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Title: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 10, 2013, 07:45:36 pm
I have been trying to figure out what exactly will be required of my 1978 K10 Stepside Pickup here in Sacramento County since moving from SB County and I can't seem to get a straight answer.

First, I haven't been able to confirm if it is a federal rig or a California rig.  I spent an hour on the phone with Chevrolet trying to get that determined.

Second, assuming it is federal, I was told by one shop that I need to take off my after-market Holly and replace it with a original equipment (quadrajet, etc.).

I don't understand why Sacrament County would require that I replace my Holly after 3 consecutive smogs in Santa Barbara County.

Bottom-line, I am wondering what exactly I need to do to pass this thing in Sac, who to work with that I can trust or if I should just register this thing in Montana under one of those LLC programs.

Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated. 
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: DuckAholic1 on December 10, 2013, 09:39:25 pm
No expert here by any means, but I do believe that Caifornia smog is California smog. I dont believe it is any differant rules/laws between counties. That being said, If you have had it smogged in SB county with no problems, Then the same will be true in Sac County. Please keep us posted on how it goes.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: Boone83K10 on December 10, 2013, 11:00:06 pm
Move out of California. In NC, there are differences between counties..some have emissions for 96 and newer vehicles, some do not. Mine is safety only for all registered vehicles regardless of year..so there could be differences between counties in CA.

 

Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: darmentle on December 11, 2013, 08:11:28 am
Anything aftermarket Requires a CARB apportioned sticker. Also if you truck wasn't made for a smog legal state like CA your gonna have to change over some stuff. catalytic converters smog pump etc.  I have lived in CA my whole life the smog is BS this state gets worse every year on it. Also anything 1975 and older is pre smog.
This link might help you

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/02_SmogCheck/Used_Vehicle_Smog_Equip_Req.html
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 11, 2013, 08:16:52 am
No expert here by any means, but I do believe that Caifornia smog is California smog. I dont believe it is any different rules/laws between counties. That being said, If you have had it smogged in SB county with no problems, Then the same will be true in Sac County. Please keep us posted on how it goes.

I want to believe it shouldn't make a difference, but the majority of folks tell me that Santa Barbara County is less stringent because its air quality isn't as bad (on the coast) as here in the Valley.  I've been to three shops that have been consistent on that all wanting me to take the truck back to stock emissions. 

This is where it gets tricky and starts to feel like its very subjective and will depend a lot on who thinks they know what about this truck.

This truck has been in my family for 30 years.  Its been running headers and duel exhaust without cats most of that life.  The engine isn't original (big surprise).

So, depending on who I talk to, they want manifolds put back on, the original carb, cats, a new exhaust system that includes a "Y" to the cat and then back out to dual.

I've been quoted $1500 - $2200 to get it all done to pass smog by two of the shops. 

One of the more reasonable smog shops said if I was passing in Santa Barbara, he'd be able to pass me...if I got rid of my Holly carb, the same carburetor that I was passing with in SB County.  Now how does that make sense and where am I supposed to find a quadrajet just laying around?

So, I'm hoping someone on this board has experience with how one might go about this.

Like I said, I'm seriously thinking about starting a company in Montana just so I can make this a Montana truck here in crazy California.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 11, 2013, 08:21:31 am
Anything aftermarket Requires a CARB apportioned sticker. Also if you truck wasn't made for a smog legal state like CA your gonna have to change over some stuff. catalytic converters smog pump etc.  I have lived in CA my whole life the smog is BS this state gets worse every year on it. Also anything 1976 and older is pre smog.

Hi Darmentle,

the irony is that I don't think anyone can tell me if this is a federal truck or a California truck.  Based on the VIN, it was built in Fremont, but I spent an hour on the phone with Chevrolet yesterday trying to determine if it was manufactured for California emissions or if it was federal and they don't have records that can tell them that and all of the "stickers" (the truck is almost 40 years old) are no longer under the good or in the glovebox. 

So, I told the lady that I'm just going to call it a federal rig, who is going to know better than me?  A referee?  What resources do they have that Chevy doesn't on this truck?  They aren't going to find the stickers...

Bottom-line, I don't want to change anything.  I want a shop to smog what I have, like they were doing in Santa Barbara County.  I have three consecutive smog certifications from down there, why can't I keep that going?
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 11, 2013, 09:45:41 am
Attached is the pic of my rig that I'm trying to smog.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: darmentle on December 11, 2013, 03:27:25 pm
yea i would try and do the federal way if you can. Like i said this state is a joke when it comes to smog. Now they make newer diesels smog. Also for awhile they where trying to get motorcycles to but it never passed. Good Luck
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 11, 2013, 05:12:52 pm
I was passing just fine in Santa Barbara County, but mechanics up here are telling me all sorts of stories about what I need to pass smog in Sacramento County. 

I don't know anyone who knows exactly what is needed and then I get the, "you need to talk to a referee."  Not exactly what I want to hear.

Suggestions or thoughts are appreciated.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 11, 2013, 05:15:45 pm
Is there a mechanic in the Sacramento area that specializes in older Chevrolets that someone recommends I contact to help me pass smog in Sacramento County?

I most recently passed smog in Santa Barbara County in 2011, but apparently things are stricter here? 

I need someone I can trust and that is knowledgable. I really want to keep her on the road.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: 454Man on December 11, 2013, 06:07:57 pm
Yea that truck came stock with a fuel injected vortec :-) very nice truck!

What's under the hood??? If you have to ask maybe we shouldn't race!

Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: Boone83K10 on December 11, 2013, 07:54:48 pm
Can you not re register it in the previous county where it was passing? Use old address...work the system like everyone . Find a guy who will stick the sniffer in a different vehicle but use results for your truck. This happens all time in the county my parents live in...

 

Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: bd on December 11, 2013, 08:55:39 pm
..."you need to talk to a referee."  Not exactly what I want to hear.

Regardless, the referee has the final say and adjudication on what constitutes compliance and non-compliance!  Call the local BAR office and request an appointment.  Perhaps you can secure a temporary extension from DMV, since you recently relocated(?).

There are a few members from the greater Sac area who may be able to shed more light on your immediate dilemma, although they may not visit the board on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: DuckAholic1 on December 11, 2013, 09:42:31 pm
Is there a mechanic in the Sacramento area that specializes in older Chevrolets that someone recommends I contact to help me pass smog in Sacramento County?

I most recently passed smog in Santa Barbara County in 2011, but apparently things are stricter here? 

I need someone I can trust and that is knowledgable. I really want to keep her on the road.

Thanks in advance!

Let start by saying...Beautiful Truck!!!!!
I have lived in The Sacramento area all my life, & I have never heard of separate smog rules between counties in Ca. Someone is pulling your chain!!!! I currently live in yolo county, there is no laws stoping me from having my truck/car smoged  in Fresno county and vise versa!!! To the best of my knowledge Ca. Smog laws are the same throughout Ca. If you find out any different I would love for you to let us know!
Meanwhile, I do happen to know of a shop with great knowledge of these trucks. Sense I don't want to sound as if I am advertising , I will send you a pm with the name.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 12, 2013, 12:10:23 pm


Let start by saying...Beautiful Truck!!!!!
I have lived in The Sacramento area all my life, & I have never heard of separate smog rules between counties in Ca. Someone is pulling your chain!!!! I currently live in yolo county, there is no laws stoping me from having my truck/car smoged  in Fresno county and vise versa!!! To the best of my knowledge Ca. Smog laws are the same throughout Ca. If you find out any different I would love for you to let us know!
Meanwhile, I do happen to know of a shop with great knowledge of these trucks. Sense I don't want to sound as if I am advertising , I will send you a pm with the name.


Thanks DuckAholic1.  Everyone I spoke to has said the county to county restrictions can be different.  The coast counties are less restrictive because they don't have the air quality issues that the inland counties have, i.e. Sacramento.  Ironic that the restrictions are tighter inland when, in Sac Valley, much of the pollution is blown in...

I'll let you know what more I learn.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: kyledub on December 16, 2013, 12:40:41 pm
I am having the same problem with my 78 383. I have all my stock CA equipment with smog approved headers and a newer edelbrock quad. The last time it was smogged was 6 years ago, it passed with flying colors. Now it failed the NOx. I hate this libtard state!
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: 454Man on December 16, 2013, 01:55:53 pm
Try some rxp I've had good results. My sisters BMW wouldn't pass until we ran rxp through two tanks

What's under the hood??? If you have to ask maybe we shouldn't race!

Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: kyledub on December 16, 2013, 02:13:28 pm
rxp? Whats that stand for?
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: 454Man on December 16, 2013, 07:01:00 pm
Idk wish I really knew, but check this link out http://www.rxp.com/the-results/d-o-t-test/
Can not go wrong by giving it a shot. I ran two tanks by the least quarter I took the test and passed no prob. Wish I had saved the b4 and after test results. But they were significant

What's under the hood??? If you have to ask maybe we shouldn't race!

Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: SILVERADO on December 16, 2013, 08:49:41 pm
In Tennessee the counties that touch a major city, i.e. Memphis, Nashville,Knoxville, have to have an emissions test. The other "rural" counties dont. Unfair, I say, why is one counties air more important than another?
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: bake74 on December 16, 2013, 09:26:43 pm
Is there a mechanic in the Sacramento area that specializes in older Chevrolets that someone recommends I contact to help me pass smog in Sacramento County?

I most recently passed smog in Santa Barbara County in 2011, but apparently things are stricter here? 

I need someone I can trust and that is knowledgable. I really want to keep her on the road.

Thanks in advance!

Let start by saying...Beautiful Truck!!!!!
I have lived in The Sacramento area all my life, & I have never heard of separate smog rules between counties in Ca. Someone is pulling your chain!!!! I currently live in yolo county, there is no laws stoping me from having my truck/car smoged  in Fresno county and vise versa!!! To the best of my knowledge Ca. Smog laws are the same throughout Ca. If you find out any different I would love for you to let us know!
Meanwhile, I do happen to know of a shop with great knowledge of these trucks. Sense I don't want to sound as if I am advertising , I will send you a pm with the name.

     Sorry for the late reply, been on vacation for a few weeks and then catching up on work.
 
     Just to clear up some confusion about Ca. smog.  The state of California has a standard smog level, they have been pushing the federal government to be able to increase the requirements in California but the auto makers have been fighting back.
     As far as I know all counties in California require the same smog, but there are some that do not require the bi-annual smog upon registration.  See insert below.

      http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm

  "   Which counties require a smog inspection for the registration renewal?

Counties that Require a Smog Inspection for Vehicle Registration Renewal
Alameda   Butte   Colusa   Contra Costa   Fresno
Glenn   Kern   Kings   Los Angeles   Madera
Marin   Merced   Monterey   Napa   Nevada
Orange   Sacramento   San Benito   San Francisco   San Joaquin
San Luis Obispo   San Mateo   Santa Barbara   Santa Clara   Santa Cruz
Shasta   Solano   Stanislaus   Sutter   Tehama
Tulare   Ventura   Yolo   Yuba   

There are six counties that require smog certifications within certain Zip Codes only. These counties are:

El Dorado, Placer, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Sonoma.

Follow this link to determine which Zip Codes are included. "

     With that being said, I would say the shop or shops you have taken your truck to are full of it. 
   
     Referee Centers are located throughout the state, primarily at California
Community College sites. Call (800) 622-7733 to schedule an appointment with a
Referee Center.

     Here is one for Sacramento.        

American River College
4700 College Oak Drive
Sacramento, Calif. 95841

     Hope this helps, that is why I build pre 75 vehicles only.

Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: DuckAholic1 on December 16, 2013, 10:15:14 pm
Very well said bake!!! Thanks for the great info!!
I was thinking the same thing about those shops!! It just didn't add up!!
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 17, 2013, 01:58:59 am
 


     Sorry for the late reply, been on vacation for a few weeks and then catching up on work.
 
     Just to clear up some confusion about Ca. smog.  The state of California has a standard smog level, they have been pushing the federal government to be able to increase the requirements in California but the auto makers have been fighting back.
     As far as I know all counties in California require the same smog, but there are some that do not require the bi-annual smog upon registration.  See insert below.

      http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm

  "   Which counties require a smog inspection for the registration renewal?

Counties that Require a Smog Inspection for Vehicle Registration Renewal
Alameda   Butte   Colusa   Contra Costa   Fresno
Glenn   Kern   Kings   Los Angeles   Madera
Marin   Merced   Monterey   Napa   Nevada
Orange   Sacramento   San Benito   San Francisco   San Joaquin
San Luis Obispo   San Mateo   Santa Barbara   Santa Clara   Santa Cruz
Shasta   Solano   Stanislaus   Sutter   Tehama
Tulare   Ventura   Yolo   Yuba   

There are six counties that require smog certifications within certain Zip Codes only. These counties are:

El Dorado, Placer, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Sonoma.

Follow this link to determine which Zip Codes are included. "

     With that being said, I would say the shop or shops you have taken your truck to are full of it. 
   
     Referee Centers are located throughout the state, primarily at California
Community College sites. Call (800) 622-7733 to schedule an appointment with a
Referee Center.

     Here is one for Sacramento.        

American River College
4700 College Oak Drive
Sacramento, Calif. 95841

     Hope this helps, that is why I build pre 75 vehicles only.



Thanks Bake74.

I was back at this again today. Another shop, another different set of thoughts and suggestions.  In the morning I'll post a scan of his copied "requirements" as he sees them, depending if i am a federal truck or a California truck.

If I'm a CA truck, I'm screwed.  I've got a ton of stuff missing and that I've never seen.  If I am a federal truck, I need a new air filter...and a couple of other things.

Ultimately, no one so far can tell me if it is a federal truck. Not GM, not any shop, not any website.  So, the guy said, call a referee and hope he says it's federal.  The only documentation I have that supports that it is federal is that I have some original dealer paperwork, showing that it was first sold in Spokane, WA.  That would make me think it was made by GM for a federal sale, but it was built in Fremont, CA, which makes today's mechanics think that the percentage is high that if it was built in CA, it was built for CA. 

Any idea on how I can prove to a referee that it was a federal truck?
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: bake74 on December 17, 2013, 08:11:38 pm
     More than likely all GM trucks sold to the western 9 states where made on the west coast, so they made both Ca. trucks and federal trucks in Fremont.  Just a couple of months ago I saw a 77 k10 being sold in Stockton, Ca. that was a federal truck.  It was made in Fremont, so don't pay attention to someone who is just guessing that made in Ca. can only mean it was meant for Ca.  Anybody with a half a brain should know better than that.
     The major difference between a federal truck and a Ca. truck is a federal did not come equipped with a catalytic converter.  Is your exhaust original or do you know if it had or has a catalytic converter on it ?

"The only documentation I have that supports that it is federal is that I have some original dealer paperwork, showing that it was first sold in Spokane, WA. "

      That is impressive that you have paperwork from the original purchase of the truck, are you the original owner ?  Also have you tried to contact the dealership that you have paperwork on to see if they are still open and by chance might have some other paperwork in their archives on your truck ?  It would be worth a shot.
     If I were you I would make an appointment with a referee and go in there with the attitude that it is a federal truck, if the ref. is going to say it is not, ask them to prove it.  The only way they can really prove it is by the vin# and they might not want to take the time to prove it is not.  Especially if your truck is running good and will pass the sniff test with what you got.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: morrow07 on December 19, 2013, 12:17:06 am
Just went through this crap in Oct-Nov. My truck is in San Mateo County which requires smog. Very simple solution. Went to my in laws in Placer County and got myself a PO box. They only require smog for title transfers. I've owned the truck since 97, so no problem. I go to Tahoe about 6 times a year, so swinging by the PO box is a piece of cake. So, no smog for me until the communist ruin that county as well.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 20, 2013, 12:01:42 pm
Thanks bake74.  I'm going to make that appointment and do just as you say.  Force them to prove it.

I am not the original owner.  I am either the 3rd or 4th.  The truck was my dad's and I think he was the 2nd owner, but there may have been one person between him and the original owner.  Not sure.  Its been in the family since '84.

The engine was replaced in '85/6 and the exhaust has been replaced twice by me and I have never included catalytic converters during either of those times.  I'll ask my father if he recalls one being on their when he purchased it. 

I'll reach out to the dealer, that's not a bad suggestion.  However, if they operate anything like GM Headquarters, the chances a slim to none. 

Thanks, I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 20, 2013, 01:08:16 pm
Called the dealer in Pullman, WA.  No luck.  No records that old.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: bake74 on December 26, 2013, 02:48:08 pm
Called the dealer in Pullman, WA.  No luck.  No records that old.

     It was a shot in the dark, but worth the effort.  Keep me informed on what happens, ok.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on December 26, 2013, 04:48:16 pm
I'm on my way to the referee.  I'll have my answer by the end of the first week of January.

I'm going into the meeting ready to pass smog as a federal truck.  I've spent the week making sure that it will pass based on that standard. 

If I fail the smog test, then I have 60 days to fix it.  In those 60 days I'll be registering it in Montana or Wyoming or something.  I'm not going to put all that stuff back on this truck now. 
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on January 13, 2014, 07:14:12 am
Its done.

On Friday I received my tabs.  I went from being told that I was looking at $2200 to finally paying $397, parts and labor.

I was also able to avoid the referee appointment.  The same shop that did the work agreed with me that all the evidence pointed to the fact that I had a federal truck and not a California truck.

So, I'm legally back on the road for another two years in Sac County.

If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to post my smog results.  Despite having a little bit of noticeable coloration coming out the exhaust, I passed with what I would consider flying colors.  Especially when you consider the age of this rebuild.

Now, onto the hood project.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: bake74 on January 13, 2014, 08:21:16 pm
     Glad to hear you got it taken care of, just curious what shop did you use in Sac. ?
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on January 13, 2014, 08:33:26 pm
Hey bake74, without grabbing my receipt, it was John Ellis Garage off of I Street downtown.

They took the time to really look into this with me.


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Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: NCali on January 16, 2014, 10:22:47 pm
I just went through the smog Nitemare in Sacramento.One of the biggest problems I ran into was finding a smog shop to smog a 1987 305 TBI. This truck has a completely stock engine and nothing has been removed , modified or missing from the smog system and I knew of no reason this truck should not pass. I went to several test and repair star stations . The smog techs were reluctant to do the smog because the state is grading the performance of the star stations and a failed test reduces their score.
  I finally convinced Bob on franklin blvd that the truck would pass. It passed the emission test at $58.00 but I had a piece of heater hose running from the valve on the back of my smog pump to the air cleaner. THAT IS A WATER HOSE , NOT AN EMISSION HOSE. 
 The smog tech saw that as soon as he opened the hood but the LAW does not allow him to tell me that it would fail the visual because that hose was not an emission hose.
 so I could correct it prior to spending $58.00, instead They wanted the price of the hose , $72.00 for an hour labor (putting the hose on) and another $58.00 for running the test all over again.  Of course failing it the first day cost me another day off of work
  I dont mind complying with the smog test but every time you have to get a test you are at the mercy of a smog shop doing everything they can to get as much money as they can out of you
  The last time I looked, that heater hose was made  out of rubber , just like an emission hose , but they made an extra $150.00 by failing the truck the first time.
  Just a few pointers : make sure that every vacuum hose is on and in the correct location,  That your air cleaner has that little filter on the smog hose, And that flex hose from the exhaust manifold to the air cleaner is the correct size and clamped at both ends
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: jwill226 on January 19, 2014, 12:09:21 am
Before I get flamed because something I am saying has already been covered I didn't read everything but this is what I know:

I am currently working on smoging a 78 350 k10 in CA.  This is what I have learned.  There might be some different rules for different counties I am in Del Norte so what I'm saying is true here.

First off you can smog in any county as long as you have it done in CA.  So if you know it will pass with someone else go there.

I also have a Holly on mine.  I am in the process of having a Quad rebuilt so I can change that back.  This is required regardless unless you have a CARB sticker and all the needed vacume ports on your aftermarket carb.

CATs are required on most K10s.  I just had one installed on my single exhaust.

My smog guy says if the sticker under the hood is visable they have to follow it.  This year of 350 in Chevy trucks sold in CA came with 3 smog packages: 

Some where federal  all they need is the stock or CARB aproved carb, intake, fuel canaster (can't remember the proper name should be behind your drivers side headlight),and all the proper vacume lines hooked up.  If the sticker is missing the smog tech can assume its federal.

Some although more rare came with everything for federal + egr and CATs

A majority came with everything listed above plus the smog pump setup.

My smog tech was very clear that if the sticker is missing and there is not a manafold with ports for a smog pump system then they can't prove its not federal.  There is no way they can look at the VIN and tell what smog equipmenmt it came with.  Also where it was made has nothing to do with it.  Mine was not made in CA but it was built for CA smog requirments.

I hope this info will be helpfull to someone.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: CA Big Red on January 19, 2014, 01:17:18 am
jwill226, I haven't fully explained how I got my passed, but there are a couple of considerations in addition to what you've mentioned above. 

For instance, I passed with a Holly, headers and no catalytic converters.  How?  I was considered a federal heavy duty half ton.  I don't have any stickers to speak of, my GVWR is 6200 and the VIN shows it as a K10. 

I had to add the proper vacuum lines and heat stove from my header to the air filter.  He changed my timing and I passed.

Of course, it took 3 shops and a lot of research on my part to get to this conclusion, but I eventually got smogged and can feel good about it. 

While there was a few items (I can't recall now) that my truck had on it that convinced my mechanic that it was a federal truck (I think it was related to the fuel tanks), but the most convincing proof was the documentation I had on its first point on sale, which was Pullman, WA.  I'll be holding onto that because it is the only document that remains that helps to confirm that it was built as a federal truck. 

I'm already getting ready for my next smog... 23 months, 15 days and counting...
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: jwill226 on January 19, 2014, 03:11:48 am
Glad you got it smogged.  dealing with that can be a pain.  Mine was a CA truck.  It was taken to OR and most of the smog equipment was done away with when the engine was rebuilt/replaced (not sure witch) .  Now I bought it and am bringing it back to CA.

One thing I have going for me is where I live in CA I only have to smog once when I first get a vehicle.  I don't have to worry about it as long as I own it after that.  So once I get all this straigtened out I'll just remove what I don't want and box it up nice and neat for future use if I ever need to sell the truck.  I can demand more for one that will smog first shot.

The reason my smog guy was telling me that with out the sticker they can assume its federal is because I have a sticker but its completely unreadable so its the same as not having one basicly.  He said because he can't tell for sure what it said he cant assume what it is and force me to get every little smog part for it.

Hopefully on Wednesday I'll have this all done. its been a month and a half now of tracking down every thing I needed.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: bake74 on January 19, 2014, 09:08:52 am
     jwill226, between you and CA BIG RED you have covered most of Ca smog requirements for our trucks, the only difference is there is 6 counties I believe in Ca where, if you live in you only have to smog when a vehicle is transferred (link is earlier in discussion) so that means no smog every 2 years, only when you buy one. 
     I really wish I lived in one of those counties.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: audrima on January 19, 2014, 12:28:10 pm
I would like to thank you for this post, it convinced me that I never going to move to CA. $12.99 a year for basic inspection and no smog, I'm keeping my WV resident status. ^_^ I am glad you got it all fix and sorted out.


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Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: 73fourbyguy on January 19, 2014, 03:36:31 pm
If you didn't get it smogged  yet send me a message, I live in Sac. County and might be able to help you out.


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Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: bake74 on January 19, 2014, 07:40:23 pm
If you didn't get it smogged  yet send me a message, I live in Sac. County and might be able to help you out.


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     I didn't know you live in Sac County.  We are getting quite a few members on here around the sac area and bay area.  Even some up 80 and 50 north of Sac.  Glad that you are here.
Title: Re: Smogging in Sacramento County
Post by: Dr_Snooz on November 09, 2014, 12:35:21 pm
Dude, STOP taking your truck into shops and asking how much they want. They don't know about smog and can't get you legal. They can only hem and haw and quote big numbers without any guarantees. I've failed a lot of smog tests and the quotes are always very, very big and open-ended. Even if the problem is nothing more than some carb fine-tuning, you will get a very big quote and a lot of stammering about what went wrong. Even if you pay them for the work, they don't promise to get you past, only that they will keep spending your money until you pass or go broke. You won't have anything left by the time they're through with you.

The problem is that Cali smog is not rational. It's a bunch of crony-capitalist, special interest handouts all thrown together in a big, smelly pile. Nobody understands it anymore and there is no way to fulfill it honestly. Seriously. Why does CARB allow fracking to go completely unregulated, the Detroit big-three to repeatedly get passes on emissions and fuel economy targets, and highly toxic Chinese slave goods to enter the country freely? Yet they'll hammer you if you fail a stupid smog test. If you're poor, they'll harass you and take your car away so you can't get to work anymore. Far better to have you on welfare than out working and contributing. There's no rhyme or reason to this. There needs to be a SERIOUS house-cleaning at CARB and the DMV, but until then, we have to make do as best we can.

The shops only know how to perform the smog test, so don't ask any more of them. Right now, the test consists of two parts: a visual inspection and a dyno emissions inspection. The visual inspection is very simple. The tech looks at his list (from the state) of the smog components that shipped with your truck. Those will be things like a cat, EGR, air pump, etc. They are big bolt-on items that are easy to spot. They are NOT things like valve sizes or throttle butterfly angles, or anything like that. These same components are listed on your last smog test paperwork and on the plate on your air filter (if you still have it). The tech will look to see that those components are installed in the vehicle and that they appear to be functional. If they are, he will most likely check the box and move on without further investigation. He's supposed to make sure that there aren't any aftermarket parts installed without a CARB sticker and that the engine is original, CA smog specific, etc. Remember, however, that he has not received extensive training on what to look for and is probably being paid way too little to care. If you don't have any aftermarket logos showing and the guy isn't an expert on your specific vehicle, you can sneak a lot through.

The next portion is the dyno test. As long as the truck blows clean at 15 and 25 MPH, you pass this part of the test. If the carb is tuned well and the truck is in top running order, you stand a very good chance of passing this part of the test. It also helps if all those smog components listed above are actually working. If you aren't sure, do a tune up and change your oil. Then get a good A/F meter and make sure your fuel mix is dead on 14.7 at 15 and 25 MPH.

The test only measures three gases: HC, CO and NOx. If you're too rich, you'll have high HC. If you're too lean, you'll have high NOx. If the engine is old and neglected, you'll have high CO. Remember that all those smog components mentioned above also help to bring these numbers down, so make sure they are working as best you are able. Every smog test report will have the levels of these gases listed on it. Though it's difficult to read, it provides valuable information about how close you were to failing and where to tune things up. The simple fact that you were passing in SB leads me to believe that you can pass in Sac without any trouble. Just play it right.

I put an aftermarket carb and intake on my truck. They were not CA approved. I hooked up all the OE smog stuff to them, covered the logos, tuned it and took it in and passed. The parts were even shiny and new in an otherwise very old and dirty engine bay. I still passed. The truck blew up a few weeks later, so I only have the one test to go on, unfortunately, but it passed.

Take your truck to a new shop that doesn't know you and have it tested. I'd recommend that you request a pre-test first. It is basically a full smog test but it doesn't get reported to the state. You want to do this because if you do the full test and fail as a gross-polluter, a lot of extra bureaucracy gets involved at that point, and you don't want that. (A good shop will monitor the test as it progresses and pull the plug before the reporting if your numbers look too bad. If you find a good shop, stick with them.) If the pre-test goes well, then do the full test. You'll be legal without bankrupting yourself.

For the record, I'm a committed environmentalist. Unlike CARB, however, I advocate real and sustainable solutions to environmental problems. I want ethanol and methanol powered cars and an end to the oil cartel. I want the fuel-saving technologies currently rotting away in Exxon's vaults to be released into the public domain, and I want investigations and prosecutions into the mysterious deaths of innovators who threatened the oil monopoly. CARB just dishes out more bureaucracy and legalese while heaping impossible goals on the poor and vulnerable. They can go jump in a lake.