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General Site Info => General Discussion => Topic started by: Blazin on September 30, 2012, 12:38:36 am
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Getting into a bar fight?
Was at my local hang out last Sat. night, friends of mine were playing there. Having a drink or two, catching up with a woman I went to school with, and hadn't seen in 16 plus years. I'm good friends with the bar tender, her sister and brother in law own the place. Its usually pretty mellow, even if things get a little tense its usually ended quick, and quietly.
I see the owner asking these two guys to lay off the drunk married woman on the dance floor as her husband was getting upset. They were giving him guff. He asked them to leave. That's when their 5 buddies decided they were going to get involved. I went over to stand with him. They all went down the stairs and outside. The seven guys, the owner, his wife, their son who works in the kitchen, the bar tender, me and one other paytron / friend. Outside it turns into a mess. Three scuffles, us trying to keep things as non violent as possible.
Fourth scuffle this guy attacked the owner. I tried to break it up. They go down into the back of a pickup truck, the guy gets a trailer hitch into the ribs. Then I get pushed face down in the gavel, and punched in the back of the head. That's when I got ugly. I came up swingin. Rolled myself over, side kicked a guy in the face. Got to my knees, and the guy that pushed me down, and hit me was laying face up in front of me. Lets just say his face got in the way of my fist a bunch of times!
Then all settled, waiting for the cops to show up. We all went back inside. Cops and ambulance came. They treated the guy I hit for broken nose, and eye socket bones. the guy that caught the trailer hitch got lugged to the hospital with a bunch of broken ribs, and a punctured lung!
Me, well I waited till Monday. Went to the ER, I have 4th Metacarpel fracture, and 5th Metacarpel broken in my right hand!
Cops reviewed the tapes from the security cameras, said we are all good. We did everything we could to keep it from escalating. Said they defiantly started it.
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Not if you win.
Always have to step in to help friends & family.
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i would say 42 is too old to be going to places like that in the first place. There are better alternatives.
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Blazin,
You are well within your means to defend yourself or protect the innocent and you're never too old to go out and have fun with your friends. Unfortunately people lose their self control easily with alcohol so you always have to be prepared for the worst. You may remember I did the same a few years ago and got stabbed? I was just there to give a drunk a safe ride home and ended up giving myself a ride to the Hospital. Luckily the injuries weren't worse for you guys but broken ribs are awful and puncturing a lung on top of it really sucks.
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Well him, and his buddies started it, they reap what they sow!
So Stewart at what age is one supposed to stop going out for a drink, have some of the best food around, dance, maybe shoot pool, or some darts, and listen to their friend's band play classic rock? Not to mention I work the door at another place in town thast more a sports bar a friend of mine owns once in a while on busy weekends. So I am no stranger to dealing with idiots after they have had a few to many!
Just so its clear I am not a drinker, or a drunk. When I go out once a week, on occasion twice if the bands are good, allot of the time I will drink water, or iced tea. If I do drink its one or two, unless someone else is driving, and even then 4 drinks would be about it.
A place like that? Whats that supossed to mean?
Its an inn. They have a lovely restaurant, Japanese, Italian, and a nice tavern upstairs. People in there all the time from 21, to 91.
Like I said never usually any major problems, once in a while there will be a couple idiots that push each other around, or trade a punch each. It always gets stopped right off.
These seven guys showed up there looking for trouble. They hadn't been there 20 minutes and were being asked to leave.
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Is 42 too old to get in a bar fight ? Apparently not , but there's nothing you can do about it now. You stood up for for your friends and tried to keep it from getting out of control , I admire that . Too many would not have gotten involved . It could have ended much worse if you were not there .
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Yeah that's the other thing. About 30 people, mostly men went came out behind us. Only one other beside myself stepped up to do the right thing. All the rest did the heavy onlooking, then ran their mouths about what they did, or what they would have done for the rest of the night!
I was raised to stand up for the right reasons. My father always told me.
" Boy, you better ever not start a fight, but if it comes down to you being in one if you can't avoid it. you darn well better be the one to finish it ".
Took me a few years to take this to heart.
My mother was a police officer, I grew up being bullied by older kids, or groups of kids. I took allot of crap. It made me a stronger person, both mentally, and physically. I learned to block out pain, physical, and emotional. I can remember watching other kids, even older ones stand by, and doing nothing when I was being beat up in elementary school by several middle school, or high schoolers. At some point I decided to fight back, and win when I did. I figured what the heck. I got in trouble from teachers, etc. if I got beat up, I might as well fight back. I was going to get penalized either way! That decision change me for the rest of my life. I will never until I can't physically, stand by, and watch an unfair fight in my life ever. Or stand by and watch a bully, or group of bullies try, and do or take what they want. Even if it means in the end having an injury to myself.
Not the first time I have gotten involved in this type of situation. Its been a few years since anything got this out of control. Usually it ends quieter, and with less violence.
Funny thing about most bullies. If you stand up to them, they will back down!
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You did the right thing. Because I know that you are a nonviolent person, I also know how much of a man you are to put yourself in a violent situation like that. If you had it to do all over again I know you would man up and be there for your friends again.
I try real hard to avoid situations like that. I grew up in a rough area during a rough time. If you went out and ran your mouth you could plan on getting your butt kicked. I had a lot of large friends that enjoyed it when somebody ran their mouth looking for a fight. Me, not so much...lol. Many more times than I wanted I was forced into bad situations because of the company that I kept. I was always the smallest guy there so I was the guy that most of them wanted to fight with. Lucky me huh? It didn't take me long to figure out that getting beat sucks and I probably wasn't going to walk away if I just went outside and put up my dukes if I had too. I also knew never to back down from anybody though. So things changed with me. I would do everything possible not to get into a real fight with someone. I also made it perfectly clear that it would not be as straight forward as kicking my a**, you might get hurt real bad because I have no intention of getting my a** kicked tonight. I used to like to end fights about a second before they started. (Not with knives or guns or anything like that) I have felt plenty guilty for hurting people that thought it would be fun and easy to whomp up on me just because they thought they could. I also have ended up in court over it before too. When I became a dad I didn't change but I would usually leave the situation just in case and consider it a favor to the other guy. Sometimes though you have no choice with some people and those are the people that deserve what they get and hopefully learn from it. Why I said that you were a man for putting yourself in a violent situation wasn't because I thought you were afraid. I know that isn't true. More because I can relate to having to do it when it was the last thing on your mind that night.
Good for you for showing the bullies that they cannot push people around without consequences.
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Blazin, it takes real courage to manifest personal character and maintain your integrity in spite of potential consequences or personal loss. You managed to achieve both! You offered them every opportunity to back away and they refused. Their loss - literally - too bad. Cowards run in groups - they need to, to validate and fuel one another's ill will. Perhaps one or more of them have learned some humility and will think twice in the future.
It's obvious that you don't look for trouble. There is no one right answer to your question. Every 'situation' encountered has to be evaluated in and of itself. When is it time to stop living? NEVER! Kudos to you for standing your ground!
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Interesting... I hope those guys don't return with a lawyer.
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Cops watched the video tapes from all the cameras when they showed up. They have the whole place inside, and out set up with about 20 cameras. They said we have nothing to worry about. Said we tried everything we could to make them leave without being violent.
Found out today the guy I was swingin on got his but handed to him a few moths ago too. Him, and his brother started some crap at a local private residence, friend of his sons family's place.
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Your never too old to get in a bar fight. I don't recommend it though. ;)
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as i have gotten older, with each year that passes i have learned/try not to get agitated over unnecessary BS reasoning that there are plenty of people out there that will get in your face and force you to become agitated, sounds like this was one of those times for you. when your back is up against the wall and your hand is forced you usually "do what you need to do" i don't think there can be an age limit set on that.
my old man always used to say....
"better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a lamb"
just curious, how old were those other guys?
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Not positive on the ages. The youngest was 21 / 22ish, oldest was 34.
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i figured as much.......
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Blazin.... I applaud you for getting involved and trying to keep things civil, even if the douches weren't having it. 42 is not too old... 92 is not too old, as long as you don't ruin yourself over it.... I've been in a similar situation to this a couple of times. I'd do it again. I got beat up and did some beating up, but things didn't go any farther than that.... and I'm big enough at 6'3" I can take a beating if it goes to me and NOT some woman.... ANY woman.
I say you did the right/correct thing. This isn't something to brag about, but it is... Violence is always deplorable, but I will do it if it brings the crap onto me and not some innocent. I'm proud of you bro, you did rightby your friends, because you did what you thought was right... that's all we have man. I go by what I thinks right even if it gets me beat up.
If only more people acted like you, this world would be a better place.
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Sorry to chime in so late. Have been away for awhile.
Blazin, in this situation I would say you were right, regardless of what happened to you.
Coming from someone who does not drink, but has lots of friends who do drink, and at 45 I still love to hang out with friends. With that said, my philosophy is this.
1. Never stand around when a women is getting abused no matter what. Men are supposed to be protectors of women and children, always has been, always will be.
2. A friend is suppose to always be there for a friend, if not then you are not a friend.
If one of my male friends wants to start something then he should be able to finish it.
Now I have always made sure it is a 1 on 1 fight in that case ( I don't know why but people say I have an intimidating demeanor, I do not know why, maybe it the reputation I have).
3. Never start something, but if something does get started YOU BETTER DA@@ WELL FINISH IT, at least that is what dad always said and so for have not let him down.
If you truly stop to think back of every time you got in a fight, can you say that it solved anything by fighting ? Granted that some times people just need their head hit a few times to clear the cobwebs out.
I heard that someone wrote " that it takes a bigger man not to fight".
Blazin, I just have to say that I am glad you are OK, relatively speaking. I am also very happy you are not one like some that when gets pushed too far looses control and goes into berserker mode and destroy's everthing.
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Nowt wrong with being 42 - I'm gonna be there in a week or two!
The song goes - Promise me Son not to do the things I've done, walk away from trouble when you can...........
Exactly that - when you can.
I'm 75kgs so not a heavy weight by far but I'll warn anyone wanting to fight "you better make the first punch a good one". I'm a quick SOB when riled and left many on the floor, never been put down and still have my young (ish) looks. I'm not proud of fighting but if pushed to defend people/property and it's the last resort then I'm there.
Deep down I'm a lover not a fighter.
Just remember Becky & the Gatlin boys - the young 'uns on here might need YouTube to help!
Andy
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Hey guys. Been a while since I've been on here. B/W my job and my family keeping me busy, time is very scarce nowadays. Now, last week I just turned 45. Age is but one factor, but it denotes perhaps another imbedded in that number--wisdom. But, again, even that is just one factor. It's funny what kids and a wife do to an otherwise unrestrained character. But, even with all that, I'd have to say, just as I preach to my 7-yr old son who now holds a blue belt in martial arts, that if you don't stand up for principal, you are nobody. I've given him the green light to kick the but of any bully that may try to show their ignorance on him.
I've always been able to handle my share but will say I have not always left unscathed, or even in better shape than others, but, no matter how many times I got intimate with the ground, I'd always stand back up to prove a point--it proves nothing to initiate a physical altercation over something that has nothing to do with one's muscles or quickness. All too often I find that some try to compensate for their lack of brain cells with muscle cells to try to impress others. My brother was always much bigger than me and could and would kick my but so many times growing up. But, I'd stand right back up to prove that it means nothing to be larger than someone else, but, standing up for a purpose is what's important. He learned, though it took a while for those neurons of his to clearly see it, that it was pointless to kick his little brother. I made him look bad because he never proved anything from it except to show that his kid brother had more will power. Perhaps those many encounters of a young lad influenced what I became later in life in terms of a career--standing up for what's right and the fact one will not get away with their immature behavior.
Lets just say his face got in the way of my fist a bunch of times!
I love this. Reminds me of the 1979 Daytona 500 which ended in a crash on the last lap and resulted in the two lead cars, Cale Yarborough and Donny Allison, in a tango on the front stretch in front of millions on live TV--the first live broadcast flag to flag of a NASCAR race. The King went on to go from 3rd to victory. When Bobby Allison parked his car next to the mangled cars of the other two drivers still dancing, Bobby taught Cale that it wasn't cool to mess with his brother. He said, "Cale's face hit my hand many times during that misunderstanding."
It sounds like those modern-day Gatlin Boys (Yes, Andy, Kenny Rogers was a legend--before all those plastic surgeries) just don't learn from their mistakes. Perhaps it's from getting amnesia from all those licks each time they show their true colors.