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Title: More Power From 305
Post by: Foxracing500r on October 15, 2006, 07:30:00 pm
Hi Guys I am new here.

Anyways I have a 73 Chevy C10 with a 305 and a TH350 tranny and a 12 bolt rear, The engine Mods are as follows:

Dynomax Headers
True Duals with Glasspacks
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
Holley 750 Carb
1" Carb Spacer
K&N air filter
MSD dist.
MSD wires
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I am looking for Decent Pwer gains for Decent money,

I like the 305, it is a nice engine, I have thought about a 454 and a decent Tranny but this is my daily driver, and I have no other way to get to work.

Any help will be appriciated

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Title: mods
Post by: VileZambonie on October 15, 2006, 09:10:00 pm
well I would say that carb is probably a bit much for your needs. Have you considered a cam swap and maybe some cylinder head work?

Title: Re: mods
Post by: 1976Scottsdale on October 15, 2006, 10:42:00 pm
1. Remove the spacer, it is okay, but they leak sometimes.
2. Do a cam swap, summit sells a 422/444 lift cam that would work well.  It is $70.00 for the cam and lifters.
3. Make sure that your headers are 1 5/8" tubing.  Too big is not good on a 305.
4. A good distributor or a rebuild of the stock one with a 50,000 volt coil.(Accel Supercoil is a good choice, their Brute Thunder is a little more voltage, but it fits under the cap like a stock one)
5. A nice flexfan would help too.

Title: Re: More Power From 305
Post by: Foxracing500r on October 16, 2006, 08:33:00 am
Thanks guys, I dont know for sure what the carb is, I believe it is a 750 but not 100% sure, I will check later.

Now with the Cam and Lifters, How hard is it to install?

I have a Cam in their now, that came with the truck, but it is a High End Cam. Power is horrible down low.

I like to do all the work myself and Im 18, I know alot about Trucks, especially GM. I built my first ATV when I was 12.

Title: Re: More Power From 305
Post by: Lt.Del on October 16, 2006, 10:07:00 am
So you want more power down low?
You can swap the cam as mention prior for an RV type cam, which takes advantage of your hp at lower rpms.
You can swap your rear end with a lower (higher number) gear and get a pleasant jump from down low.  

SgtDel
aka "Andy"

www.delbridge.net

1979 Big 10 383 stroker
1991 Blu 'Burb 3/4 ton 4x4

Title: Re: mods
Post by: Foxracing500r on October 16, 2006, 11:58:00 am
Thanks Sarge, Now if I swapped out the rear now, Will I have to change again if I put in a 400 SB down the road, So I dont burn out everywhere?


BTW where can I get that Cam?, I tried Jegs and Summit with no luck.

Title: cam
Post by: 123 pugsy on October 16, 2006, 12:21:00 pm
Comp cams tech line

CAM HELP®
1-800-999-0853

Higher gears would never have to come out because you would love the nice jump off the line they give.They will burn a lot more gas the higher you go.  

Title: Re: More Power From 305
Post by: roundedline on October 16, 2006, 03:42:00 pm
Cam Swap info (in truck)
www.73-87.com/7387garage/...in/cam.htm

I wouldn't go over 3.42's if you plan to drive it on the street.

Chris Lucas
www.73-87chevytrucks.com
www.captkaoscustoms.com
Project Su
Jimmy 2WD Project

Title: Re: More Power From 305
Post by: Foxracing500r on October 18, 2006, 01:18:00 pm
What About 3:73's?

Title: Re: More Power From 305
Post by: Lt.Del on October 18, 2006, 02:45:00 pm
with 3.73, you would be taching too high on the interstate unless you have larger wheels to compensate for the real low rear end.  Many may disagree and love that low end power for pulling, but for a street driver, as Chris stated, a 3.42 may be best and still get a good bit of low-end power.  

SgtDel
aka "Andy"

www.delbridge.net

1979 Big 10 383 stroker
1991 Blu 'Burb 3/4 ton 4x4

Edited by: SgtDel  at: 10/18/06 1:45 pm
Title: Re: More Power From 305
Post by: Foxracing500r on October 18, 2006, 03:10:00 pm
Its just my low end now is horrable.

A little girl on a Bicycle can take me out off the line.

I heard that a 3:73 would be good, But I shouldnt be reving to High since I Manual Shift anyway, I have a Custom Built 350 Tranny that allows me to shift while still having an Auto.

When I bought my Truck, Almost everthing was in Stage one of Building to race, I have a Modified Tranny and Shift kit, A huge 12 bolt rear.

Only thing is the engine, The guy I bought it from had a 383 stroker engine he was planning on putting in it, But decided to sell and put it in a Nova.

I was looking on eBAY for an engine, and I came across a couple of Rebuilt 400 SBC's for under 2 G's.

I may do that one day, Its just what to do now?.

I Deffinitly need to open my rear to put Posi in, So while I am in there, I will Get Ring and Pinion as well, Its just deciding what gears to get for what I want.

I basically want this truck to Go fast, and Quick off the line.

I am a Major Import Hater, so any chance I get to beat them I take, and so far the only thing I can hold up against is the Basic Civics.

I dont race all the time, But when I get on it to speed up, Power is bad.

I just want to fill the gap, Yah know?

Title: Gears
Post by: VileZambonie on October 18, 2006, 03:14:00 pm
What size tires do you have?

I have 3.73's in one of my trucks and it'll do 70 @ about 3K RPM but I hardly drive on the highway so they are perfect for my truck.

Title: Re: Gears
Post by: 1976Scottsdale on October 18, 2006, 09:21:00 pm
Okay, I run 4.10's in my 78.  You will darn near come off of the ground if you run those, but you will be out of gears by 50MPH.  Run 3.42's.  They are a good all-around gear.  They will launch hard if you want them too, and they will cruise down the road just fine as well.

Title: gears
Post by: Lt.Del on October 18, 2006, 10:30:00 pm
Quote:
I heard that a 3:73 would be good, But I shouldnt be reving to High since I Manual Shift anyway,


But still, unless you have an overdrive /or really large wheels like 18", going 60mph on the interstate will cause you to tach quite high....many rpms = lots of gas.  

It wont be as bad as 4.10, but you get the idea.  YOu have some options.

SgtDel

Title: Re: gears
Post by: VileZambonie on October 19, 2006, 06:13:00 am
It Doesn't matter what wheels he has it's the tire circumference. An 18"wheel turns the same speed as a 13" wheel with the same tire circumference.

Use a calculator like this one to get an idea. If you have a 3 speed automatic your drive range ratio is 1:1

www.csgnetwork.com/multirpmcalc.html

Edited by: VileZambonie  at: 10/19/06 3:29 pm
Title: Re: gears
Post by: Lt.Del on October 19, 2006, 11:18:00 am
Yeah, i know it is the tire circumferene, I just don't see too many low profile tires on 18" wheels in my area on these trucks.  It is a little common sensical about what changes the rear ratio--atleast it should be.  Just don't overlook wheel/tires when determining rear ratios.  

And don't forget to re calibrate your speedo when ratios are changed.

   

SgtDel
aka "Andy"

www.delbridge.net

1979 Big 10 383 stroker
1991 Blu 'Burb 3/4 ton 4x4

Title: Re: gears
Post by: VileZambonie on October 19, 2006, 03:31:00 pm
Where are you from SgtDel? Everyone around here runs low profile tires on larger wheels.  

Title: Re: gears
Post by: Lt.Del on October 19, 2006, 08:10:00 pm
The capital of the CSA Richmond.

Nope, not many of those on pickup trucks.  I see a lot on sedans and foreign jobbies. I am not saying there are none.  Most pickup trucks around here are used for practical purposes, and not for show---I'd like to see a 4x4 with those low profile tires on the outer banks of N.C. on the beach, or out in the fields hunting--that would be a sight.  

I have seen those things on newer SUV's and such--they look horrible--perhaps I am old-fashioned.  

SgtDel
aka "Andy"

www.delbridge.net

1979 Big 10 383 stroker
1991 Blu 'Burb 3/4 ton 4x4

Edited by: SgtDel  at: 10/19/06 7:20 pm
Title: Reply
Post by: Foxracing500r on October 19, 2006, 09:34:00 pm
Ok My tires are 265/75/R16 - So they are about 26-27 inches tall.

I dont know what gears Im running now but they suck.

I am gonna be traveling about 30 mins to work once I get to my new house, So I will be crusin at like 65 or so.

So you think I shouldnt get 3:73's with that drive, I already get crappy MPG cause of my carb runnin rich.

Title: Re: Reply
Post by: Lt.Del on October 19, 2006, 11:42:00 pm
30 mins driving 65?  I'd go with 3.42 myself. You don't want to keep your engine winding high w/ those kind of rpms if you go to 3.73--it would be like being in 2nd gear all the time.  You'd be in third, but you'd think there would be another gear to go into due to the rpms so high.

SgtDel
aka "Andy"

www.delbridge.net

1979 Big 10 383 stroker
1991 Blu 'Burb 3/4 ton 4x4

Edited by: SgtDel  at: 10/19/06 10:44 pm
Title: more power
Post by: dumpbucket on October 22, 2006, 11:32:00 pm
If your after better low end sound like you have the wrong intake/cam package on your truck. Both are suited for high end power. You can make good power with that 305 by down sizing your carburetor to a 390cfm up to 600cfm I would not go any larger than 600cfm's on a 305. Your best bet for cam and intake are the matched edelbrock performer cam/intake package they are your best bang for your buck for low end. Also if you check ebay you can find them dirt cheap used if you want to save some money. I would find out exactly what rear end gears you actually have before you go changing them out you may already have the optimum gears and just don't realize it.

Title: 305
Post by: stepside454 on October 23, 2006, 04:02:00 pm
I agree with dump. I had a 77 1/2 ton short step with 3.73s with 275/60/15s
I built a mild flat top 305 with Edelbrock Performer cam ( same exact cam as the  Summit cam mentioned earlier, Performer intake 570 CFM Holley carb, small tube headers. pulled strong to over 5500  RPMs. ran mid 14s in 1/4.....far from fast by any means, but it was fun.
I also built a little healther 305 for my 86 ElCamino, 10:1 L-98 aluminum Vette heads, performer intake, 570 Holley. 13.30s with 3.08 gears : )

Title: Re: 305
Post by: Foxracing500r on November 01, 2006, 08:58:00 am
Well I am gonna replace brakes soon, as my brakes have went once I got to the mountains, I am a Country boy not a mountain man.

So after that I will look into Edelbrocks Cam and Lifter combo for the Performer RPM intake.

I noticed too, After being up here at around 1600 ft. My truck runs like a champ, The Low end tourqe is good and its faster,

So I may hold off on gears for a while, and get the Front Fiberglass Fenders and Hood, and Modify that cam.

I thank you all alot for your help, as you have answered my question in so many helpfull suggestions.