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Title: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 03, 2015, 08:42:52 am
I haven't posted much lately so thought I would post some pictures of what has been going on here in my garage since I brought my GMC in around mid October.
I purchased the truck with a 454 that I was told was out of a low mileage RV. The engine ran great and had good power. I have had nothing but small blocks my whole life and I have to say it is a big difference.
I decided that I wanted to pull the engine and give it a different cam and intake to help it breathe a little better. I did not go super radical just enough to give it a little rumble in the idle. I really did not want to get into changing heads and all that good stuff.
When the engine was pulled I went ahead and cleaned the frame up a little more where I could not reach or get to with the engine in when I sandblasted the first time.
The engine was pulled, sandblasted and wire brushed before the paint was applied. I know nobody likes the Corporate GM blue but that would be the correct color for the vintage of the truck.
This is as far as I am right now. I do still need to blast the oil pan and timing cover.
I will post more as progress moves forward.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 03, 2015, 10:13:32 am
Blasting cleaning engine. Timing chain looks a little stretched and cam driving gear has original nylon still on gear.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 03, 2015, 10:15:04 am
More cleaning and some paint.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 03, 2015, 10:15:48 am
Block is finished.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: LTZ C20 on January 03, 2015, 11:15:16 am
Very nice work.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: Engineer on January 03, 2015, 09:27:11 pm
GET RID OF THAT PLASTIC CAM TIMING GEAR RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! Throw it away after you smash it with a sledge hammer.

Eek. Those things are responsible for more rebuilds than anything else. Bar none.

Oh, and BTW, I like the GM blue if it correct for your model year. When we rebuilt the 350 in my oldest son's '79 truck I insisted on painting it GM blue. He put chrome covers on it and it looked really good.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: Jason S on January 03, 2015, 10:20:40 pm
Illinois, the engine is looking good. 

What in the world did you do on the frame rails to get it looking like that?  It looks better than new!

Engineer was a bit vague, but it sounds like you may need to replace the cam gear...  :D

Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 03, 2015, 11:36:01 pm
Thanks for the heads up Engineer but I have had a new timing chain and the rest of the new parts in the back of the truck for about a month. I had a problem with one in my oldsmobile that completely fell apart and the timing got way off and would not even start at times.
Thanks for the thumbs up on the GM blue, I like it. Orange is nice but its not a '69 Camaro.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 03, 2015, 11:40:12 pm
Thanks for the heads up Engineer but I have had a new timing chain and the rest of the new parts in the back of the truck for about a month. I had a problem with one in my oldsmobile that completely fell apart and the timing got way off and would not even start at times.
Thanks for the thumbs up on the GM blue, I like it. Orange is nice but its not a '69 Camaro.
Thanks for the approval on the frame. It is nothing special just good old fashioned elbow grease and Valspar zinc primer and semi gloss black.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: LTZ C20 on January 04, 2015, 03:27:07 am
Wonders can be done with proper technique with a spray can.

The nylon timing gear thing was a horrible idea too.

Mines not a 69 maro either, but something about chevy orange and black makes me all butterflies inside, sooo mine got painted orange with black covers and a little chrome and some aluminum showing. I was kinda goin for the late 60s muscle car look under the hood anyway. Your progress so far is great. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 04, 2015, 07:30:25 am
Thanks LTZ. Don't get me wrong I do love the orange engines, like you were saying with some chrome, aluminum and black they just stand out and look real pretty. Always drawn to those Chevelle's, Camaro's, Nova's etc. at a car show because of that bright orange iron under the hood.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: enaberif on January 04, 2015, 11:48:42 am
Nylon coated timing gear from my 350 that needed a rebuild... Yes they suck and are absolute junk.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 04, 2015, 11:59:21 am
Yep, thats what one of mine looked like. Once the nylon is gone it pretty much turns into a saw blade.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: LTZ C20 on January 04, 2015, 11:59:40 am
It's nice when someone walks by your truck at a show with your hood up and goes "oh crap look at this guy!" "That's so sick!"

I love hearing our hard work pay off. Oh and only the bottom end is iron. ;)
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: Engineer on January 04, 2015, 10:28:06 pm
@ ik3, I figured you would do it right. The nylon cam gear has been the focus of my contempt for more years than I can remember. Many a 250,000mi capable engine was ruined at 100,000mi because of those things.

@Jason S,  ;D
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: fitz on January 06, 2015, 08:23:53 pm
Orange is nice but its not a '69 Camaro.

Your motor looks great.
You bring up a good point about orange 69 camaros.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 06, 2015, 09:08:30 pm
Thanks fitz I appreciate it.


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Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: fitz on January 11, 2015, 06:47:47 pm
When is the motor going back in?
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 11, 2015, 07:16:48 pm
The engine is going back into the truck in the first picture at the beginning of the topic. 1978 GMC K35 4x4. Very nice Camaro by the way, is it yours?
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: fitz on January 11, 2015, 07:31:50 pm
Thanks, the Camaro is mine.
Its got a Dana 60 sorta like the 1 in your K30.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 11, 2015, 08:42:32 pm
Very nice, that should hold up. Big block 4-speed?


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Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: fitz on January 11, 2015, 09:51:14 pm
Very nice, that should hold up. Big block 4-speed?
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  I wish it was.

  It's a mild 350 with a small roller cam & vortec heads, manual valve body turbo 350, and a Dana 60 with 4.10's.
  Its a bulletproof set up that's my daily driver in the nice weather.
 
   Its an old drag car that was redone for the street.
  The Dana 60,  trans, and solid motor mounts have been in the car since the late 70's. Kinda overkill for the current motor, but I consider those as part of the cars history.
  Back in its day it ran a built up 350 LT1 & 5.13 gears and ran mid 11's in the 1/4 mile.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 12, 2015, 04:17:44 am
That's very cool. Awesome ride.


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Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 25, 2015, 12:13:08 pm
Here are some more painted parts for the engine build and one t-case/trans bracket. Not really worth posting but no football so had a little time. Waiting on a few more parts for the engine and the trans is at the shop getting rebuilt. It should be done by the time all of the salt is off the road.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: LTZ C20 on January 25, 2015, 06:53:02 pm
That oil pan looks great.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on January 25, 2015, 07:35:51 pm
Thanks LTZ C20. Everything turned  out real good, hopefully it will hold up.


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Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: LTZ C20 on January 25, 2015, 07:55:11 pm
I hope so too. So far nothing but excellent work seen here.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: illinoisk30 on March 31, 2015, 09:26:54 pm
It has been to long since my last post but the engine is in and the TH400 is rebuilt and installed as well. I still need to bolt up the t-case and take care of a few little things but should be running by the end of this month.
Title: Re: Upgrading Big Block Top End and Clean Up
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 01, 2015, 12:32:13 am
Sweet. The engine looks really good.