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Title: Changing headers
Post by: Delorean1986 on August 13, 2015, 12:15:43 pm
Hey Folks,

Wondering if I will have to remove my engine in order to take of the exhaust headers.

I am going to do a whole new exhaust and would prefer to not have to take the engine out but wanted to get some info before I start to try.

79 Chevy V-8 454

Thanks
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: roundhouse on August 13, 2015, 12:25:07 pm
You have a sawzall , right?

You may need to run the front up on oil change ramps


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Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Irish_Alley on August 13, 2015, 12:28:14 pm
yeah most times the headers have to come up from below
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Delorean1986 on August 13, 2015, 12:34:55 pm
Saws all yes…. :P

Not sure I want to hurt the headers.

Thanks for the input though everyone I appreciate it. I am doing all new breaks today and doing my carb next week as well as removing some of the emissions crap….
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Irish_Alley on August 13, 2015, 12:46:06 pm
we have brakes on our truck, till something breaks then we have no brakes  ;)
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Delorean1986 on August 13, 2015, 12:58:59 pm
These are the breaks…

 [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcLITA7Ugw0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: enaberif on August 13, 2015, 01:14:10 pm
Doing any exhaust work you should have one of these ... (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31eb2FI8qZL.jpg). Makes quick work and less mess when cutting exhaust pipe.
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Kren420 on August 13, 2015, 01:26:43 pm
Putting the headers on and taking the old manifolds off is fairly straight forward.  Stock height on a half ton and I didn't need to jack it up or anything.  I did pass the headers up from below to a buddy who held it it place until I could crawl back out and put some bolts in.  The hard part was changing my stock starter a couple months later.... almost didn't have enough room to get the starter out with the new exhaust system!  New mini starter goes in and out with ease though.
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Delorean1986 on August 13, 2015, 02:40:57 pm
Putting the headers on and taking the old manifolds off is fairly straight forward.  Stock height on a half ton and I didn't need to jack it up or anything.  I did pass the headers up from below to a buddy who held it it place until I could crawl back out and put some bolts in.  The hard part was changing my stock starter a couple months later.... almost didn't have enough room to get the starter out with the new exhaust system!  New mini starter goes in and out with ease though.

Glad you responded. So I should be able to unbolt them and slide them out? Then slide the new ones in from the bottom and mount them with the help of a friend.

So after you did your exhaust you had to replace your starter which was a pain to get in after doing your exhaust. You would recommend just replacing your starter before doing your exhaust for ease of work…. both need to be replaced on "Maple" (79 Chevy) so I will probably do them at the same time….

Any links to youtube videos with folks with right age of Chevy's that you know of, where folks are working on them?
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Irish_Alley on August 13, 2015, 03:53:03 pm
on my 86 c10, i pretty much cut the old exhaust off with a sawsall then slid the headers up from the bottom by myself. it was a pain and would of been better with a helper. this was 15  or so years ago but i think i removed the plugs just to get more room. never had a problem with replacing the starter with headers
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Delorean1986 on August 13, 2015, 04:33:58 pm
When removing the headers should i heat the bolts to removed them?

The headers on this beast of stock and I don't think they have be touched since 79… just don't want to bolt to sheer off in there….
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Kren420 on August 13, 2015, 06:20:27 pm
I soaked the manifold bolts with some loosen-all spray the night before and about 20 mins before I removed them.  I used a sawzall to hack the old exhaust off first, and I also removed all the spark plugs before removing the manifolds.  My truck also has A/C so some slight modification to the A/C bracket was in order.

More on the starter:  I didn't have the truck jacked up at all and had no helper this time, so underneath messing with things proved difficult, but once I put it in the right position it slid out.  With the mini starter I could put past the headers in any position, which was nice when working by yourself with the truck at stock height on stock wheels.
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Delorean1986 on August 18, 2015, 12:40:57 pm
I soaked the manifold bolts with some loosen-all spray the night before and about 20 mins before I removed them.  I used a sawzall to hack the old exhaust off first, and I also removed all the spark plugs before removing the manifolds.  My truck also has A/C so some slight modification to the A/C bracket was in order.

More on the starter:  I didn't have the truck jacked up at all and had no helper this time, so underneath messing with things proved difficult, but once I put it in the right position it slid out.  With the mini starter I could put past the headers in any position, which was nice when working by yourself with the truck at stock height on stock wheels.

Kren420, I have the the Big 10, with AC. Do you have a photo of your modification to the AC mount? Was that just some simple bending or custom medal fab?
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: ehjorten on August 18, 2015, 01:08:51 pm
On my '77 K20 I was able to snake the headers up from the bottom.  The headers are full-length Hedman Elites.
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Kren420 on August 27, 2015, 06:31:20 pm
I soaked the manifold bolts with some loosen-all spray the night before and about 20 mins before I removed them.  I used a sawzall to hack the old exhaust off first, and I also removed all the spark plugs before removing the manifolds.  My truck also has A/C so some slight modification to the A/C bracket was in order.

More on the starter:  I didn't have the truck jacked up at all and had no helper this time, so underneath messing with things proved difficult, but once I put it in the right position it slid out.  With the mini starter I could put past the headers in any position, which was nice when working by yourself with the truck at stock height on stock wheels.

Kren420, I have the the Big 10, with AC. Do you have a photo of your modification to the AC mount? Was that just some simple bending or custom medal fab?

I do not have any photos at this time, but all I used was this link from this very website.
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=9291.msg200733#msg200733
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: BIG RED 1983 on September 01, 2015, 07:28:16 pm
IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE BRAND/STYLE OF HEADERS. I JUST INSTALLED A TUNED SET OF HOOKER 1 3/4" TUBE SUPER COMP. HEADERS ON MY TRUCK WITH LITTLE PROBLEM. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH HEADERS. I PUT THE TRUCK ON RAMPS AND SLID THE HEADERS UP FROM THE BOTTOM. ON RIGHT SIDE I DID HAVE TO REMOVE THE STARTER BUT INSTALLING THE STARTER WAS NO PROBLEM AS I USE AN AFTERMARKET MINI STARTER. PLUGS MUST COME OUT FIRST AND YOU MAY WANT SEVERAL STYLES OF HEADER BOLTS. I HAVE PUT FOUR DIFFERENT STYLES OF HEADER BOLTS IN MINE WITH HEADER BOLT WASHERS. YOU'LL ALSO WANT TO INSTALL THE HEADERS BOLTS INSIDE OF THE BENDS IN THE PRIMARY TUBES FIRST, JUST A THREAD TO TWO. DONT TIGHTEN ANY OF THEM ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THEY ARE ALL STARTED. BE SURE AND USE GOOD HEADER GASKETS AND KEEP IN MIND THAT NOT ALL HEADERS DO NOT COME WITH GOOD GASKETS.
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Irish_Alley on September 02, 2015, 12:28:20 am
i always use the aluminum gaskets. they dont blow out and you can reuse them
Title: Re: Changing headers
Post by: Delorean1986 on September 02, 2015, 06:16:21 pm
Thanks for all the insight folks.

Excited to start this project. Im buying a house right now, so once it all goes through Ill have a spot to put her up on stands and go to town.

Cheers