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Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 13, 2016, 05:31:51 pm
I was wondering if the mounting brackets for the 80-87 truck bench seats were different than the 73-79 truck bench seat, that would be great if somone had the answer otherwise a picture of the brackets on a 80-87 would work also then I will compare with my 75 to see if a newer seat would work in my truck, thanks

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: zieg85 on April 13, 2016, 06:20:53 pm
Brackets are different where the lever is to adjust the seat.  I don't know if the brackets will interchange throughout all the 73-87 but the floor holes are in the same spot, so a 85 seat will bolt to a 74 cab
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 13, 2016, 08:39:36 pm
Sweet thank you so much

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: gunrac on April 13, 2016, 08:58:50 pm
I remember 1 issue..... Later model's may have a taller frame.......you may need longer seat belt hook ups.....
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 13, 2016, 09:04:52 pm
Brewster, i see your on "plan B" on the seatbelt issue. Amen!
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 13, 2016, 09:16:44 pm
Brewster, i see your on "plan B" on the seatbelt issue. Amen!
I already got a seat lined up, gonna pick it up this weekend, then I gotta go
Bring it to the upholstery shop, and that could be a treat but once I get it back from the upholstery shop I can install it and finally be done with all this

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 13, 2016, 09:17:51 pm
I remember 1 issue..... Later model's may have a taller frame.......you may need longer seat belt hook ups.....
That's ok, I can live with that

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Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 13, 2016, 10:28:23 pm


What about a quality seat cover?
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 13, 2016, 10:56:54 pm
How much would it cost

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 14, 2016, 01:03:46 am
Various restor parts companies offer new, replacement upholstery kits as well as upholstery kits that are more "modernly" styled. Some are actually very nice looking.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 14, 2016, 07:09:28 am
Ok I went to a site and I did not like what I saw vinyl and velour was 200 and leather was 900! My local upholster said he thinks he can take out my old bench seat cover and put it on my new seat and I really like my old bench seat cover, Brown plaid and it's a great material doesn't scratch or tear almost like it's covered in some sort of thick plastic

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 14, 2016, 09:25:57 am
Fair enough. Leather is going to be expensive anywhere you go. Leather is inherently expensive and the material has to be cut and fitted and assembled. Requiring a decent amount of auto upholstery skill to ensure quality and appearance. The other materials are much less expensive because they aren't leather. The cost of material is the main reason for the price hike.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 14, 2016, 10:24:24 am
Also the other places don't have as nice upholstery as my bench seat

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 14, 2016, 01:44:44 pm
Well depending on the manufacturer, that good be argued. I've seen some very nice upholstery kits.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 14, 2016, 03:06:45 pm
Ya i've seen some slip covers come out real nice, tight. Heavy duty pleather or leatherette.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 14, 2016, 03:37:21 pm
I'm not talking slip on covers, I'm talking about replacement cover kits.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 14, 2016, 03:47:31 pm
C'mon there's no way you can beat this beautiful 70's plaid I mean just look at it(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160414/8accbb379d274b4baaa52e684c5be41e.jpg)

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Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 14, 2016, 09:32:08 pm
I think that bench looks great. AND those nice oem belts!! Just me talkin, but i would leave the belts and the seat alone. Unless you find oem tan belts with 3 point that fit. But i think we covered that.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 14, 2016, 09:35:20 pm
Ya I'm gonna put 3 points in I know you don't want me too but it's gonna happen, but I'll keep my 2 points and my old seat, maybe the next owner will want them back in, I will keep my eyes out for some 3 point oem belts and scoop em up but until then I want my daily driver to be safe, at least safer

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 14, 2016, 09:43:01 pm
Yah, i understand safety. Cant mess with or argue about that. Safety trumps any agument or decision. Just send pics when it comes together.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 14, 2016, 10:00:13 pm
Ok I'll do the best and most stock looking  job, just for you

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 14, 2016, 10:20:25 pm
Your bench does look great, but it would look even greater if it was new lol. It looks like you have no reason to recover it.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 14, 2016, 10:26:29 pm
Well I'm keeping this one because I couldn't find a nicer one online(if you know where a nice one is let me know), and the only reason I'm talking about switching is because I'm putting this cover on a newer bench seat, sorry this is all kind of confusing

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 14, 2016, 10:35:58 pm
Oh I get ya. Your going to remove the upholstery and re install it on a newer model bench seat. That makes more sense now. I'll let ya know if I see anything. Sometimes you just have to poke around the Internet and talk to upholstery shops.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 14, 2016, 10:39:59 pm
Ya you're on the right page now, question have any of you guys ever put a bench seat cover from a 1973-1979 truck on a 1980-1987 truck bench seat, that would be great if you knew how because that would save me a lot of money

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 14, 2016, 10:56:06 pm
I can't imagine it's that hard. The material is just held on with hog rings. You should be able to just snip or pull all the rings off, pull the cover off and then put it on the new seat. And since others have said the 80's seats are a little narrower than 70s seats, you should have a little looseness to work with to make it easier to install. You could then pull it tight when you put new hog rings on or pull it back off, add a little more padding to bring up the slack and add a little more comfort and then reinstall.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: rball716 on April 15, 2016, 03:51:12 pm
My upholstery guy took my seat from the first picture to the second for $400 plus another $200 to recover the dash. I did the steering wheel (79 corvette wheel)  and "horn button" myself. I'm really surprised I don't see people get the dash recovered, or maybe most upholstery places wont do it, but it turned out really good considering where it started (there's a few blemishes but nothing notable for a non show truck).

(http://i.imgur.com/fF5zrTC.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/MRDeJ8e.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/9iLKMMX.jpg)
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 15, 2016, 05:11:24 pm
The seat looks very nice. What materials is it? Same for dash, is it leather? I like the French stitch on the dash.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: rball716 on April 15, 2016, 05:44:52 pm
The seat is a velour with vinyl center section, the Chevy logo is vinyl too. The dash is the same vinyl as the seat. It's a high quality vinyl and you can only really tell it's not real leather by feel. Not a show truck so real leather seemed pretty pointless for the extra cost when this vinyl looked so good.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: blazer74 on April 15, 2016, 05:49:15 pm
Turned out really nice. Like the dash idea.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 15, 2016, 06:05:05 pm
Wow that's a nice interior, was you dash originally vinyl or was it the rubber type stuff, also where'd you get your bench seat cover from

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: rball716 on April 15, 2016, 06:13:41 pm
Thanks! My dash was the original vinyl dash and was cracked like they usually are. I trimmed up the cracks so they weren't flared up and filled the speaker parts and big cracks  in with expanding foam and sanded the foam down flat before I took it to the upholster. The bench seat is custom made from a local upholster. I gave him the idea, a drawing of how I kind of envisioned it, and picked the materials and he made and installed the cover and fixed the foam in the seat where it was torn up. Same for the dash, told him what I wanted with the seams and he made it up put it on the dash.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 15, 2016, 07:50:13 pm
Didnt know they could cover a dash like that. Looks good.
Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 15, 2016, 07:53:29 pm
Ok I'll do the best and most stock looking  job, just for you

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Oh, and thanks! Everyone knows by now, i love the bone stock look. Right off the assembly line. I havnt seen many trucks on this site that are real clean and pure stock. Not even mine, but im trying.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 15, 2016, 09:14:09 pm
I was thinking the seat was vinyl/velour, I had guessed the dash was leather, but the vinyl looks great. It all looks very nice.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 15, 2016, 09:19:03 pm
@rball716 I would take a educated guess that you don't have speaker in the dash

@philo_beddoe if I am correct I remember you saying you like bonazas well they're poping up everywhere, where I live
https://peoria.craigslist.org/cto (sorry the link doesn't work just type in bonanza when the link opens)
I saw another one but I can't find the link

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 15, 2016, 10:19:11 pm
You guys make we want to take the cove off mine now and reveal the original cover. Other than a small tear under your left leg in the drivers side, the seating area is in really good shape.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 15, 2016, 10:21:45 pm
Whatever you think is best, I haven't seen either covers so I'm not much help

I have one big hole in the middle of my bench seat but I put my cheapo "console" right over the top of it

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 15, 2016, 10:54:48 pm
The sides could use a good cleaning but over all its actually pretty good, the back is the worst, but the only thing that sees the back of the seat is the sub box. I could probably have the tear repaired fairly cheap. Gosh dang it, I'm gonna take that thing off tomorrow, better yet, I'll let my girlfriend take it off.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 15, 2016, 11:11:03 pm
Post some pictures tomorrow of the seat please, what kind of sub do you have in your truck

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 15, 2016, 11:17:03 pm
Ok. Will do. I think I'm gonna yank the seat out so the girlfriend has something to do and a comfy place to sit while she watches her brother and I rebuild the front end. She could even take naps on it hahaha.

I have 2 Kicker Comp 10's in a sealed box.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 15, 2016, 11:25:33 pm
Haha
Oh I have the same sub set up in our 65 impala

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 16, 2016, 01:12:15 pm
I got the box and subs from my girlfriend's brother. He had them in his 79 K20 GMC. They were brand new just older model, he had a brand new system installed so I bought them from him. They are like new.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 16, 2016, 01:24:50 pm
Cool

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 16, 2016, 07:42:01 pm
I only saw one bonanza for sale, the yellow and white one, the guy wants only 15k. He's practically giving it away.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 16, 2016, 07:57:20 pm
Ya I couldn't find the link for the second one, I'll look again, but I don't mean this in an offending way but what makes a bonanza so special

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Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 16, 2016, 11:05:26 pm
I'm not really sure, but i have never seen another one, and no one i know has ever seen one. I know there are some on this forum obviously. I just had an old timer tell me the other day he has a 78, and that they were only sold in the south.

I guess they are like a 71 Cuda tx9, or a 67 Shelby gt500, or perhaps a 1st gen camaro rs/ss.  Maybe not that rare or pricy, but everybody wants one. Lol

If you ever see one, dont think, just buy it!!
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160417/78308d16e1f1f7bf58d34c4e6cbb419a.jpg)
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 16, 2016, 11:06:29 pm
Hmm interesting

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 18, 2016, 05:13:05 pm
Here's some more bonanza's
http://eauclaire.craigslist.org/cto/5538690036.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/5534611695.html

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: rball716 on April 20, 2016, 07:06:58 pm
@rball716 I would take a educated guess that you don't have speaker in the dash



@brewster  You would be correct. The holes were crumbling so I cut them out and filled it in with expanding foam then sanded it smooth before taking it in. I have the 2 speakers in the cab corners, which works good for me. I'm going to be making up some 6x9 mounts for the corners this summer.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 20, 2016, 08:49:48 pm
Oh ok cool

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 24, 2016, 01:30:04 am
Took me long enough but I got the seat cover off. The tears in the driver side are either bigger than I remember or have grown in the years I've had it. Always being covered, I never knew. A quick cleaning made it look pretty decent, still needs a lot of love.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160424/73feda4245bc3fc91e7cf0fcd19cec89.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160424/1fcca5140ccf43a63b0432eb26ffbea6.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160424/2ab84001b9ffdd28235426c91d0d07cd.jpg)

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on April 24, 2016, 09:08:40 am
Ya that drivers side is a little rough but it still looks very good, I like it

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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 24, 2016, 03:38:44 pm
I'm going to try and clean it again, that may make it look even better. Then I'll consult with vendor we have a work who does really nice upholstery repair. She may be able to mend just the drivers enough to make it last longer until I decide to either have it recovered, get a kit for it or get different seat(s) completely. For now, I'm just concerned with stopping it before it it tears up the whole seat. I'll also treat it with some vinyl treatment to help it become more flexible and restore moisture to it so it won't crack and tear as easily.
Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 24, 2016, 06:59:05 pm
Passenger side looks great.
My bench is the same.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 24, 2016, 11:39:02 pm
I've been looking at some places for a new upholstery kit. I've only found one that I really like.

This is for 73-80 trucks, it's vinyl/velour. The vinyl is the saddle (dark brown middle and sides) and the velour is the sandstone (light brown driver & passenger spots). The saddle just about matches my new console, dash and repainted trim perfectly.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160425/4abf62d1841a779cc36779ee0ca7fb35.jpg)
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 25, 2016, 07:14:33 am
Looks real nice! What do you mean "kit"?  Not a two piece cover?
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 25, 2016, 10:21:03 am
They call them a kit because it's the replacement upholstery and the hog rings and hog ring pliers. You need those to remove and reattach the material to the seat. The material is usually in 2 pieces anyway, 1 for the seat cushion and 1 for the seat back. So thus it's a "kit".

After stopping at a spring shop, I plan to make a stop down at a long time upholstery shop and get a few ideas or quotes for recovering the seat. I've seen there work a few times, even did the headliner in my buddy's K20. This guy knows what he's doing.
Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 25, 2016, 11:05:02 am
Post whatever they tell you or show you. Do we need a whole new cushion or can we just beef up the drivers side seat and back. Seat covers and cushions aint cheap!
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 26, 2016, 11:59:23 am
My visit to the upholstery shop went well. I showed him the seat cover I posted that I liked. He said he could make that exactly if I wanted, we discussed a few other options as well.

He said he can shave and shape the cushions to look and feel more like a bucket seat that will cradle and support my body better than a bench. We also looked at using multiple materials and possibly adding headrests as a safety and comfort feature.

These are the colors and materials we looked at.

This is vinyl called Sierra Saddle
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160426/5abfa86a002e3d725576d36537ca6228.jpg)

These are cloth, velour type materials, somewhat thick feeling, not thin like a headliner might feel, it's also pretty tough he said, it holds up well.

Sandstone
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160426/4a94eddab12c820d35d386c00a810997.jpg)

Sandstone with brown(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160426/1e161df0066b4020a552359e28d75760.jpg)

Walnut
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160426/0e5ffcabc91333e06c5edf55795fffcd.jpg)

The plan it's to create the image of the cover I posted earlier. The sides and lower wrap around area will be the Saddle vinyl. The side pleats and middle will be in the cloth Walnut. The pleated driver and passenger spots will be the cloth Sandstone with brown. The back side of the seat that rests against my subwoofer box will be some type of similar colored light carpet. Then the driver and pass spots will be shaped like buckets, the middle seat will be shaped like a bucket as well but not full-size, probably about 3/4 size, just a little wider than the dark brown middle section normally is. I'm doing the middle shaped also so that my girlfriend has a comfy place to sit. She always sits in middle, she doesn't like sitting on the pass side.

Then, depending on whether or not I put headrests on, those will be covered to match and he said he will also cover the plastic hinge covers in vinyl also, he said it will look better than just repainting them. They are kinda banged up anyway, paint might not hide that, a smooth vinyl over the top would hide everything.

All this could change tho, if I decide to use a different material or color or who knows. That's just my plan for now.
Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 27, 2016, 09:47:51 pm
Does that come at a price? $$, how about a standard stock tan vinyl?
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 28, 2016, 01:10:47 am
Currently, I'm looking at between 4 & 500. But it could go up or down depending on how far I want to push this lol. No idea about a factory tan all vinyl replacement, I didn't even bother asking, I don't want all vinyl again.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 28, 2016, 06:17:36 am
I like vinyl as long as it has a real tough leather feel, not thin and cheap. I dont like plushy soft seats either.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 28, 2016, 09:27:49 am
Out here in central California, the summer heat will turn leather and vinyl the same temp as the surface of the sun. We had a nice 90° day a couple days ago and it made the seat pretty toasty just in a few hours. So a good, thick, cloth is much better to prevent 3rd degree burns to the back of my legs and my keester.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: big_al273 on April 28, 2016, 05:34:09 pm
Out here in central California, the summer heat will turn leather and vinyl the same temp as the surface of the sun. We had a nice 90° day a couple days ago and it made the seat pretty toasty just in a few hours. So a good, thick, cloth is much better to prevent 3rd degree burns to the back of my legs and my keester.

seconded, same deal up in Canada but not only do we worry about burning our arses off in the summer, we get too sit on ice blocks in the winter, nothing like going out in the morning cold only to get into a colder truck with frozen seats. No leather or vinyl seats for me, well not by choice anyways
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 28, 2016, 08:38:02 pm
Our winters can get pretty cold sometimes, nothing compared to other places. It usually won't drop below 26° or so, that's usually 28° or 30° is normal for a good cold winter spell. Still plenty cold enough to freeze your hide sitting on leather or vinyl.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 29, 2016, 08:54:45 pm
Ya my seats are black vinyl, some summer days i cant wear shorts. Its a trade off.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 29, 2016, 10:43:48 pm
If I don't use a windshield sun shade, I will need a skin graft to replace the bbq'd flesh from my rear end.
Title: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on April 30, 2016, 08:24:55 am
Hey, speaking of those sunshades, where can we get one to fit our small windshields? Todays windshields are like football fields. Gotta protect my new dash pad.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on April 30, 2016, 11:20:33 am
Read this. Any more questions after, just ask.

http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=31470.0
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: zieg85 on May 09, 2016, 08:59:32 pm
I replied but your mailbox was full.  The newer seats doesn't have a lever but lock if you have to slam on the brakes like the seatbelts do.

Your mail box is still full.  You need to delete some messages if you want responses to your PM's
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on May 10, 2016, 08:29:57 am
Read this. Any more questions after, just ask.

http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=31470.0

Coincidently we'll be buying a refridgerator next week, i shall make one from the cardboard. Will paint one side white and cut in three sections and use gorilla tape for the folds. Should get me through. I dont mind the heat, i just dont want to melt or fade out my nice new dash pad.

I'll post pics.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on May 10, 2016, 10:12:21 am
You could cover it in aluminum foil and it would double as protection from the radio active mind control devices of alien spacecraft. Hahahaha.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on May 10, 2016, 12:47:02 pm
Exactly!!! Lol, somebody's always watching. Probably obama, lol
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on May 10, 2016, 02:36:30 pm
He's an alien too.
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: philo_beddoe on May 10, 2016, 09:37:58 pm
He's an alien too.

So, aliens DO have waffle heads. Gotcha....
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: LTZ C20 on May 10, 2016, 09:52:21 pm
Hahaha
Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: roundhouse on May 11, 2016, 06:32:50 am
The seat covers that slip on are not bad as long as you get the two piece design
Course that doesn't help the collapsed foam
Is anyone making replacement foam ?


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Title: Re: Bench Seat differences
Post by: brewster on May 11, 2016, 04:43:02 pm
I'm pretty sure you know who is selling them in their catalog online

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