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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => 73-87 Chevy & GMC Trucks => Topic started by: philo_beddoe on December 17, 2015, 07:27:51 am
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On the way to work saw a mouse go from under the dash and scurry under the bench seat, then back under dash and back under seat again. While i was driving! I have no rust or rot holes, how are they getting in??!!!!
Gonna have to get some snap traps. Only way
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Oh yes...I've been there. Wait till they start nesting in the heater duct work. Then when you turn on the heat all of the pee smelling fuzz comes flying out all over. I believe that they come in through the air intake in the cowl in front of the windshield.
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It looks like only one got in there, no mess yet. Traps are already set! And i'll keep setting them every night in the truck and out. I'll execute every dang mouse in a 500 sq. ft area!!
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Try dryer sheets. Know several people try that and it seems to work. Stick a couple here and there in the cab.
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There's a gap between the inner and outer cab corner. I think maybe for air flow from the heater to exit the cab.
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There's a gap between the inner and outer cab corner. I think maybe for air flow from the heater to exit the cab.
Ok, where is this gap located exactly??
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Tonights the first night with traps, 2 in the cab and one under the truck. I know i may attrack a mouse, but still- death to all!
Will post results.
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No mice this morning, however one of the traps was tripped. Not the trap in the truck.
New theory, when i pulled over and the mouse scurried under the seat, i believe it went out that cab corner hole, which i plugged with galvanized mesh screen and doped it up with grease. The little critter never got established. Will continue to place traps around truck nightly though.
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There are a number of holes in the firewall, sealed with rubber bushings, that allow wires, cables, etc. into the cab. If the rubber rots, falls out, etc. it will allow meeses in.
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Great! I'll have to get up close in there with a flashlight then. Mice along with ticks and mosquitoes i wish the Lord did away with.
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No traps are getting set off near truck, however i caught two in my shelter, looks like there was a struggle. My truck is clear of all mice. Will continue to set trap under truck each night though.
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Like a lot of us, I live on a farm with lots of grain crops grown around me. Mice are a fact of life. The smallest of them can fit through a hole no larger than their noses. If the head fits, the body will too. They can chew through light metal and will. They, for some reason, like the insulation of electrical wires to chew on. For an animal that has a brain smaller than the eraser on a pencil, they are pretty smart. Filling holes with stainless wire wool works pretty good as long as they cannot pull it out. Regular SOS pads work in a pinch but rust pretty fast.
My sister heard the tale about dryer sheets too. Put them all over their travel trailer inside and out and rested easy over the winter only to find mouse nests in the drier sheets...so they are questionable still. Maybe she used the wrong brand?
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I have neen finding one per day in my traps in my shelter, none in or near the truck. I think that one i did find in the truck was a lost mouse and he escaped during the chase way down the road. Not even a sign of one in or near the truck. When i stop catching them in the shelter, i'll back off a little. Glad that problem ended quick.
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we used to raise and sell dwarf hamsters. so im kind of impartial to killing rodents, i have a live trap that i will catch them in. then i will drive a few miles away from home and release them in someones yard i dont like. like to think i give them a chance to live, the only time i like to kill (and using "like" very loosely) is when im hunting or a mercy killing.
breeding the hamsters was pretty cool cause you could change their color or pattern. cause you would take hamster A and breed her with hamper B this would give you a little of A or B or C or even A+B. some As' would only produce As' and some if you bred them this weird brown color would be produced with a dark strip down the back. we had hamsters that would only breed with certain partners also and we had a few females that would fight the male so we had a "bull" hamster that would put them in their place and breed them. but we would remove most males after the fist sign of pregnancy due to they might eat or kill them. we also had some mothers that would eat their babys so once we would find one missing we would remove the rest and find a foster mother that was lactating for them. but it was fun to find a pattern that some would like and reproduce some weird and pretty patterns. at one time i think we had 60 or so hamsters thats with 4 or 5 breeding parents and they would have 3-8 babys. then we would have our "studs" man they would get big lol, but i would say all baby hamsters would bite so i would wear leathers gloves and reach in and surprise them like a kid would do till they stopped biting. this worked on most but every once in a while it wouldnt so we would take that fighter and breed them. so no kid would be bit by them.
there was some money involved, not much but it paid for food and stuff. we would sell the babys at half of what the store sold them for, so if they charged 8 we would charge 4. so we could make 32 from one litter this would pay for wood chips and food for the rest of the hamsters. but theres a fine line about flooding the market, kids fall in love with cute babys not adults so you cant sell too many to one store or they will have some left over till next month. so most times the most we would sell to one store would be 10 depending on how well they sold from the past month. we had stores buying our hamsters from 3 states, then one month it hit us hard. it was december about 6 or so years ago when we got out because we got stuck will a bunch of little hamsters no one wanted to buy them for some reason i guess when the market got really down people didnt have enough money to buy hamsters or food. so the only thing we could do was find a store and give them all away we had them all sexed and in two bins it broke my heart giving them to this pet store cause we never dealt with them and didnt know how our hamsters would be treated. but when they just put them all into one aquarium even they freaked imagine 30 baby hamsters not knowing what was going on and freaking out.
i dont know why i felt like i had to share this with yall but i hope you learned something about hamster breeding and taking care of them. if you have any questions feel free to inbox me
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Well, good story irish. I like the part where you catch and release in someone elses yard. Lol. I do that with skunks in the springtime. It is illegal to relocate wildlife, but i take my chances. And i'm an agriculture officer too. Mums the word.
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Interesting Irish.
I 'used' to (seems there is never a 'used to' however) run an all-breed rescue. I don't hunt or fish (don't confuse that with being a tree hugger folks) because I really [ETA-DON'T! :-[) enjoy killing animals for any reason. I can skin any animal I'm given however. I used to work in a pelting factory skinning mink.
Anyway, I have always had some opposition to breeding and selling small animals. Especially around any holiday (Easter is high on the list). Folks don't seem to understand they are giving a life (albeit an animal life) to some ungrateful and ignorant children to take care of. The blind leading the blind in most cases. I have rescued many dogs and cats because the owners didn't understand that the cute little thing grew into a Mastiff, a Rottweiler, or a Great Dane.
We are fostering two kittens right now that were abused (and they are only 5 weeks old). Not liking animal is someones choice, abusing it is altogether different. I carry a gun and on more than a few occasions would have liked to blow the fingers off those that abuse animals for fun.
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Agreed, even though we have complete dominion over all animals, that dont mean waste em all, nor does it mean save em all. We need to be good stewards. I carry too, amen.
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I have been taking a mouse a day in the shelter, better than near the truck I guess. I'll stop setting traps when I have two or three days of no results. I have been putting a mouse trap under the truck every day too, but nothing.
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It's not like the world will run out of mice, nevertheless, they are really hard to butcher. :o
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Good news, no mouse this morning. I found a few pieces of acorns on top of the intake though, so i set a trap under the hood. We'll see what happens. The acorns could have been there though, pre-last mouse.
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you ever seen Australia's mouse epidemic
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No, is it really bad?
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http://davescienceblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/mouse-plagues-terror-of-australia.html
"The 1993 assault was Australia's largest recorded mouse plague and an estimated 500, 000 tons of wheat was destroyed by the rodents over the plague's 6 month duration, which is enough to feed the entire state of Utah (USA) for 4 years! The mental trauma of the plague and the loss in the livelihood of farmers was enough to drive at least 6 people to suicide and many farmers chose to abandon their livelihood and leave the at-risk areas in the south, for good."
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Good grief! Half a billion mice! I only have about 3 or 4 to deal with. They need more dingo's or something to keep them in check.
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when you have a pile like this then you "might" have a problem
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Can you imagine the smell of that pile?
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LTZ you totally took my post, was gonna say the same thing. We all know the smell of one dead mouse in the wall or wherever, but imagine that pile! Imagine that pile jammed behind your dash pad? Ha!
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Leave it to us Aussie's to do something like take pictures next to a pile of mice the size of a bulldozer bucket.
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So I guess the rabbit population down under is in check now? For a species that didn't belong there they did a LOT of damage back in the day. Mice ewww...
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Good grief! Half a billion mice! I only have about 3 or 4 to deal with. They need more dingo's or something to keep them in check.
When I lived in western Oklahoma, many people there claimed that when farms were abandoned during the dust bowl the rodent population skyrocketed. Further, it was claimed that with the increase in the rodent populations, the rattlesnake population boomed - which in turn led to the first "Rattlesnake Roundups"...
Maybe all they need are some Western Diamondbacks...
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That should do it, they can start with that pile!!
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It just goes to show that when humans put their efforts into 'managing' nature, it always ends up a disaster. Most would not believe that the coyote and fox are the best rodent predators there are and the wolf is the best at controlling herds of ruminants (deer, elk, antelope). Nope, we know better than nature, all because we want recreation (or more money). Until that mindset changes, we will have occasional scourges of rodents, deer, and elk intrusions as well as other vermin. Unfortunately, when the over-populations of these animals intrude into 'our' spaces, they are the interlopers and must be dealt with. So what does man do in our infinite wisdom, we go out and kill more predators. Makes sense to me.
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Too many geese, mice, beavers, ticks and mosquitos. We need more honeybees and dragonflies. Honey taste good and dragonflies eat things that bother humans. No wolves in the northeast, but plenty of deer. Case in point, more deer more ticks!
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Well, getting off topic here a bit. But you make the good point that we have screwed up the entire ecosystem whether you intended to or not. So the question is...why are there too many of these animals (and insects)? There's no wolves in the northeast because they have been hunted to extinction. The doo-doo rolls downhill, so I guess ya'll should enjoy the excesses of deer and, therefore, of ticks. A healthy, balanced, ecosystem is not possible when humans try to control it, pure and simple. As for mosquitoes, good luck with them, I don't think we have ever been able to control their populations, ticks either.
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Cursed earth anyway, waiting for rapture.
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:o Don't get me wrong, I am not a tree hugger, but I see reality. Humans have had this attitude that because we reason, we reason we are smarter than nature and it simply ain't true.
As a youngster of 22 I worked for a couple years in our nations 2nd largest national park, Yellowstone. I learned a few things while I was there, mostly about sex ;D but also about nature and ecosystems (or was that part about sex too? I don't remember), anyway, I worked in the Old Faithful area for two years. The hot springs and geysers there are pretty interesting since they are a micro-system all by themselves. Back in the early years of the park, after the Inn was built they reasoned they could tap into a hot spring on the side of the hill sorta behind the Inn. So they did and they used the hot water for heat and kitchen and laundry. But the hot spring's water level was lowered by doing this. As any high school kid should know the boiling point of water is dependent on two things, heat and pressure. Well, there is no lack of heat under that area of the park so pressure caused a calamity back then. By lowering the water level the weight of the water was reduced drastically down below in the 'plumbing system' of hot springs and geysers. All of those underground water systems are interconnected and -balanced-, so by changing one small parameter everything got changed somewhat. By dropping that one hot springs water level just a few feet, it altered the way Old Faithful spouted off. As we know, Old Faithful got that name because it erupted almost to the minute every hour and a half. But over the course of ten months after tapping the water off the spring, it started not being faithful. It remains unfaithful today even after they stopped pulling the water off and the water rose to it's natural level. One small blunder due to humans vast intellect over nature. In the grand scheme of things, it's rather unimportant. But the lesson it teaches is enormous, if one is willing to learn.
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That is a really interesting read. RE: Yellowstone
The balance between human intervention and allowing nature to take its course is difficult.
The Yellowstone wildfire of 1988 is a case in point.
I love the park and hope we will figure out how protect it and still allow us to enjoy the natural beauty.
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That was a devastating fire for us, and there is always the possibility that we caused it to be that bad by not allowing free burns prior to that. On the other hand, when I was there, the tide was changing concerning the idea of allowing naturally started fires to burn nearly unimpeded and only interfering when structures or lives where in danger. Understandable. However, after nearly a century of trying to extinguish nearly every fire that occurred, the tinder just kept accumulating. So it was a matter of too little, too late, by the time 1988 rolled around. Everything done prior, a few dry years, and it was the recipe for the perfect firestorm. It ruined the park for us, but did it ruin it for the natural residents of the park? I really don't know myself. It's almost been 28 years since that fire, the new pictures I've seen show it's growing back just fine. On another note, when I was there vast areas of the forests had died due to the pine bark beetle... our efforts to contain the bug were fruitless. I've heard however, that fire is a good de-bugger. Maybe nature had it's own plans?
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Whats your take on folks that build houses on beaches, side of mountains, etc and then the ocean washes them away or a mudslide or wildland fire?
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I understood the 1988 Yellowstone fire began with controlled burns that got out of control.
We lived on a small Caribbean island on the waterfront. 2004 category 5 hurricane Ivan destroyed or house along with most everything else on the island. We sold our house 18 months prior to Ivan. We were lucky.
We now live in a Ponderosa pine forest. June 2012 nearly 600 homes were destroyed by a massive wildfire. Fortunately the fire was stopped about 2000 feet from our house. The areas to our south that saw the majority of devastation still look like a moonscape. Again we were lucky.
There is is a risk living in these beautiful places.
We try and reduce our risk with good insurance and good forestry management.
Hurricanes not much you can do other than insurance, storm shutters, evacuate, and hope for the best.
And by the way....... We have Mice.
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Whats your take on folks that build houses on beaches, side of mountains, etc and then the ocean washes them away or a mudslide or wildland fire?
Not really certain what this has to do with? However, having lived on the side of a mountain, and near rivers (I now live on top of a hill in corn country) I can say that the more I learn about people, the more I like nature. I have no problems with folks building where they want to, what I have a problem with is after they do build in some pristine wild area they want to bring their city attitude to the country. It makes no sense. Here in the farm country of Iowa there are plenty of places that are bought by city folks that want to 'live the quiet life, with clean air, in the country'. Hmph. Yeah, sure they do. They move next to a field that grows their food, after the first spring or fall they start moaning about the smell of pig crap or cow crap being used as fertilizer. They complain to the DNR that the rabbits, squirrels, coons, possum, and deer are eating their landscaping work, that the noise from the hog feeders a half mile away, or the fall noise of grain driers, is disturbing them. The list of crabass complaints never ends.
Nevertheless, you asked about the folks that build in hazard zones such as on a beach or mountainside. It really depends on what beach or mountainside I guess. Humans can continue to move into wilderness areas, I can't stop them, and I'll be dead in a decade or less so why would it concern me? however, if I answered I am against it, then I'm an :(, if I answered I'm all for it, then I'm too capitalistic.
What I believe is that folks need to be aware that when they pays their money, they are taking a chance. They can pay their insurance and be reimbursed for being stupid, no problem there. But after the first time of being stupid (or in some rare cases the second) why should all the rest of us paying premiums to that insurance company have to support their continued stupidity? The insurance company(s) should drop them like a hot rock. One chance for those in hazardous areas that are commonly or possibly prone to calamity. Of course, there needs to be a line drawn in the sand for some places because no place is entirely hazard free. Flooding is a point of discussion on that. If the flood prone area is 'normally' in a flood zone, the folks living there should finance their own independent insurance company's that don't use money from the general population. The same goes for hurricane zones (especially hurricane zones). Earthquakes cannot be counted on to happen in the same place year after year after year however, so they should have their own level of coverage as too with wildfire areas.
So to sum up, if folks want to live in an area that consistently or routinely sees calamity, they need to fend for themselves during the rebuilding processes by utilizing focused insurance company's dedicated to them only.
Again though, not certain what this has to do with the previous discussion?
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Yup, good sustainable forestry. I used to work for the U.S. Forest Service, natural resource law enforcement officer, used a 87 squarebody. Still in LE, but in a different agency, still protecting natural resources. The things i' ve seen, what people do in and to the outdoors.
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I know the USFS has good intentions, but they screw it up just as bad as the Corp of Engineers do. It is, as you know, all about budgets. Gotta spend em to get the same amount the next go-round. That may not be as true these days as it once was, but it has been the bane of natural resources, and parks especially, for a score of decades.
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its still true. every department has a cap to reach, even if they save money one day they still have to blow it before the end of the tax year
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You are correct, as you know i work for the us govt. and thats what we do. And when something has to get cut or take a hit, its usually the natural resources in some form or capacity.
I wonder if Trump is going to fix all that.
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Update- no mice anywhere! I have two traps in my shelter, havnt sprung in several days. Guess i wiped em out!
But they'll be back. They are relentless.
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Well good! Hopefully you got em all! Little pests! With all the wildlife around me, I'm really glad that I haven't had any issues like that. Especially since I live in the middle of the largest Ponderosa Pine forest in the country! Lol!
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Yeah, your in a beautiful area out there, hows the trout fishin?
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Oh yes, it's gorgeous here! The trout fishing is awesome usually. Some of the best around. I literally live in a sportsman's paradise! There's great fishing, we have excellent hunting opportunities here too. Lots of game like deer and elk and such. I laugh when people are astounded that there's mountains and trees and snow in Arizona! Lol! Most people who are unfamiliar with the state just automatically assume the whole state is a hot desert!
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I spent about 10 days in Arizona couple years back over new years, it was dead of winter. Sunny, 75-80 degrees, we had jeans and t-shirts on, we were riding quads around the area having blast in the sun. Nights were cool and crisp, lots of beers over that 10 days.
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Yep! You were probably in the desert somewhere then. This is the time of year that you want to be in the desert! Jeans and t-shirts for sure! Where I'm at, here lately it's averaged about 35 degrees, there's a foot of snow on the ground with more forecasted for the week, plus, I live in a pine forest at an elevation of 7000 feet! We actually have 4 season weather in Arizona!
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I remember reading something about there being four seasons in Arizona - Fire, Flood, Mud and Drought... ;D
In grad school, spent several days on a field trip in Suguaro National Park (beautiful park). This was in the spring and we were rained on most of the time there. Naturally, the last day we were there was sunny and warm; we started from the relatively warm desert basin and drove up into the mountains looking at vegetation changes at various elevations and eventually had to turn around because of snow. As a young flatlander, I'd never experienced such a thing!
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I remember reading something about there being four seasons in Arizona - Fire, Flood, Mud and Drought... ;D
In grad school, spent several days on a field trip in Suguaro National Park (beautiful park). This was in the spring and we were rained on most of the time there. Naturally, the last day we were there was sunny and warm; we started from the relatively warm desert basin and drove up into the mountains looking at vegetation changes at various elevations and eventually had to turn around because of snow. As a young flatlander, I'd never experienced such a thing!
Ha ha ha! You got that right! Sadly, in the span of the last 15 years, we've seen of the largest forest fires in the area ever recorded. Both were the largest in state history at the time. The last one in 2011 being the record holder still. Drought is always one of those things that we worry about. That's why I'm not going to complain that it's cold here with lots of snow! We need that moisture to avoid a catastrophe come spring and summer during fire season! But I love it here and wouldn't want it any other way!
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Your in a good gun state too!! Nice and red and conservative. It's pretty blue and liberal up here in new england. It is very unique though, old farm fields and stone walls, very seasonal, plenty of native trout and wildlife. Nothin like the west though. I have a good friend in Goodyear, AZ, keeps askin me to visit. Familiar with it?
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Yes, I know where that is. It's on the west side of the valley. Or for those not in the know, it's on the western side of the Phoenix metro area off of I-10 in between Avondale on the east which borders Phoenix, and Buckeye on the west.
Yes, the gun laws here are pretty lax compared to most states, but are tightening up. We're usually a pretty red state, which is what I am, but I also live between 2 large Indian reservations as well. I have the White Mountain Apache Reservation to the south and the Navajo Nation to the north. They tend to be pretty liberal and vote democratic because they all get the free government handouts! Grrr!
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Another hijacking...
AZ87V10,
I notice in your signature you have a Dodge with a four (ooppss-5" lift) inch lift and 35's. With the gear ratio stated what is cruising RPM at 70mph with your truck in direct drive (not OD)?
My truck has 4.10's with 33's and it runs annoyingly high- about 3,400 or so at 70. OK, let me clarify, the sticker in the glove box says it came with 4.10's, I have never verified that is what is still in it.
I pulled a 6,000lb GVW trailer last Saturday that weighed about 5,000lbs (estimated by the combined weights of all the pallets+the trailer weight) plus about 1800lbs on a pallet in the bed. The anemic 360 struggled the entire 70 miles I pulled it even in direct drive at 3500rpm. At that speed I was getting about 5-6 mpg (We used an entire 30 gallons in the round trip of about about 150 miles with 70 loaded).
This bone stock engine is pitiful. Truck is 2002 2500 and only has 120K on it. :-\
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Isin't this thread about mice? Lol.


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Yes, it started out that way but got side tracked somewhere! Lol! I've noticed a lot of these longer threads get hijacked like that! You know, I never really paid attention to the cruising rpm's at 70 since I rarely get to drive that fast around here! But the few times I drove it to Phoenix I noticed that it turned around 2500 or so in overdrive. I never bothered to take it out since I wasn't towing or hauling anything. But I live in a mountain area and naturally I'm on the gas more because I'm doing a lot of climbing. I seem to average around 10 mpg around town, but I do a lot of short trip driving. No more than about 5 miles a day. So naturally the truck will use more gas. When I drove down to Phoenix, I averaged around 14 mpg highway. Obviously, I used more climbing the mountains heading home. It's a great truck and does everything I would want it to do, it just gets crappy mileage. Yes it's lifted and has been regeared, but the engine is all stock. I bought it off the original owner and it only has 106K miles on it! Heck, my 87 square body gets better mileage than my Dodge! I average around 13 mpg in town in my 87!
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I have no idea what mileage i'm getting.
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Well, that's good news and bad news. I knew my truck was getting really bad mileage but I only suspected they all did. My old 78 GMC SWB with a 6" lift, 39's, 4.10's and 400 horses (although the gas was better back then) got better mileage than this Dodge. This alcohol they sell here goes through an engine faster than most alcohol goes through my system.
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Check "bad vibration" need advice, i'm stumped!!
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Not to bring the mice thing up again, but i got a couple more, looks like there was a struggle. But none near the square.