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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Body, Glass & Paint => Topic started by: PromiseKeeper on April 20, 2011, 08:45:26 am
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I found a set of pretty nice set of fender emblems for my '80 C-10. While cleaning them up. what little remained of the yellow paint inside the lettering washed away. Maybe someone here has redone a set that could give me a couple of pointers. Is there any kind of prep required prior to painting? Is this a rainy Saturday afternoon project with a small brush, or is there a quicker way to do a good job? Who can tell me a color code for this, or what kind of paint would work best? Thanks guys and gals!
Scott
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Paint would be the GM Ochre
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I found a set of pretty nice set of fender emblems for my '80 C-10. While cleaning them up. what little remained of the yellow paint inside the lettering washed away. Maybe someone here has redone a set that could give me a couple of pointers. Is there any kind of prep required prior to painting? Is this a rainy Saturday afternoon project with a small brush, or is there a quicker way to do a good job? Who can tell me a color code for this, or what kind of paint would work best? Thanks guys and gals!
Scott
I'm in the process of refinishing my emblems as well. Being as the emblems are chromed, I don't know how well anything will stick. I'm trying a rattle can etching primer to see how well that does. Going to do the GM Ochre/Argent Silver/Black on the Cheyenne Super badges, then Ochre/Cardinal Red/Black on the Camper Special badges, then finally Ochre/Omaha Orange on the 3+3 badges.
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bake,
I ended up going to a hobby shop and talked to someone there about what I would need. They thought the Testor's enamels would be the way to go. Cost $1.49 a bottle. Interestingly they didn't have them and sent me to Discount Drug Mart to get them. Evidently it is because they sell models. Of course it wasn't a perfect match, but really came out nice. They didn't feel that primer was needed, but I'm sure it wont hurt. Are you masking it and spraying? :o :o That will be quite a feat! I guess worse case, I'll just have to redo mine if it comes off.
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bake,
I ended up going to a hobby shop and talked to someone there about what I would need. They thought the Testor's enamels would be the way to go. Cost $1.49 a bottle. Interestingly they didn't have them and sent me to Discount Drug Mart to get them. Evidently it is because they sell models. Of course it wasn't a perfect match, but really came out nice. They didn't feel that primer was needed, but I'm sure it wont hurt. Are you masking it and spraying? :o :o That will be quite a feat! I guess worse case, I'll just have to redo mine if it comes off.
Well, I'm definitely going to try the masking/spraying route, and I expect to attain a whole new level of tedium in the process! ::) I'm not at all sure that I can brush it on and be happy with the results (although when I get to the camper special badges I may have no choice). I have some 454 Chevelle badges that I painted first with an etching primer, then a yellow that starts to approach the ochre (called Equipment Yellow). While the paint was still fresh, I cleaned away the paint on the edges using lacquer thinner and a combination of tooth pics and Q-tips. I'll post up a pic of those in a couple of days. One thing I wanted to do that I've been unable is to paint and then topcoat it with clear. I've found that unless I've got many coats (or a couple of really heavy ones) the clear penetrates the paint and causes it to lift, effectively ruining it. :(
I have some spray stencil ink that I'm using while porting my heads... I can get several coats that are very thin... I may play around with that some this week.
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I've some times wondered if you couldn't "insert" the paint with a hypodermic needle?
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I've some times wondered if you couldn't "insert" the paint with a hypodermic needle?
That's an intriguing idea. While I guess you could draw paint into a syringe from custom-mixed paint from the paint store, it might be more cost effective to perhaps buy it in smaller "touch up" quantities that are premixed... Possibilities abound!
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The lady at the craft shop sold me an awesome paint brush that went down to a really small point and was semi stiff. It was just the ticket to paint the emblems. I probably did them both in about an hour.
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Where's the pics promisekeeper ? :)
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I'll have to take the camera next time. It's not at the house. I get so into what I'm doing and have thought several times I should have taken a pic of what I'm doing.
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I'll have to take the camera next time. It's not at the house. I get so into what I'm doing and have thought several times I should have taken a pic of what I'm doing.
You sir, are preaching to the choir! :D
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Where's the pics promisekeeper ? :)
I double that. I was thinking about doing the same so can't wait to see how yours turned out.
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so i painted one of my old emblems tonight just to see what it would look like, i did it black with the inside red. i remembered to take some pictures along the way too,first i sanded it alittle to get the rough edges off then i sprayed the whole thing with some krylon bbq and stove high heat black and then used testors model paint on the inside using a toothpick. i like how it turned out
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/th_IMG-20110504-00623.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/?action=view¤t=IMG-20110504-00623.jpg)
forgot to take a befor pic but the others are pretty much the same minus a 1
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/th_IMG-20110504-00626.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/?action=view¤t=IMG-20110504-00626.jpg)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/th_IMG-20110504-00627.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/?action=view¤t=IMG-20110504-00627.jpg)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/th_IMG-20110504-00634.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/kyler1111/?action=view¤t=IMG-20110504-00634.jpg)
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nice job....wheres the number one?
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it the original emblem and the one was missing when i bought the truck but i got another one so i have 2 good ones. that was just practice to see how it would come out
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looks great man
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thanks, i was thinking about how it would hold up in the sun, and it could be done with different types of paint and different colors and im interested to see how promisekeepers came out!
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as am i !
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Well, after messing around with it a bit last night, I think I found the best way to go about painting my emblems. At first I started out with the tiny paintbrush, but then discovered that, by using toothpicks, I could control the application of paint much easier than with a brush, since the tip did not flex and move about. I tried this using both the model paint in the little bottles, and by spraying rattle can paint into a small prescription pill bottle. Both paints worked well, but although the sprayed pain was much thinner, I found it flowed better, and wicked into the tiniest corners with ease (this was on Camper Special badges). I could also add additional coats almost immediately. Much, much less prep work than you'd get by trying to meticulously mask off areas, and much less to clean up afterward - no overspray, and no brush marks. For the tiniest lettering on the badges (GVW) I'm going to use a sewing needle as the applicator to give me a high degree of control. On the larger 3+3 lettering and the fender badges I'll likely use something like a stick from a corn dog. I'll post a couple of pics tonight
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I'm going to use a sewing needle as the applicator to give me a high degree of control. On the larger 3+3 lettering and the fender badges I'll likely use something like a stick from a corn dog. I'll post a couple of pics tonight
So...does this confirm that we are REALLY on the edge of insane about our trucks? But corn dog sticks??? LOL
Its gonna be a few days guys till I get to post some pics...busy schedule over the next several days.
Wow...even spelled everything right the first time! :o
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hahahaha
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I'm going to use a sewing needle as the applicator to give me a high degree of control. On the larger 3+3 lettering and the fender badges I'll likely use something like a stick from a corn dog. I'll post a couple of pics tonight
So...does this confirm that we are REALLY on the edge of insane about our trucks? But corn dog sticks??? LOL
Its gonna be a few days guys till I get to post some pics...busy schedule over the next several days.
Wow...even spelled everything right the first time! :o
Well, it was either that or popsicle sticks. I just loooove me some corn dogs! Whooooooo! ;D
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im sorry i didnt read every post BUT what i've always done is use model kit paint, then make sure i get a good layer of clear lacquer over the painted area.
and i found that if youre re-doing a clear plastic lens or emblem you can go over it with a super fine grit sand paper and then gloss over it with lacquer and it'll be dang near perfect. i had a set of emblems that needed replacing on my 63 fairlane 500 and replacements were something like 300$.
75 cents and $2.39 worth of clear gloss later and they were beautiful again.
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im sorry i didnt read every post BUT what i've always done is use model kit paint, then make sure i get a good layer of clear lacquer over the painted area
Yeah, I've been doing some testing using the model paint along with the typical spray bomb stuff. One of the things I've seemed to struggle with in regards to the clear lacquer is applying it and it not causing the paint underneath to lift. I'm almost afraid to try it on these emblems for fear that it'd ruin all the hard work. :-\
How well does the model paint handle UV?
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Those came out really nice. Now I am inspired to paint!
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im sorry i didnt read every post BUT what i've always done is use model kit paint, then make sure i get a good layer of clear lacquer over the painted area
Yeah, I've been doing some testing using the model paint along with the typical spray bomb stuff. One of the things I've seemed to struggle with in regards to the clear lacquer is applying it and it not causing the paint underneath to lift. I'm almost afraid to try it on these emblems for fear that it'd ruin all the hard work. :-\
How well does the model paint handle UV?
Model paint will hold up fine if you get the clear coat perfect. The paint underneath has to be perfectly dry. Then you go in light coats with gloss.
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Could it be that the lifting comes from mixing enamel with a lacquer? I was thinking that the clear coat might be beneficial and could be sprayed over the entire emblem. You have to be careful, I was looking at some rattle cans today and some were lacquer and some enamel.
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Could it be that the lifting comes from mixing enamel with a lacquer? I was thinking that the clear coat might be beneficial and could be sprayed over the entire emblem. You have to be careful, I was looking at some rattle cans today and some were lacquer and some enamel.
Possibly, although I'm almost positive that I'm working exclusively with enamels (I may be inadvertently exchanging "lacquer" and "enamel". I think txchainsawgogi nailed it - I may have been applying it too heavily.
Anyhow, here's a "test" of a repaint of the Camper Special emblem. Not awful, but not quite up to scratch for me. I'm going to need to try and bring a little more shine out of them, then try again.
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That looks pretty dang good to me
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very nice, turned out great, I might try model paint too.
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I was thinking about the "shine" on mine as well. I was going to use some jewelery cleaner. When I opened it up, it smelled like ammonia. I decided I would go that route instead. I soaked them in ammonia and gave them a good scrubbing with a brush. All the old paint came out and the chrome sparkled!
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I was thinking about the "shine" on mine as well. I was going to use some jewelery cleaner. When I opened it up, it smelled like ammonia. I decided I would go that route instead. I soaked them in ammonia and gave them a good scrubbing with a brush. All the old paint came out and the chrome sparkled!
Hmmmm, I may give that a whirl. I also was thinking about using a Dremel on low speed with some metal polish - probably something like "S" grade Nuvite.
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i like it looks very nice. i took mine off wish i didnt now they were not that nice looking.
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i like it looks very nice. i took mine off wish i didnt now they were not that nice looking.
Well, even these are fairly pitted from being exposed to the elements over the years. Some folks like 'em for certain reasons (mine being personal nostalgia) others don't care for them and go for the clean look. What's great is that both styles work and both can look awesome - just boils down to what works for ya. :)
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ya i might still clean them and paint just for something to do. it is pretty sweet what a little paint can do..
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Finally the promised pics! Drumroll please! The emblems had some pitting, but I was happy with how they came out, especially when I picked them up for $5 apiece :D
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Finally the promised pics! Drumroll please! The emblems had some pitting, but I was happy with how they came out, especially when I picked them up for $5 apiece :D
Primo! Nicely done! (clapping)
I have yet to begin working on my fender emblems, but have continued to work on my Camper Special badging. I spent every evening this past week on just one - the one I've yet to paint. You may be wondering what I'd been doing to just one of them if it took me so long, so I'll take a picture Monday and post it up.
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looks great man ! good job
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OK, here are some pics of the Camper Special emblem. The pictures don't really do it justice.
Took a week using a metal polish called Nuvite and a Dremel. Very fiddly stuff. I did discover a way to polish in the smaller parts of the emblem. I basically took Q-tips , cut them in half, then used the halves chucked in the Dremel. As they got black and grubby, I swapped out for a new piece and keot on going. You have to be careful when doing this - the chrome plating is very thin, and if you get too aggressive, you can burn straight through to the copper plate underneath.
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Looking good bake! Those emblems look to be in great shape. Did they have pits that you were able to polish out, or were they they not pitted to begin with? At any rate, you sure have them shining!
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Dang! What a transformation! Can't wait to see them in paint again!
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Looking good bake! Those emblems look to be in great shape. Did they have pits that you were able to polish out, or were they they not pitted to begin with? At any rate, you sure have them shining!
Thanks guys! There actually are just a few pits in them. The polishing more sort of smoothed them over, so they're a lot harder to see. I'm very fortunate that all of my badges/emblems are in great shape considering their age. I can't wait to see them in paint again, myself!
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Had to dredge up this post. This posting is one that I read along time ago and spurred me to join the site.
Here a couple of photos of my emblems that were repainted over 10 years ago and recent, quick repaint on the grill lettering.
The orange on the Camper Special emblem is Testor model paint, the black and yellow were either Krylon or Rustoleum. When applied, the model paint looked great, but failed to hold up to the elements as well as the spray can paint. The closest yellow that I could find was Old Caterpillar yellow, and seems to be a pretty good match to the burnt yellow of the emblems.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EauGgvQuOEo/TrGmOC0wO2I/AAAAAAAAACE/XkySf-ak5Lk/s800/DSC00679.JPG)
The GMC lettering on the grill was painted with the Testor paint and had faded to the awful pink-orange like the Camper Special emblems.
I repainted the letters with about the closest orange I could find at the time, Krylon pumpkin orange, around June of this year. It's a decent orange, but doesn't match the orange on the fender badge.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B5De5FEFIQo/TrGmCvvL6bI/AAAAAAAAABo/0Xoy-N-bS1I/s800/DSC00585.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3_KYcZGQOTk/TrHEdIO_I7I/AAAAAAAAADk/KBCaHXlcJrg/s800/DSC00681.JPG)
Does anyone have suggestions about a close GMC orange that would be available from Krylon or Rustoleum? I don't think I really want to try the model paints again.
The Sierra 2500 emblem was a NOS piece that I put on about 12 years ago. There "25 Hundred" is raised and there was black around the lettering. Any ideas on how one would go about restoring the black?
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0EAvsc4IcFU/TrGl-8ujbqI/AAAAAAAAABg/MVNahO2o_r0/s800/DSC00588.JPG)
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All right, spill it guys........
Where can I find the GM ochre?
I need to redo the square emblems on my cab corner molding. :)
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Unless someone has any other suggestions, Old Caterpillar Yellow is about the closest shade of yellow that I've found.
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That Sierra emblem is a prime example of things that make me go HMMMMMM...wonder how the factory did it? With those raised letters it would almost seem that the whole thing was painted then the letters were cleaned off? I wonder if you could do that then take a Dremmel to buff the raised letters?
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What about applying some type of clear to the testors paint?
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I'm open to suggestions on how to restore the fender badges back to factory. The 25 Hundred is an insert that goes into the chromed (potmetal?) piece. When the Sierra emblems were new it had negligible paint thickness and was glossy, not flat like the hubcaps (also a very thin paint). The dremel trick might work, but talk about an exercise in patience. One mistake and its back to the start.
As for the Camper Special badges: I don't remember if I tried clear over the Testor's paint, but I think even with a good clear coat there still wouldn't be enough overall protection (especially against UV) to maintain the model paint color. I think there has to be a good rattle can match w/o having to go to an automotive paint.
Having been through emblem restoration twice before (once on the '74 and on several of the '73 emblems); I think that trying to restore emblems is more tedious and time consuming than a ring and pinion setup.
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Just did a search for "automotive emblem restoration" and found this.....
http://www.automedia.com/Reviving_Original_Emblems/res20021101er/1
looks like we were close, except they say to remove the excess paint with an exacto knife. That might work well on the raised letters, even with a single edge razor blade then clear the whole thing.
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found this too:
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/body/mopp_0806_dodge_coronet_emblem_restore/index.html
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When I did the Camper Special emblems way back, I'm pretty sure I did the wash technique...
If you look in the members rides for the 1973 GMC K2500, you can see what the model paint turned into on the grille letters. Kind of a pinkish orange color. Also one of my previous posts show the model paint on the Camper emblem. So I'm trying to stay away from the model paints.
I'm beginning to think I'll have to pony up the money for a pint of enamel at the auto paint store... The yellow, as previously stated in this post, is GM Ochre.
Does anyone have an idea on the orange used on the GMC letters? I guess it's the same used on the Camper Special emblems..
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I have noticed you guys have some great ideas and some of your badges look really good. I repainted the "Cheyenne 20" badges on my truck with a light gray/silverish paint from a raddle can. I didn't tape them off or even remove them from the truck. I used a very small brush from a model set and sprayed the paint in an old jar to form a puddle at the bottom. Then i just dipped my brush in the paint (with small amounts on the tip) and very slowly painted the recessed areas of the badges. Your spray job looks really really good. I didn't use any of the original colors, just a gray/silverish enamel. It has stuck excellently and has not peeled or faded. I even removed my head light bezels, taped them off and painted them too. They to have stood up great. I hope to soon repaint my "Camper Special" badges. My truck when repainted will be white with gray/silverish racing stripes and with a badges painted the same color, it looks very slick. I hope this was of help. :)
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I got around to painting my cab corner emblems.
I used Krylon "New CAT yellow". That was the closest to what the old paint was. Matched it pretty good IMHO. Used Rust-Oleum black in the Chevy bow-tie.
I believe both paints are semi-gloss from the factory, and the two paints that I used were high gloss. No biggie, most who would know probably wont remember back to 1987 anyway. ;)
Take a look:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D0-RoVjzibU/TsG5r9J8jlI/AAAAAAAAAFM/oR14nbBCO54/s512/003%252520%2525283%252529.JPG)
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I can remember back to 1987 and our GMC had no such glossy yellow items ;D.
Your cab corner trim looks great.
I'll have to take a second look at the new cat yellow... I personally would like to see a post that says Rusoleum "fill in the blank Orange is a perfect match for GMC orange.
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Engineer, I'd let you do emblems for me anytime. looks great....super masking too!
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ITS OFFICIAL! WE ARE ALL CRAZY ABOUT PAINTING THE EMBLEMS! AAAAHHHHH THE MADNESS! hahahahahahahahahahaha, these all look like fun, can't wait to do mine.
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OK, here are some pics of the Camper Special emblem. The pictures don't really do it justice.
Took a week using a metal polish called Nuvite and a Dremel. Very fiddly stuff. I did discover a way to polish in the smaller parts of the emblem. I basically took Q-tips , cut them in half, then used the halves chucked in the Dremel. As they got black and grubby, I swapped out for a new piece and keot on going. You have to be careful when doing this - the chrome plating is very thin, and if you get too aggressive, you can burn straight through to the copper plate underneath.
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20248.0;attach=16458;image
That'd be funny if you got a big silver chain and wore that as like some kind of necklace like those guys do.
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Update on GMC Orange and the orange on Camper Special emblems. I'm making a couple of posts on the site using this photo and others.
I had a little bit of time today so I took an NOS GMC fender badge to O'Reilly's to try and find a match for the orange. The best match I could find out of the DuPont books was a color called Hugger Orange used on GM vehicles in the mid to late 1990's. It was from the 1996 or 1998 Dupont color catalog that I found the color chip. I'll have more details later.
For those restoring 73-74 GMC fender badges, here again is an old fender badge (as posted in this same thread) that's been weathered for about 14 years (It was a NOS badge when I put it on).
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0EAvsc4IcFU/TrGl-8ujbqI/AAAAAAAAABg/MVNahO2o_r0/s640/DSC00588.JPG)
Here is a NOS 73-74 GMC fender badge.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fFZVS0b0pT8/T0r4d0-Gq4I/AAAAAAAAAM4/3n-yusseN-Y/s640/DSC01143.JPG)
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That'd be funny if you got a big silver chain and wore that as like some kind of necklace like those guys do.
Yeah, and walk around saying, "I drive a Silvera...yo?"
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Update on GMC Orange and the orange on Camper Special emblems. I'm making a couple of posts on the site using this photo and others.
I had a little bit of time today so I took an NOS GMC fender badge to O'Reilly's to try and find a match for the orange. The best match I could find out of the DuPont books was a color called Hugger Orange used on GM vehicles in the mid to late 1990's. It was from the 1996 or 1998 Dupont color catalog that I found the color chip. I'll have more details later.
For those restoring 73-74 GMC fender badges, here again is an old fender badge (as posted in this same thread) that's been weathered for about 14 years (It was a NOS badge when I put it on).
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0EAvsc4IcFU/TrGl-8ujbqI/AAAAAAAAABg/MVNahO2o_r0/s400/DSC00588.JPG/img]
Here is a NOS 73-74 GMC fender badge.
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nwPlbH4Yr1A/T0r4ccXNFaI/AAAAAAAAAMw/pANTJKME-C4/s400/DSC01144.JPG)
Not sure what your pic is but I have my factory 74 GMC 15 hundred fender badges and two sets of the GMC grill letters. One set had a reflective sticker inside the GMC which I wish I had taken a picture of before I sent them to the chromers and the other set is painted orange/red in the middle. I have some paint that matched almost dead on.
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Here is a couple of crummy pics to show the two different grilles and the two different emblems. Again I wish I took better pics of the swirly ones before I sent them out to be chromed. If anyone has pix please share
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/Sabaka454/gmc.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/Sabaka454/grills.jpg)
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Fixed my earlier photo link...
I've got a used, unrestored original chromed grille, but it's boxed up right now... To the best of my memory, the letters on it were painted.