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Just finishing up the install in my '86 Silverado, cd player, and a Concept cc-754 behind the seat. Got 2 3.5's in dash,
2 4.5's at bottom of dash, 2 6x9's in the cab corners, and the problem is the 10" sub on the hump. Needing to get it outa the way, and it's not sounding too good anyway, it's in a 13 x 16 x 6 box w/ 2 2.25" ports. What's the good setup for sub's?
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i don't quite getwhat your saying, u mean the back of the cab about 15 inches up? did u build or buy your box? what sub do u have. i would toss the 6x9's cause there isn't alot of space behind the seat, and put some 6.5"'s in the bottom of the doors. and a sub or 2 behind the seat.
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If you want subs always put them behind the seat. Also get a sealed box sealed hits harder than open. 10's and 12's always work good. Find a box about as long as the seat and as tall if you dont need the room. If you need room get two separate smaller boxes but still have enough air for your speakers or the sound will distort. And dont buy a cheape amp because they will always mess up and dont buy cheap speakers because they will always somehow blow.
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don't buy cheap boxes either, like the ones at future shop or circuit city. just build one out of 3/4" mdf, or go to home depot and they will cut the panels for u. then u just need to screw and seal them together. don't use plywood, it sucks for boxes, and make sure it is anchored to the cab. and don't cheap out on the amp. expect to pay 1$ a watt. don't use 12's behind the seat, they won't have enough room to breath or u will hurt the subs. i have free plans for a custom box to fit behind the seat and it is perfect in everyway, its loud and tight.
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I have 12's and they thump and they dont distort either but the box is huge but still gives enough room to move the seat all the way back. And i have my amp under the seat and out the way... If yall want i will give you the demensions of my box when i take it out in a few days. Its as big as a stock seat and holds 2 12's.
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I also have (2) 500 watt 12's behind the seat. They are in seperate sealed boxes and sound great. But they do rub on the back of the seat because I have the seat back all the way. I would recommend seperate boxes with speaker guards to prevent the rubbing. If you do build one big box, I recommend that you have two seperate chambers inside (1 for each speaker). If the box is open inside (speakers share the air) they usually dont sound very good. I would also put the amps under the seat. I have one amp 500w 4 channel (bridged to the 2 12's) under passenger seat, and one 300w 4 channel under the driver. The reason I did this is because on some songs I want to change the sound level on the 6X9's and tweets, I can reach under my seat and turn the knob. Also be sure to screw the amps down to prevent them from sliding and being stolen. I would also have a through bolt in the box behind the seat going towards the bed. this will also slow a thief down. 6 x 9s in the door sound good and some tweets under the shoulder seat belt is a good location (sounds good and most people dont see them). Also when you wire the amps under the seat NEVER run the RCA cable near a power of remote wire (this creates a humming or motor sound, very common mistake). Since i run 2 amps I have 2 toggle switches on my dash under the sterio. I use these switches to control the remote wires to the amps. this allow me to run only one amp if I would like. this is good for determining how some speakers are working or for adjusting sound options on amp. hope this helps
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hey chevy guy i want to see the demisions for your box. with 2 12's i wouldn;'t have thought u that u could get the internal volume that 12" subs need, but if u guys say u can do it then i guess it does work. but 2 10's in a truck that size would always be louded, the volume of the cab is to small for 12s. the speakers will move, but the sound just won't be asload, the cabin gain won't be as great.
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Im outa town for the moment but i will give you the deminsions when i get back. I have 2 12's Orion's and a 655 Boss amp and a Pioneer DEH 1000 but with a different stereo they still hit hard.
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I used to have 2 Fosgate 10's behind my seat. They did sound loud but the hard hitting bass wasn't there. When I installed the 12's I had much more bass, overall the system sounded much better with the 12's.
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how much leg room do u guys have with this set up? i am 6'2" so i have it al the way back and the subs still fit. whats the amount of internal box volume?
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heres my box deminsions....top is 15.5in by 57in... the bottom is 57in by 8 in.... top is 57in by 5in....the side is 5in by 15.5in by 8in by 15.25in.
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Camel, my friend sits in my truck and hes probly about 6'-2" he never complains about leg space. But I do think its probly a little to small for someone of your height. Im about 5'-9" and its just right for me. I dont have the seat all the way back because of the 12's but its pretty close. I would have to say its probly about 1 or 2 notches away from all the way back. I also have a Grant steering wheel which makes sitting closer more comfortable.
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yea my seat is all the way back, or at the second last notch, i am not too sure. decent set of 10 sure do sound good. i don't think i would ever put 12's in my truck unless i made a hole right through to the bed. then had all the room for the big box that it would need. the subs mmats pro 12's, with an mmats amp? or maybe a phoenix gold xs 2500. prolly have to stick with the d series amp tho. the infinitys under the dash will stay, but the cheaper pioneers in the doors might be goin soon for a set of infinitys, then i need another amp. well too many dreams, not enough cash for the system, we need a potent 350 first. then drop it, and rims, and alternator, and i need to win the lotto.
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I'm seeing a lot of good ideas and also a pattern here, my 10"
Pioneer sub on the trans hump has got to go! And yes, built the box myself using some formulas d/l'd from some seemingly knowledgable sites. Two subs behind the seats sounds like the way to go, I'll have to opt for the 10's I think, I like the seat all the way back..Yup, and my amp was exactly discounted to $1 a watt. I don't pay msrp for anything..
But now, I kinda like my 6x9's and the amp behind the seat,
but in veiw of all of your veiws, I'll be rearranging, subs getting priority...thanks fellas
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i have my amp behind my seat, and i just have the box off set to the drivers side. make sure u have both subs mounted next to eachother and then a brace on the opposite site. this way it hits the hardest and feels liek u have a bigger sub, the sound waves go throught the seat easier too. i have some plans if u like?
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12's behind the seat will probly never have enough air space. Unless you buy speakers designed for small enclosures (there are many out there). Kenwood makes one that sound great in small enclosures its 700watts. I do notice that the 12's do not sound very "clean" when the sit is down, but when your driving and the seat is up they sound great. If your not after the hard bass I would go with the 10's.
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I have two MTX amps under the seat, two 6 1/1" in the doors and 4 5 1/4 in the cab corners and 1 twelve in a sealed box behind the seat. I have no problems at all with clarity, loudness, deepness! I'm 6' 0" and have the seat all the way back and the sub touches the back of the seat a little but not enough to distort the sound.
My buddy has the same model truck and has two HE2 from Fosgate behind his seat (chamber box with ports). So it all depends on what you like. But one twelve or two will definitely work.
btw, my box is small enough to have three 12's behind the seat! I have to measure it to give you the dimension but it about 1.25 cubic inches. 15" tall, 7 bottom depth, 5 top, and 14 width!
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I have 2 orion subs that are 600 each and they have no problem lookin for air
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i don't really liek the sound of kenwoods, or fosgates thats just my personal preferance. i like to stick with jl, or phoenix gold and mmats. stuff that hits hard and goes low, and can take alot of power. jl 10w0's can handle around 400wrms, even thought they are rated at 125 wrms. i have just had the best experience with these products. and have heard and seen bad things about most other companies products.
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Camel, Always stick with the brands you trust. but one thing I have learned over the years about sterio equipment, is that the installation in a BIG parts of the performance. The reason why most good name brand sterio systems do not sound great is because of a poor install.
Not enough Power, Not a good ground, equipment is not 100% compatible, incorrect wire sizes, wire routing locations, etc.
You pretty much pay for what you get. Although some brands can produce some nice products for cheap. JVC for examples makes some pretty good amps. They have an amp out right now for around $200 that is rated at 560 watts max. 2 Ch (@ 2 ohms.) Now of course this is not $1 a watt, but this is a great amp. Also Jensen makes some pretty good little amps, which are great for running smaller speakers. You will hear alot of people talk bad about these amps. But from someone who paid $100 for a 300w 2ch, its one of the best amps I have ever bought. It has NEVER turned off on me, or got too hot. But the power it produces may not be as great as a better brand, you might not ever even notice the difference.
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one thing the cheapers amp companies do is overrate there products, and give there numbers at low ohmage so they look better then they really are. and most of them aren't even 2 ohm stable in mono. my phoenix gold xs 2200 puts out 200wrms at 4 ohms, but its actual reading is closer to 220wrms, where as your jensen or jvc won't be putting out what they say, and it won't be good clean power. distorsion isn't good on subwoofers, they don't like it at all. same with underpower, more times then not people blow woofers because there amps don't put out enought power, and they clip and burn the voice coils. crappy subs u might be able to get away with, but not cheap amps. i have owned a jensen amp, and it was alright. for the price i guess it was ok. but the big names will never ever let u down. its all about knowledge, visit an audio forum u wil learn alot more then i will ever be able to teach u. www.audioforum.freeservers.com/
this is where i go, these guys know tons and can do anything, one guy has his own sub out now. check it out, and ask any questions u want. u won't find more knowledgable guys anywhere i don't think.
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I have 2 MTX boxes (12" subs), and two pioneer 4way 6x9's I have three amps (all kenwood) and have 1 amp running the left and one running the right channel of the MTX's and the other amp running the 6x9'x, in the center of the MTX's I have a cd changer all controled by a pioneer 3 source head unit. Let me tell you, this thing rocks the house like you would not believe. I am not really into that thumbing base like you hear in some cars going down the street, but rather the entire range of lows mids and highs.
I built custom boxes for the 6x9's and have them mounted in the little side area behind the seat (the side between the rear of the cab and the side of the cab)
Everything fits behind the seat like it was made that way from the factory.......just enough space for everything. All the amps are located under the seat.
I think that i have a picture of it somewhere, I will scan it and upload it later when I have a chance.
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it sounds really awesome, and then i could make my box longer for say 3 10's, that would kick hard. still not a big fan of the 12's in a truck, they just sound sloppy and all the top of the line ones are way to big to put behind the seat. hmm i like this 3 subs behind the seat idea. maybe 3 10 w6's and a nice mmats d200hc. oh yea
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i have 2 boss amps and my 600 we checked it one day its a 4 channel and with it bridged it was pushin about 1000watts and my 655 which i just purchased not to long ago we havent even checked it and its pushin more power than my 600
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Camel, most people here aren't looking to put together a competition system. So price is a big deal. I do agree with you if your going to spend the money buy the better name brands they wont let you down. But if your not looking to dump a small fortune in your sterio system, some of the other brands will not let you down. The quality may not be as great, but most poeple cant even tell the difference. As for Phoenix Gold they make a great product although I know a guy who spent a few grand on Phoenix Gold products for his truck. He wasnt very happy with what he got for what he paid. But it was great sounding system.
I do agree MOST of the cheaper amps will just be a waste of money. But from my expierence (& friends) with Jensen and JVC amps that we have owned, its not a bad product as long as you install it right and dont overload it. When I talk about the Jensen amps I would only use it for smaller speakers not SUBs.
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Actually, 12's are really easy to put into these kind of trucks. And 12's can sound awesome if done correctly. But it will have several things to take into consideration. The quality of the woofer, amp,wire and overall install.
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Hey guys, I've messed with a lot of stuff and have a few ideas that might help people. I know everyone has their budget, but if you spend your money in the right place you can do pretty good for not a whole lot of dough. When you get a deck, just make sure that it has a decent level of pre-amp output. I know back when I started messing with this stuff, I got a Pioneer deck with only 500mV output (1/2 a volt) which is too low. Look for 2V and up and you'll be fine. It's really hard to keep noise out of the system with less than that. Next place to spend your money is on your AMP. If you need to save money, use your amp as your baseline, spend as much as you can here, then get the speakers to match. One way to find out how much power you're gunna get (if it doesn't come with a certified test sheet) is to look at the fuse rating on the amp. I'm running an older MTX 2160 and have been nothing but happy with it. It was pretty darn cheap (330 bucks) and rated at 75x2 RMS at 4 ohms, and 12.5 volts. Test sheet on the amp put it at over 550 watts RMS bridged at 14.4 volts input. This amp has 2x30 amp fuses, so 60 total, for a baseline. I ran a set of Kicker 10" full range boxes (ported) for a couple years and liked them. Another thing to think about is how you wire your system. Now I have a pair of JL 10w3's in a custom made box, seperate chambers, sealed, with the voice coils on the sub wired in series, and the subs themself in parrallel. This gives me just a little below 4 ohms for the box, mono I believe. You run a lot more current through your amp when you bridge it or run it at 2 ohms. Lower risistance = more current. Ah, as far as the 10 v. 12 discussion, I'll just say that I couldn't be happier with my 10's. A good sub with good power is most important, and these things are great, the go LOW hit hard, and are very tight no matter what I'm listening to. BTW, I have a Kenwood 4 channel amp up front, bridged to a pair of JL VR-600 component's in the door (6") and an alpine head unit.
So I guess to sum up all that rambling, get a deck with decent output voltage, a good amp, and go from there.
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I recently put a 12" Memphis Studio Series in a ported truck enclosure in my 1981 GMC Sierra Classic. In doing this, I learned that less is more. Powered by a Nakamichi PA-1004, this Memphis pounds like there is no tomorrow. Any more than this would be too much, in terms of distortion and all out discomfort
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i'm running a aiwa 35x4 cd player. i've got a orion cobalt 260 what amp. i bought two 10 inch orion cobalt subs. had a custom box made with a place to mount the amp be hind the drivers seat. its a lot eiser to get to. i'm runingn 10 gauge wire to the subs. and 10 guage for ground and power. in the custom box i took some old mtx mid ranges from some 10 inch full range boxes. i had the box maker hook up everything. my subs are running in 2ohm load. i have inline crossovers for the mid ranges so i dont get any lows from them. my tens are ported with 2 3inch by 9 inch port tubes. when turned up to 45 out of 80 so a little more than half way it will rumble my seat like nothing else. they can reach the lows of a 12 but hit like some 8's.
my total price
cd 110
amp 250
subs 200 for 2
box 100
carpted and excessoirs
60
total 720 american
not to bad
orion kicks ass
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i have a 10 inch kicker comp in a truck box. it and the amp, which is mouted to the back of the cab, fit behind my seat when i had a bench. i also have a set of 6x9 s back there. i could still move the seats all the way back. now that i have buckets, they still fit and sound great. optimum leg room, too. i am 6 foot 7 and i fit fine.
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if your useing a nam brand speaker: kickers, fosgate, jbl,or whatever... there is a certain ammount of cubic feet your particular speaker needs to breath correctly in a sealed box...
now depending on the music style you listen to will greatly determine what type of box you want...
if you like RAP! eeewwwww then a ported box can give you the long low sustaining bass...
BUT if your a ROCKER like me then a sealed box will give you the punchy low rock bass and the mid to hi's that most rock bass has...
i think for 12's you need something like 2.0 - 2.5 cuft per speaker... and for 10's i think it is 1.5 - 2.0....
contact your speaker manufacturer or your local custom stereo store and im sure they can tell you what you need to know!
too much air = loose low bass
not enough air = pingy buzzy bass
and just the right ammount = hard stiff rock your *SS off blurr your eyes makes you dizzy bass...
hope that helps!
anthony
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this is what i have
cd player
pioneer primier cd player 50 by 4 24 rms by 4
two amps
orion cobalt 260 65 by 2 at 4 ohms 130 by 2 at
2ohms
my other one is a urban audio works 25 by 4 rms this runs my midranges they are bridge on one channel they have in line cross overs on them
i have my subs on a total different channel then my speakers no voice comes out of them what so ever
on my cd player you can change the hi pass filter for the speakers you turn that on and no bass comes out of the speakers and i have my subs set so i can turn the on or off and the level i also can change all my frequencys so
the only way to do it
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im 6'8 and i fit in my truck just fine
as far as audio...my truck has one speaker in the dash. That is it. I want to put in a new system, but is it possible to do without having to get a loan? I can understand why you would want to pay a few hundred for a good q system, however, i would like a moderate upgrade from the current configuration.
Im just looking for a _decent_ system at mabye -300$ total
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maybe you have the sub in a box that is too small. don't toss the sub just yet. i have a 10 kicker comp-vr behind the seat with a splash 350 watt amp. that is in the middle in a regular sealed truck box. i then have two 6x9's, one on either side of that setup. they are in normal 6x9 boxes. i also have 6-1/2's in the doors and then a sony explod cd player. this setup was not too expensive but it sounds good at all levels of volume and hits hard when desired. good look with yours.
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i have a 260 watt amp running 2 10 inch subs and it has plenty of power. i dont see why everyone buys the big ass amps like 1000 watts big deal i have a 260 and can blow a way a 500 jensen. it all depens on power i'm running at 2 ohms if you your putting two subs buy dual voice coil. the amp wont work as hard to push them . I like . orion for speakers, pioneer primier cd player and i have mtx midranges. and the better the insultion is the better you will like it. take your time do it right. and if you dont know what to do read. i have blown lots of fuses and i got sick of buying 10 everyday so i learned really fast what i was doing wrong.
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I had a speaker box with (4) Bazooka 10" EL-Series subs mounted flush into the box (ring does not stick up) and it has 6 competition tweeters on the top. It fit perfectly in my 83 C10. I mean right height, and perfect fit between seat belt asseblies. It is divided and each speaker has its own airspace of about .60 cu ft., I have entered 3 competitions with this setup and a 1200 watt crunch amp, won 3 first place trophies, and hit a 153.4 SPL reading. I took it out and sold my amp and 2 of my speakers, I now want to sell the box and tweeters (no subs) for $75. I need the money cause I plan on putting a LT 1 and 4L60e in pretty soon. Buy this box and go win some competitions. For more info:
sender237@mail.com
www.geocities.com/speakerboxesbybob/first.html
Ill take $100 for the (2) 10's.
Right now I'm working on a Kicker SoloBaric 10" L7 in a ported box on my transmission hump and an amp rack behind the seat. Got the box built and mounted and am waiting on the gear to come through the mail. Pic's coming to my site when I'm finished.
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Hey Camel, you still have that sub box plan for behind the seat?
If ya do, email it over to tliguana@nospam.hotmail.com
just del the nospam.
Thankx bro,
73
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I have a JBL 300 I'm putting in my Sonoma, and my pal has a JBL 1000? in his Dakota. JBL makes GREAT amps for the price.
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I would have just built a 3 8s box and vent ported it they uslly dont need much for mounting depth and you can build a wide enuff to do a good port
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Thought you guys might like to see this. This guy is a carpenter, and he told me it took him quite a while to get this box figured out. But its righteous! www.73-87.com/7387garage/interior/speaker_box.htm
1986 Chevrolet Silverado Pickup
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i have 2 cvr 12's beind my seat and they fit fine and sound great in a sealed box with a kenwood 800x2 amp and a solo 10 l7 with matcing amp in the center of the seat it alone is loud enough for the cab but im still buliding the box for the 2 solo x 18 in the bed