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General Site Info => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stewart G Griffin on March 01, 2016, 08:25:35 am
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i really do care about the environment and not for bandwagon reasons either. But this is just silly:
http://semasan.com/page.asp?content=aa2016FED1&g=SEMAGA
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/tell-epa-withdraw-its-proposal-prohibit-conversion-vehicles-racecars-0
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It's not silly, it's downright criminal. The epa is one of the most useless parts of our government, and one that has repeatedly done more damage than good.
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It's not silly, it's downright criminal. The epa is one of the most useless parts of our government, and one that has repeatedly done more damage than good.
Yes good sir.
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We need to stop letting the government decide what is and what isn't good for us. Warn, offer protection etc but stop trying to control people. People keep voting for the same old story tellers. It's nice to see some shake up happening.
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Does anyone know if this will effect 75 and below vehicles? Since this law basically existed since 1976.
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I guess I need more information on this subject.
Something doesn't seem right with this.
Only congress has the power to make something illegal. I'm not sure how one of the alphabet soup agencies can just decree something illegal without writ law. Even with the most broad interpretation of the clean air act I still don't see how it can affect personally owned vehicles operated on private property. What do they consider modified? What do they consider conversion? What do they consider a race car?
Chevrolet sells a new Camaro "body in white". It is basically a current production body shell sold for modifying into a race car. Then there are the kit cars...... Too many questions that need answers.
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We need to stop letting the government decide what is and what isn't good for us. Warn, offer protection etc but stop trying to control people. People keep voting for the same old story tellers. It's nice to see some shake up happening.
I agree! And i wont discuss politics on this site, way too many opinions. Then again, it appears most of us are to the right.
Anyway, it also appears that trump is the only one thats going to come in and kick over some tables! Just sayin...
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I'm a street racer from way back, still doing it too. My car is a "street car" not a race car :).
And I just wanted to add, screw the EPA and their self righteous policies. The cash for clunkers mess was, at it's core, just another way for huge corporations to buy pollution credits at the expense of cool old iron.
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i think the epa is doing a job that will help save our air. theres a reason why china's air is bad compared to ours. as much as i love these old trucks im glad someone stepped up and said he we need this, now if the epa was to say you cant drive your old truck anymore cause of how its bad for the ozone. then yes i would have a problem with it. but this law would effect my mud truck since it was a "on-road" truck at one point. but how would they determine if the "performance" parts are for my mud trucks 350 or a tube chassis with a 350 cart that i made?
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Agreed, but in my mind the real problem isn't not will it ever be competition vehicles. Most of those run very efficiently as efficiency=power, in fact, I have my turbo truck cruising at a 15-15.7:1 air fuel ratio, which would put the emissions on oar with most modern trucks. I think the real culprits on pollution are in the manufacturing business. There are a lot of regulations in place, but they are still allowed to buy pollution credits which let's them circumvent existing regulations. China's air is definatley worse than ours, but it seems silly to me to break it down to each country's air, when in reality it's earths air. The wind blows all directions, and we will eventually breathe it as well. I guess the short version is that I believe the real soloution would be to introduce globally enforceable policies that apply everywhere with no option to buy you way out of it. It seems to me that th U.S. Is trying to carry the weight of the whole world, and sending American manufacturing by the wayside in the process. Just my $.02.
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i think the epa is doing a job that will help save our air.
I tend not to see it that way. To me, they are crooked and bought off by the real polluters. Why else would they be going after the segment that does less than 1% of the polluting? The percentage of performance enhanced vehicles on the road is very small, and the percentage of pollution caused by vehicles is also pretty small. A small clean up in the airline industry would make more of a difference than a 50% reduction in automotive pollution.
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didnt necessarily mean all of china's air is bad but in the citys like Beijing for the olympics. they had to shut down most the factories to clean the air for the Olympics. this is why scrap metal prices went so high
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1730918,00.html
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Summit racing has already stopped selling smog pump eliminator brackets !
Wow. They caved before the legislation even took effect
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Some of the problems i have are:
1) As ST pointed out this is only a VERY small percentage of "pollution." AND as you know a lot of race cars don't even run on gas--- a lot run on alcohol.
2) Why is racing less "legitimate" from other forms of use? For example a few weeks ago i went to the movies with friends. On top of that we did not carpool. How is my going to see a movie more legitimate and more rightfully polluting than someone on a dirt track or at a dragstrip etc.
For that matter, why is my going to work more legitimate when you consider most races have money at stake?
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What the fedgov really doesn't like is independent people
And most racers and car builders / fabricators are independent people
Self sufficient people don't need or want more govt
Which the opposite of what the govt wants
The fedgov wants as many people as possible dependent on their handout entitlement vote buying programs
Same reason they don't want people to own guns
They'd much rather those people be dependent on the govt to protect them.
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UPDATE:
This looks as though it could effect everyone on this forum........
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/04/14/republicans-warn-proposed-epa-rule-could-wreck-auto-racing/
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yep, big gov wants to mess with everything.
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So, if i build a tube-frame car that was never originally registered for the street and install a huge 454 engine and run gas i'm legal?
But if i take a 78 camaro with small block or run a 4 cylinder etc. and run it on ALCOHOL, i'm illegal?
ooooooooooo............k
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So, if i build a tube-frame car that was never originally registered for the street and install a huge 454 engine and run gas i'm legal?
But if i take a 78 camaro with small block or run a 4 cylinder etc. and run it on ALCOHOL, i'm illegal?
ooooooooooo............k
New builds will probably have a new year latest model year title and probably would have to meet that years emissions requirement
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yep, big gov wants to mess with everything.
They get a thrill from dictating what other folks "shall do". This is only going to get worse.
A government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything away.
Taking is much easier than giving...
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Another update:
EPA proposal to regulate race car conversions dropped after outcry http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/04/18/epa-proposal-to-regulate-race-car-conversions-dropped-after-outcry/
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Looked for the public comments about this last night, but didn't see the proposed regulation listed... I did see another proposal though about making several refrigerants 'unacceptable' for use, including R-22 and HFC-134a.
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Looked for the public comments about this last night, but didn't see the proposed regulation listed... I did see another proposal though about making several refrigerants 'unacceptable' for use, including R-22 and HFC-134a.
Dow is lobbying again.
I run hydrocarbons. They work.
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I run hydrocarbons. They work.
Propane was on the list for some systems as 'acceptable'...
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I run hydrocarbons. They work.
Propane was on the list for some systems as 'acceptable'...
It's called R290. They flip flop on it all the time. I've run Envirosafe and Straight R290. They both work quite well.
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What the fedgov really doesn't like is independent people
And most racers and car builders / fabricators are independent people
Self sufficient people don't need or want more govt
Which the opposite of what the govt wants
The fedgov wants as many people as possible dependent on their handout entitlement vote buying programs
Same reason they don't want people to own guns
They'd much rather those people be dependent on the govt to protect them.
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Mister, I believe I would get along with you quite well. Well said sir.
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I would probably qualify as an environmentalist, but this is out of hand. Every year, California comes up with some new regulations for my truck, some new tax that I'm expected to pay, etc. Meanwhile, the frackers can turn everyone's well water flammable, Nestle can pump out our aquifers on a 25 year expired permit, China can sell all its toxic products our stores, Chevron can send clouds of God-knows-what over Richmond every time their refineries hiccup, the farmers can spray the most ungodly poisons all over our food and any kids who might be playing nearby, corporate fishing trawlers can dredge-net the Pacific dry, etc. etc. etc., but I can't find a place to install my new catalytic converter because CARB came up with another regulation for me. This has to stop. They ignore all the real problems while putting the screws to me. I'm done with it.
If you open a factory in CA, the enviro-bureaucrats will haunt your every waking moment. Build the same factory across the southern border and you can pollute all you want and get an army of starving workers thrown in for free. I'm an environmentalist, but as a nation, we need to have a serious re-think. All these bloodsucking bureaucrats can't keep coming around to my place every year with a bunch of new regulations, while ignoring all the real pollution going on. The EPA, CARB, etc. need to have a serious house-cleaning.
Sorry, but this wild inequity really cheeses me off. I can't even have a decent shower because the regulations won't allow me enough water to rinse the soap off. But BofA can steal people's homes with impunity. It's insane. It has to stop.
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The Dr just schooled.
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isnt there many loop holes one can use to by with polluting? like something about windmills or something? i remember growing up watching captain planet and his planeteers. and how their powers combined (heart, wind, water, fire and earth) would fight these corporations and try to stop them from cutting down trees and polluting. is this stuff still being taught or what?
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Of course this is no longer being taught. Corporations are people now, and that would be discriminating against them.
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I would probably qualify as an environmentalist, but this is out of hand. Every year, California comes up with some new regulations for my truck, some new tax that I'm expected to pay, etc. Meanwhile, the frackers can turn everyone's well water flammable, Nestle can pump out our aquifers on a 25 year expired permit, China can sell all its toxic products our stores, Chevron can send clouds of God-knows-what over Richmond every time their refineries hiccup, the farmers can spray the most ungodly poisons all over our food and any kids who might be playing nearby, corporate fishing trawlers can dredge-net the Pacific dry, etc. etc. etc., but I can't find a place to install my new catalytic converter because CARB came up with another regulation for me. This has to stop. They ignore all the real problems while putting the screws to me. I'm done with it.
If you open a factory in CA, the enviro-bureaucrats will haunt your every waking moment. Build the same factory across the southern border and you can pollute all you want and get an army of starving workers thrown in for free. I'm an environmentalist, but as a nation, we need to have a serious re-think. All these bloodsucking bureaucrats can't keep coming around to my place every year with a bunch of new regulations, while ignoring all the real pollution going on. The EPA, CARB, etc. need to have a serious house-cleaning.
Sorry, but this wild inequity really cheeses me off. I can't even have a decent shower because the regulations won't allow me enough water to rinse the soap off. But BofA can steal people's homes with impunity. It's insane. It has to stop.
You sir are a conservationist not an environmentalist. HUGE difference.