purple hids. He said, the main thing most PDs are concerned about are dark blue ones, ecause it could be considered impersonating a police officer, and if theblights blind oncoming traffic. He said if I drive by him and my lights are blinding, then hes gonna pull me over, but most PDs arent worried about color.
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what about the highway patrol?
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Sorry, Beastie, I didnt notice your post. I can only assume Highway patrol is the same way as the Local PD's. When I was pulled over by a highway patrolman who was in front of me, I changed lanes with no signal, he got behind me and pulled me over for no signal and gave me a warning, he didn't say a word about my Headlights. Even after driving in front of me. So I guess if one day I get a mean cop I can play dumb and say I just ordered a kit from eBay and this is what I got. And if I get a ticket then I'll deal with it from there.