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http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/oklahoma-mother-18-kills-intruder-breaking-into-her-home-while-on-phone-with-911-27777235.html
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Beat me to it. I was going to post this.
We need more people like her in the world. Maybe dirt bags would think twice, or be weeded from our society!
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Finally someone else thinks like i do. i keep a loaded 20 gauge in my place just for that reason
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Just think about what those two losers were going to do. They probably knew she was young and all alone, probably would have raped and killed her and her baby and stole a pack of cigs. Looks like they got what was coming to them.
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Good for her. Two men that would attempt to do something to a woman and child like that deserved it. Too bad one of them is still wasting oxygen.
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Sorry blazin, but I am glad to hear some think the way I do. I am just happy that law enforcement was on her side. I get tired of hearing stories ( especially in Ca. ) where they protect the criminal more than the victim.
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the guy's partner, because he was an accomplice and someone was killed in the crime, is charged with 1st degree murder.....i love it.
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That's awesome except we will pay to feed, cloth, medical, etc. etc. etc. for him until he dies if he is convicted!
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i agree, but the only crimes he can conduct now are against his cell mates--not innocent citizens. Besides, we need jobs, so, build more jails and prisons and lock more up for longer periods of time. Prison staff pays income taxes, then buys stuff and pay sales tax, property tax, etc....keeps the economy flowing. This leach on the streets collect unemployment, disability, welfare, food stamps, etc... but they also victimize innocent citizens with the crime they conduct. Lock 'em all up forever.
But, lead poisoning would've been a better alternative 8)
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i agree, but the only crimes he can conduct now are against his cell mates--not innocent citizens. Besides, we need jobs, so, build more jails and prisons and lock more up for longer periods of time. Prison staff pays income taxes, then buys stuff and pay sales tax, property tax, etc....keeps the economy flowing. This leach on the streets collect unemployment, disability, welfare, food stamps, etc... but they also victimize innocent citizens with the crime they conduct. Lock 'em all up forever.
But, lead poisoning would've been a better alternative 8)
The prison industry is why its going to be so hard to repeal drug laws in this country. Do you understand the reasoning you just put out? You desire to put more people in cages? Also, who do you think pays for these prisons?
I agree that it's too bad she only got the one, I feel for her to have taken a human life. They apparently were looking for drugs, probably the same stuff they took before the attempted burglary, hydrocodone (generic form of vicadin). Which in itself is more dangerous to the user than a normal opiate. They design it to destroy your liver if you try to take too much. Nice.
If drugs were legal and untaxed (ie cheap), these losers could have just vegged out on the couch rather than trying to force their way into this woman's home and one being sent to burglar Valhalla.
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as long as there are criminals walking the streets, we need more prisons...i'd gladly pay (yes i know who pays for prisons) for more prisons to have safe streets and no crime. If i had my way, more tax money would go to prisons than to disability benefits and welfare---put those people to work...there are desk jobs at prisons too for the disabled.
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i'd like to discuss more about the actual situation----apparently she knew at least one of the perps? ; i'm surprised at how calm she was over the phone.
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i'd like to discuss more about the actual situation----apparently she knew at least one of the perps? ; i'm surprised at how calm she was over the phone.
That just goes to show you that she was not going to take any crap from anybody. Plus just loosing her husband, she was probably a little pissed off.
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This is a pretty good case for gun ownership. She was on the 911 call for 21 minutes before police showed up.
12 gauge in hand > cops on the phone
I'm tired of paying for prisons. I think people should get a second chance. Like if somebody is the victim of a crime where deadly force would have been justified and they didn't have a gun to defend themselves, they should get the second chance to go out and purchase a gun, then have the bad guy pulled out of prison and tied to a tree so they can shoot them.
Or, allow victim's families to administer weekly beatings to the criminals, put it on PayPerView, and use the proceeds to pay for the prison operating costs, so they can keep their hands off my money. I don't pay for cable TV for myself, but my tax money goes to pay for cable in the jails. And those guys are probably being fed better than a lot of law abiding Americans.
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Payper view beatings, you definetly got something there. UFC already has made BILLIONS of dollars.
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as long as there are criminals walking the streets, we need more prisons...i'd gladly pay (yes i know who pays for prisons) for more prisons to have safe streets and no crime. If i had my way, more tax money would go to prisons than to disability benefits and welfare---put those people to work...there are desk jobs at prisons too for the disabled.
Prisons don't bring economic prosperity. If they did, we should all go to prison! Yay! Jobs!
Here's a short video that I'd like you to see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG3AKoL0vEs
We can also discuss striking the root, and not the branches as well.
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Texas, what did i do to you? you are so dang critical of EVERYTHING i say! And literal too!
Money going to workers is better than money going to couch potatoes for free--that does equal a 'better' economy than the alternative. And, getting criminals off the street is great--not a revolving door, let them do real time so your family will be safe.
Now, go ahead and say something against what i just said, as usual. Checkmate.
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Well, there's the problem of the victim paying twice, both to the predator when s/he was victimised, but then also to house the cretin in a place which has the tendency to harden them. It'd be nicer to have somewhat kind of like the situation that CIA guy found himself in Pakistan, the family of the man he murdered was paid several millions (although with tax payer money or possibly drug money the CIA made). Of course, if everyone is armed then, the murder rate will probably drop. No, I actually don't have a problem with a serial killer having guns, as long as his/her victims have one too. Serial killing is about power. A .38 to the head doesn't make one feel very powerful. Plus some serial killers like BTK wore a badge too. LOL.
Don't take my criticisms too personal. I'm asking you to do something. :)
And by the by, I'm more of a checkers person.
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The death penalty needs to make a big comeback. I'm happy she did what she did and for once they aren't pressing charges against the victim. Good for her.
As far as the everyone should have a gun argument, if everyone had a gun (the great equalizer) people wouldnt be so quick to break into peoples homes or even rob them. yes some would get into stupid fights with them but they do that now anyway. just make the punishment for such behavior super-severe.
All the people doing stupid crap with guns are already doing it, like the criminals, all more guns could do is deter more criminals from doing stuff or at least make their job more scary.
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All the people doing stupid crap with guns are already doing it, like the criminals, all more guns could do is deter more criminals from doing stuff or at least make their job more scary.
couldn't have said it better myself, Kenny.
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I will start by saying I carry, every day! That being said, just paying attention to ones surroundings, and knowing whats going on is the greatest defense against being victimized. Knowing what to look for, recognizing a perp, or a potentially bad situation before they act, or it becomes volital.
I was involved in a situation in 1998 where I drew my Glock 17 on three dirt bags. Two of which were known local scum bags. Turns out the third was wanted out of Virginia for a long list of crimes / warrants. Two of them attacked a buddy of mine on his front step while I was standing right there. While the one from Virginia was rolling around on the ground with my buddy, the two locals, that were brothers wanted to mix it up with me. The younger one being about 15 at the time, the older one about 21 or 22 ish. The older one had just been released from the hospital where he had been in a coma for 2 weeks from a car wreck, he was a passenger in his sisters boyfriends truck when they flipped it over several times. ( They were trying to out run a state cop, after steeling a dozen cases of beer! ) After exchanging words, shoving him back away from me, and trying to break up the two on the ground. He still wanted to go with me. Not the first time we had had conflicts as they were my buddies neighbors. They had stolen from him, and about every one else on the street in the past etc. My thoughts were one is under age, the other one is going to hit the dirt and kivy when I punch him in the head! He still had stitches from about the top of his skull all the way down to below his ear from the head injury he sustained in the crash. I drew my weapon, and chambered a round. That perked their ears up a little bit! He asked if I was going to shoot him, I replied I'm not afraid to use it. When they heard that they gathered up the third low life, and ran like school girls.
The local cop ( use the term cop loosely ) had allready been there before my buddy, and I had got there. We were at my shop replacing the clutch in his car, he invited me to his house for food when we finished. It was 1:00 AM, and we had not had any dinner trying to get his car done. My buddies wife had called the police earlier because they were partying at midnight, their kids had school, and she work the next day. Local cop couldn't be bothered to run an ID check on the guy from out of state. Whole thing could have been avoided if he had, as he was wanted.
Local cop shows up with the calvery to a fight that was all over. We called him as my buddy ended up with a broken nose and wanted to press charges. They lugged the guy from Virginia, took my hand gun, and the local cop covered for the older brother saying his mother said he wasn't around town at all that night. It was somewhat well known that the local cop was keeping the mothers bed warm for years prior to this night! I thoughtfully, and politely ( NOT ) brought that up in front of the state cops in discussion too that night!! ;D
Virginia said they would extradite the guy. Next day the judge let him out on $100 cash bail!
Two weeks later My buddy got charged with mutual combat. I was arrested for criminal threatening with a deadly weapon! Was on $30,000 PR bail for a year, and a half. The day before my court date I got a letter in the mail saying no indictment sought, not enough evidence to prove a crime was committed.
Took me almost another year to get my 17 back, and when I did both sites were broken off of it, and all 18 rounds of ammo were missing! ( Thank you New Hampshire State Police )
Would I take the same action again?
Probably!
Knowing a little better now, I might recognize the total scope of things first, and try to avoid the conflict before it escalated to that point.
Also, I chose a public defender, probably one of the best decisions I have ever made in my entire life up to this point! The lawyers I spoke with wanted a big pile of cash, and said they would plee bargin it out for me!
I am all for using deadly force when you have no other options. If more people stood up for them selfs instead of being nambi pambis that think its the police, and or other peoples job to stand up for them, or protect them. We most likely wouldn't be in such a mess as a country!
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there was another case a week ago I think in Florida but some punk shot a 18 year old in the leg or something like that cant remember all the details but I think the perp was standing over the guy he shot in the leg and the mother had enough time to run in her house and grab her gun and kill the perp. I love stories with happy endings ;D. but I will say this some of you know I work for a state prison. and if you think of it I pay a bit of my own salary with taxes. I forget the numbers it’s been a couple years ago but inmates cost the state 34k a year we get paid 32k a year. when I see a inmate go home I tell them I dont want to see them again, most the time its the older ones who been locked up 15+ years that I wont see again its the young dumb ones who violate or do something stupid with in a month of being released. never had I had to pull a weapon out on someone come to thing about it the last fight I was in was in school. do I need a weapon? probably not but when the time comes that I do ever need one (ie. someone is about to cause serous harm to me or my family) then heck yes I would like to have something strapped to my hip or a shotgun close by. usually have one in every room of the house and shells near by. but that’s going to change with the little one getting ready to start crawling around. might just mount them to the walls about 7' up it will take him a while to reach them and by then hopefully he will have enough brains not to touch them unless he needs to. Permits for weapons should require hunters safety classes. They teach you the basics. I used to play with my moms double barrel 4.10 when I was a kid and when I say play I mean taking it apart cleaning it and putting it back together lol
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My father was a tool, and die, machinist by trade. He worked for Sturm Rugar in Newport N.H. I can remember Bill Rugar coming to our house for dinner several times a year. He would always bring several models of the firearm they were having problems with in production. He would leave them for my father to tinker on, and work out the bugs. I always say he was a gunsmith by love of guns and his own nature. He did everything from repairs to building custom rifles. When I say build I mean he started with a German Mauser bolt action receiver. He machined his own bolt. he machined his own barrel, including the rifling. He took a block of wood, and turned into a beautiful stock.
I grew up in a house that at any one time had 150 plus guns in it between his, and his customers. they were all acesable to me even as a child. I knew better than to mess with them unless he was around. Once I got to be about 9 or 10 I had my own guns, and could use them without supervision but not with my friends around.
Firearms are second nature to me, as they should be to all red blooded Americans!!!!
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wow, you've actually met William B. Ruger? In your house? wow. He and Alexander Sturm did indeed start what would later become Sturm, Ruger and Co, but commonly just called Ruger since he designed most of the firearms after Sturm died in '51. He was inspired by the WWII era German Luger 9mm gun. Made a .22 version and pretty much launched his company around 1950. Quite a story.
To have a connection to that is awesome. The talents your dad had are a fading art.
Even Samuel Colt hired a gunsmith to perfect his ideas prior to patent, John Pearson.
I too was around guns ever since i was a kid. growing up in the country, never thought it was a big deal--and it wasn't. Now it seems so many people are so afraid of guns because of what they see in the news and whatever, it's a shame. Guns are your friend and can protect you! Guns never kill anyone, people do.
I went to a gun show today and was pleased that so many people were buying weapons...the computerized background checking system was slowing down due to the volume of checks. Its great to see so many buying weapons. Glad to see so many people are tired of the advantage the criminals have. God made humans, Samuel Colt made them equal.
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Yes, the last time I saw Bill Rugar was about 94 at my fathers funeral.
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Ruger himself died in '02, but left quite a legacy, with the help, I am sure, of people like your dad. Though I don't have one, Rugers are some nice pieces of iron.
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My next two hand guns are going to be a Ruger Super Black Hawk 44 Mag. I also want a Glock 40 cal.
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Praise the LORD, and pass the ammunition.
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I also want a Glock 40 cal.
Ah, great choice. I carry a G 23 .40 cal. for my service weapon and conceal carry off duty with it. Great size and power. It is a compact model of the G 22 .40 cal which we used to carry. I bought my service G 22 from the department--slightly bigger therefore slightly harder to conceal. I would not want to go the biggest size of .40 cal, the G 35 with a 5" barrel. I picked up one of those to hold it at the Gun Show i went to yesterday and it is a monster. It is for shooting competitions and sports.
The G 23 is a great weapon. Smaller than the G 22 and, though i have big hands, it isn't too small for my grip and i qualify consistantly with with 99%. The harder courses i average 96% when i became LE range instructor certified. I love that gun and will buy it from the dept when we go to the next weapon. I have shot so many rounds with it, several thousands, that I need to put a new recoil spring in it.
If you are indeed considering Glocks, look into the Generation 4 models. The have three sets of backstraps and ambidextrous mag release button--on both sides of grip for left handed shooting and a double recoil spring supposedly able to last 5000 rounds before replacing.
I am considering a .45 ACP model of Glock, but, they don't have a compact model yet. they have the G 21, kind of big, and they have a subcompact--G 39--may be too small for me. But, I'll probably get the G 21 Gen 4 model. There are several youtube vids of these guns.
Of course, i still want a Colt 1911 pre WWI model .45 ACP. And a Colt 1860 Single Action Army .44 cal. I saw some yesterday and almost pulled the trigger (pardon the pun), but, i can't spend that money yet.
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I have a first year G 17. I have had that gun since 92.
I also bought G 26 last year in April. Its nice because it hides better, but is a tad small for my hand.
I have been looking at both the G 22, and G 23.
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Colt 1860 Single Action Army .44 cal.
Is this the gun they called the peacemaker?
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Colt 1860 Single Action Army .44 cal.
Is this the gun they called the peacemaker?
close, but, no. Though still a SAA (single Action Army) the 1873 Colt. 45 was the peacemaker and was adopted by the US cavalry and then became legend. they're nice too ;D
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You may want to search the Colt website. It seems to me I seen a recent release of a 1911 that didn't have the 1911A1 updates, but did have the series 80 firing group.
If you are wanting a shooter that would be the way to go. I wouldn't want a 1911 without the firing pin interlock, but if you are looking for a dust collector then the series 80 isn't a big deal.
Now that I think about it, it may have been one of the 100th anniversary 1911s, and I am afraid time has ran out on ordering those.
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I seen a peacemaker one time in the 80's for sale and I've wanted one since i like the look of that gun. It would be more of a wall hanger for me though. do you guys go to gun shows a lot? If so could I pm you about something I'm lookin for?
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i wouldn't mind a peacemaker one bit. I like history and i am partial to famous guns that were good enough to get the gov't contract. The 1860 Colt SAA, since i love researching the civil war (i do live in VA), the 1873 Colt 45 peacemaker, the 1911 Colt .45 ACP, then the mid '80's Beretta 9mm.
It is hard to beleive the Colt 1911 was the standard issue for the military for over 70 years--up to '85 when Beretta won it with their 9mm.
I'd love to have an early version of each one of these models. My bucket list contains having one of each before they put me 6 feet under.
Yeah, Enginneer, i'd love to have an early 1911, prior to the A1 updates of 1918. I wouldn't do much with a 100th anniv. I do want actual history pieces and be able to shoot it at least once a year.
The agency I work with was one of the very first L.E. agencies in the U.S. to adopt the use of Glock for the primary service weapon. Our patch is on their 2nd advertising poster for Glock and their famous slogan, "first they fired us, then they hired us". When i first started, we still used S&W .38 spcl revolvers. I still have my S&W model 65 (.38 spcl and 357 mag). I started using the Glock 17 9mm. Still have that one too, that I bought.
GTO, i do go to gun shows all the time---it's amazing the deals that can be had there. Were retail price for new Glocks is around $600, you can buy them all day at shows for $100 less than that--Gen 4's are slightly more expensive but still cheaper on shows. You might want to try gunbroker.com you can learn a lot about historical weapons just plugging different models in the search browser and reading the descriptions. I save pics to my computer of all kinds of guns i am interested in. It's fun.
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Here is one I'm thinking about getting after things get back to normal for me. I've never shot a pistol before and I was thinking this would be a good one to learn with. It's a Ruger 22/45. Whats your opinion on this gun for a beginner.
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nothing wrong with a Ruger 22/45. I am not a fan of the german luger design, but, Ruger liked them and started quite a company from it.
If i were to get a .22 semi auto, I think the classic 1911 design is awesom, so the Chiappa 1911-22 would be my bet. You can get them under 3 bills. I love that you can shoot them all day for cheap, a box of 500 40 grain .22LR is about $25.
I have Winchester Lever action rifle 9422 that shoots .22 lr's and love that rifle. Can shoot it all day.
go to gunbroker.com and plug in 'Chiappa 1911-22' they have the classic Colt 1911 look and feel. Great for target practice.
But, for real defense, you gotta consider at least a 9mm caliber. But, as a beginner, a .22 is great to start with and cheap.
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Maybe its because I like the look of the German Luger that drew me to the Ruger 22/45. Don't get me wrong the Chiappa 1911-22 isn't a bad looking gun either but i like the looks of the Ruger a little better. Later on I would like to get a 9mm but for now I'm going to stick to the .22 until after my arm heals completely and I learn what all my limitations are.
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the ruger should be a real good one then. you should like it.
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Here's a good book on the history of the man, Ruger, and his company
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PUDaWCK%2BL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Ruger-His-Guns-History-Firearms/dp/0785821031/ref=pd_luc_sbs_02_04_t_lh
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I went to a gun show today and got a new toy. I wanted a Colt 1911 that shoots .22 LR for a while. Well, I read about the new Colt .22 1911 and decided to go look for one at the gun show. Sure enough, I found one. It's now sitting right next to me on my couch. I picked up a 500 rounds of .22 LR for $20 while i was at the show. Man, I love gun shows. Next gun show is in March and I may pick up an original WWI Colt 45 ACP 1911 Military issue. I saw a bunch there today for under $2k. Yep, price is right.
There something about the classic 1911 look....
(http://www.colt22rimfire.com/uploads/images/2245700_ls.jpg)
http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=colt-1911
http://ezine.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=86
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Nice. That may be my next .22 pistol. Post back on how it cycles the ammo. Most autoloader .22's I have been around have a tough time cycling the action because of the low recoil. I saw a Browning commemorative 1911 in .22lr with gold inlay at the local shop recently for $3k :o