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WRITTEN BY A 15 yr. Old SCHOOL KID IN ARIZONA:
New Pledge of Allegiance (TOTALLY AWESOME)!
Since the Pledge of Allegiance
And
The Lord's Prayer
Are not allowed in most
Public schools anymore
Because the word 'God' is mentioned....
A kid in Arizona wrote the attached
NEW School prayer:
Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.
If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.
Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.
We're allowed to cause and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong.
We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.
It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!
Amen
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Personally, I don't feel the word "God" should be in the pledge, or on money, nor do I think prayer should be permitted in public schools, but I haven't a problem with people choosing to pray in public, ie at a restraunt, as long as they neither expect me to participate or be quiet so its more convenient for them.
I think what has caused such a rabid "anti-christ" attitude in people today, is how often people try to shove Christian beliefs and customs down our throats whether we want it or not. I'm not rude to people that hand out religious flyers and such, I simply say no thanks..if they try to force it on me, I walk away..but when I'm out someplace, talking to my Pagan roommate about a gathering, or anything of the like, somone always jumps in and has to ridicule her (or us, they usually assume I'm Pagan as well), for her beliefs, and spout a bunch of blatently false statements and accusations..Whichever side you look at it from, its outright WRONG when you can't discuss your beliefs in a completely open and public place like a park or sidewalk, without somone verbally bashing you with untruths.
I'm athiest, if anyone hadn't guessed.
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They fire a judge for keeping the ten commandments in his courthouse. Yet, in order to tesify in court, one must swear on the bible under oath or the testimony is not allowed.
What does the president of the United States do as his first action in office? He places his left hand on the bible and raises his right hand and takes the oath of office..."so help me God".
An inmate in jail cannot be interupted if he is praying. If a Muslim requests an extra blanket for praying, he must get it or he will sue. No one else gets an extra blanket. If someone, even if there is only one inmate of a specific religion, requests a Sunday service, a priest must be brought in. Or, the jurisdiction can be sued.
Yet, my son cannot pray in school if he so chooses? Give me a break! I DARE someone to interupt him!
Can you say hypocrites?
Now, as our Nat'l Anthem, The Star Spangled Banner, the first verse is usually the only verse you sing, however, Fracis Scott Key goes on to the fifth verse...
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
http://wilstar.com/holidays/ssbanner.htm (http://wilstar.com/holidays/ssbanner.htm)
This is OUR National Anthem. If the ACLU and other individuals don't like that, you can get out of this country.
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I will NEVER swear on a bible in court. period. I'll let a mass murderer go free before I would swear on a bible. Its a hypocritic text written and rewritten by man, that alone is enough for me to want nothing to do with it.
An inmate in prison, imo, should be able to be interrupted during ANY activity. Prayer is no exception. Likewise on an extra blanket..you want a blanket to pray on? Drag the one off the bed. I'm all for *equally* upholding the separation of church and state. If you want to stand out on the street and pray, or sacrifice a live chicken, or call upon the spirits of the earth for guidance, by all means do so..Just don't expect everyone else to do the same.
Shoving a diety down people's throat is flat out unconstitutional. The word "God" on money, in the pledge, in the anthem, on a courthouse, on a state building of any kind, or forcing people to swear on a bible, is a direct violation of the separation of church and state. Thats nothing short of telling me "You must believe in God to live in this country" and to that, I fly a proud one finger salute on each hand, as the Constitution guarantees me the right to do so.
I'm not directing anything at anyone on here, I'm just adding my opinion. Agree with it or not, thats your right to decide just as its mine to have.
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Just don't expect everyone else to do the same.
I don't think that is the issue. If one prays (after all, it is his right), that doesn't mean he wants everyone to pray and follow his lead.
The Bill of Rights demonstrate the rights people have. However, talking about schools, my son has the "right" to pray as long as it is not interrupting anything else or him forcing it on anyone else. This is his right. He could care less if his classmate prays, just leave him alone.
Why the gov't says he can't do that is hyprocritical when the gov't says prisons must bend over backwards to allow all inmates their religious rights.
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BTW, seperation of church and state isn't in the constitution.. How are they shoving diety down you throat if it is just something written somewhere, there is no established religion. If you believe there is no deity since you are an athiest aren't they just putting words on paper that mean nothing. I am guessing you are still going to use money and coins even though they have God written on it? Is it just the Bible that is the big issue? If you think it is just a book why do you have a problem swearing on it? Would you have an issue swearing on a Satanic Bible, or an Buddist text? What do you mean when you say the Bible is hypocritc text? Have you read any doctrines?
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I agree that its hypocritical that they wont allow it in schools but bend over backwards for it in prisons, I don't care if somone wants to pray silently before school begins, or silently over lunch. My problem lies with those that want there to be a special time and/or place for them to pray in school, or tie up space that could be used for more appropriate school-related activities. I also have major issues with being required to teach "intellegent design", or forced NOT to teach evolution.
I use my debit card instead of carrying cash when I can, but I (we) have vertually no choice as far as having to use cash and coins, regardless of what they say on them. I suppose I could try to deal in furs or somthing, but I strangely don't think the gas station is gonna take coyote pelts for a tank of gas..well, maybe that one shop way outside of town...I swear I heard a Deliverance banjo when I drove by there the other day...
As for swearing on a bible..do you really want somone SWEARING on what to them is just a meaningless bundle of paper, as a binding statement of truth? A non-believer could make blatently false statements and not care, and could even argue that its NOT contempt, because that bible means nothing to them and there was no reason for them to be bound to truth by it. I wouldn't swear on any religious document, no matter what the religion, for this reason. I wouldn't lie under the circumstances, but not everyone is that honest. I think people should be made to swear on bodily pain instead of a book. "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, or else we'll beat you with a (insert goofy, but painful item to be beaten with here..ie, a waffle iron)" ;D
When I was in school, we were required to stand and repeat the pledge every morning..the only way to get out of it, was for your parents to fill out paperwork stating that your whole family is a member of "X religion" and it goes against your beliefs, yada yada yada. I was yelled at in eighth grade for purposely omitting the words "under God".
In my opinion, being forced to swear on a document that holds no meaning to me in court, under a God I do not believe in, and to trust a God I don't believe in, just to be able to live a somwhat-normal daily life, qualifies as having it shoved down my throat. Not to mention the slander that my Pagan/wiccan friends suffer, especially if they wear their pinnacle in public. When somone you know and care for very much, is threatened with bodily harm on an almost daily basis because of their spiritual beliefs, you start to see the worst in the offending group of people.
My biggest issue isn't with the bible, or most of its casual believers that honestly DON'T care what I believe..my distaste is with those with a completely closed mind, that won't accept that their beliefs could be wrong, and instead try to tell everyone that we should be taught intelligent design in school, and be strongly encouraged to believe in a higher power.
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Judging from your age (compared to me) you haven't been out of school very long. I don't know if they are teaching intelligent design or not. They didn't when I went to school. There were more Science courses teaching evolution (ala:Darwin). Now if one pursues a Bachelor of Science degree, like I have, one sees Darwin all over the place.
I guess it is all in what you study. I guess if you get a degree in religious studies, you get more of the intelligent design.
The Scopes Monkey Trial (where they jailed a TN teacher, Mr. Scopes, for teaching evolution in the 20's) just isn't over yet...I doubt it ever will be.
It all goes back to what your core beliefs are. I can read "Mein Kampf" and not really believe what Hitler believes. The same goes for Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto". I can read Betty Friedan's "Feminine Mystique" and not necessarily subscribe to Women's Lib. You can read Darwin's "Origin of the Species" with the same apprehension if one so chooses. One can choose not to believe the Warren Commission on JFK's assasination if one so wishes. I could go on and on...
I guess the school's purpose is to give everyone a background of everything and take out of it what you will.
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I personally don't feel that in today's USA people want to be told what to do or what to believe in. Most people go to church or believe in their own God because they were raised that way. Sort of like how one becomes the fan of a baseball team because his dad did. There's no better place to do that then in your Church or in your house. But when someone becomes their own person with different beliefs they absolutely shouldn't have to swear on bibles or pledge "under God" if they choose not too. Nobody should ever have another ones religious beliefs forced into their life if they chose not too. I never understood why people bang on your door and try to get you to believe what they believe. I don't want a Jahova, or any other person shoving their religion in my face. I don't have a problem with "In God we trust" on money and whatnot because it was created that way and I'm only looking at the numeric digit on mine anyway. I think it's inevitable that one day the pledge of allegiance will change or no longer be performed in public and that swearing on the bible will become swearing on something more legal, or that the "in God we trust" disappears off of $. I could care less either way
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Things have changed substantially since the English founding of this country. In Jamestown, one had to attend church twice each day. If they did not appear, they would be fined or punished harshly. That was the law.
I am not too religious--I'd rather be attending the Church of Chevrolet on Sundays. ;D
However, I play devil's advocate (pardon the pun) on many issues. There are points to every side.
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To me this country was founded on the belief of being free and to me "In God We Trust" and other items that are biblical is what made this country great. To me its not the sense that its part of the bible or whatever its apart of our freedom. You dont have to believe in God to believe in freedom. People lately have been worried to much about well theres God in the Pledge and different biblical sayings on buildings that been there for 100's of years. To me we should be worried about immigration and our economy because it seems like its going down hill. To me there are to many other problems besides people getting offended by something thats been part of our country for along time. To me I reference the Pledge to our freedom as I see other things. I could be wrong but thats just me.
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WOW! I didn't think this would become that detailed :o .... my personally i do not like being lectured on anyones else beliefs..... every mind is a different world. I don't judge any religion everybody has their own belief how each and everybody was raised up..... just please do not try to shove any opinions/beliefs on my face of my families....
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I was just watching the news (as depressing as that is nowadays).
They referred to the long-standing practice of the flag folding at military funerals.
As it always has been, at a funeral for a military deceased, either active or veteran, the flag draped over the casket goes to the next of kin after it is folded 13 times by the military in a way that only the blue and stars are present in the triangle.
Well, those 13 fold are representative of 13 things. The 11th and 12th folds represent Judaism and Christianity, respectively.
Well, of course someone called on the military to stop that practice. For a small period of time, all Federal cemetaries and funeral functions halted that practice. What!!
Your dad or son just died in war and the long-time practice at the funeral has been halted!???
All because one person didn't like it, that one person who isn't even related to you and you don't even know that one person. But our great gov't got scared and bowed down. They stopped the practice!
It wasn't until the White House got involved and VP Cheney was instructed to order it to continue. Now, the officials must ask if they want the 13 fold representations cited or not. Well, this is better than just not doing the practice because of one person cried about it.
My dad was wounded three times in Vietnam and wishes to be buried at Arlington. I am gathering information now on that, even though he has a while to go. I want his ceremony to be just like his fallen comrades before him. He has been lucky enough to survive them, but why should his ceremony be any different than those who passed before him? Just because one person didn't like it? That one guy doesn't have to attend my father's funeral(and i hope he doesn't). He can close his freakin eyes if he wishes.
What's wrong America? GEEZE
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Amen, sgt.
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I'd never heard about the reasons for the 13 folds, but I can complete them with my eyes closed. I wish everyone voluntarily took as much care in the treatment of the American flag as I was taught to do so by my first Boy Scout leader. It truely saddens me to see the Flag flying in the rain, or at night without being properly lit. And the number of places that fly a tattered Flag, well past its due time of ceremonial retirement, is infuriating. I caught the maintainance staff of the local Wal-Mart about to throw their two Flags in the trash when they DID finally replace them, after flying them for over 5 years straight regardless of the weather, and unlit at night. I asked them to give both flags to me so I could properly retire them, which prompted them to call a manager, and I had to argue with him for 10 minutes to get him to let me take them.
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They weren't teaching intelligent design when I graduated, but my roomate just moved from a small town in Kansas, she lived with a family with a 16 y/o son..his school is required to teach intelligent design, and required to spend no more than 3 chapters on evolution...
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These things always turn into debates with two sides on them, and both sides think their right. SgtDel, I'm not that far out of school either as indicated by my age, however when I was in Biology and we did the "Darwin" thing, we had an essay test on "How the earth was formed?" So I quoted the bible, and was almost failed until I told the school that they were violating my rights to believe what I wanted to, and didn't want to make an ordeal out of it if I didn't have to but I would. Also the way I look at the no prayer in school thing is that now my rights are impeded because someone else had their rights impeded, I know we have freedom of religion and speech and beliefs but we have to draw the line somewhere. I mean Why does having God on our money offend anyone? Does God make our money less valuable, if anything I would think it would be the opposite. But I think this country will fall hard if we turn our backs on God and play the politically correct card and try to make everyone happy. I mean what is the difference if the courthouse has the ten commandments on it? Would you rather have Satan on it? Would you rather our future generation be running wild with no morals and doing whatever feels good without thinking of the consequences? Would you rather that courthouse be covered in graffiti because of the lack of respect kids have for authority? Look at the US 50 years ago and now. Where have our morals gone? We sold them for the all mighty dollar and the feel good now moments. I'd rather live in the 1940's or 50's then see what the next few decades hold. I've read how it all ends and it's not pretty, wars, disasters, disease...I'm just glad that I won't be here for it. That's just my 2 pennies on the God thing.
Dan
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SgtDel, I'm not that far out of school either as indicated by my age, however when I was in Biology and we did the "Darwin" thing, we had an essay test on "How the earth was formed?"
Precisely my point 85mudmonster.
This is what i wrote earlier....
I don't know if they are teaching intelligent design or not. They didn't when I went to school. There were more Science courses teaching evolution (ala:Darwin).
The point I made is that we are not infringing upon the atheist's rights. In public schools one learns of evolution moreso than intelligent design. I never took a test on Adam and Eve in school.
Look at the US 50 years ago and now. Where have our morals gone? We sold them for the all mighty dollar and the feel good now moments. I'd rather live in the 1940's or 50's then see what the next few decades hold. I've read how it all ends and it's not pretty, wars, disasters, disease...I'm
I concur. You are wise for your age. ;)
And I am sorry for using the term "GEEZE" earlier (Geeze is slang for Jesus--You know, when you can't believe something--it is commonly used in place of a profanity, like "Jesus Christ!" So, for those who are offended by my use of a religious character, please forgive me ---oh, wait, it doesn't matter if i am forgiven or not, at the gates, St. Peter doesn't exist, oh, wait, what gates?)
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I'm not the type to be offended by the use of a religious figure in daily speech...I do it all the time, mainly because soon after my HS graduation, I realized that I seldom managed a sentence without some form of profanity, and worked dilligently at weening myself off of it..now I just stammer and sound stupid, instead of filthing and fouling and..sounding stupid..
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Look at the US 50 years ago and now. Where have our morals gone? We sold them for the all mighty dollar and the feel good now moments. I'd rather live in the 1940's or 50's then see what the next few decades hold. I've read how it all ends and it's not pretty, wars, disasters, disease...I'm
I concur. You are wise for your age. ;)
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I blame that on good parenting. ;D
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To whom it may concern - I LOVE JESUS!!!!, I believe the BIBLE, and I miss Dale Earnhardt. ;D ;D
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First off, Ive always been considered an agnostic. For those who dont know what that is, it basically means that I just dont know. It doesnt mean I dont believe in a deity.. I just dont know.
After the attack on 9/11 I started to realize that we are under attack by religous extremists who believe that anyone who dont carry the same faith are dogs ,& need to be destroyed. It made me wonder where people get faith from. I started asking questions. I commonly do service calls at churches, so whenever possible, Id strike up a conversation, I started reading.... the Bible, & other inforamtion. I actually have been going to church weekly. I do believe that there is a higher power, its obvious to me. I cant however call myself a Christian, because I cant say that I have Faith.
I never understood how anyone can take offense to "in God we trust" it doesnt specifically say...what God. Like it or not, this country was founded on Jew-Christian values & beleifs. the seperation of church and state has been strongly missuded by the ACLU & others.
I could go on, but Im starting to ramble LOL. John
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We all miss Dale. :'(
John, I'm glad that 9/11 has had that effect on you, I'm sure you're not the only one who started looking for answers after that happened. Faith is hard to explain, although some religions and groups of people go to far, but hopfully the U.S. will be there to kick some butt when people get jumpy. I'm not going to force one certain religion down your throuht because I hear people all the time say how much they hate that, and I would never want to turn someone away from Jesus by what I said. I encourage you to keep going to chruch and keep your heart open, Jesus is always there offering the gift of eternal life, all you have to do is believe and accept. Anyway, I do not want to start preaching, and forcing beliefs on people, so I will end there.
Dan
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Thanks, I dont know if Ill ever find faith, however, I find myself both more informed, & confused...wierd LOL. It is obvious to me that there is a creator, & although some of what Ive read in the Bible doesnt make sense to me, the message is good.
I also believe part of what is wrong with so many people today is lack of any instilled moral values. Now, Im not saying the only place to find moral values is church, but, alot of the people who dont go to church, have children who are disrespectful, unappreciative, inconsiderate, rude, selfish, etc., just lack of being kind to others. So, if nothing else, I enjoy the messages that I already know, just a nice reminder. John
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Thanks, I dont know if Ill ever find faith, however, I find myself both more informed, & confused...wierd LOL. It is obvious to me that there is a creator
John,
You have already found faith...
To commit oneself to act based on sufficient evidence to warrant belief, but without absolute proof. You found with this" I started reading.... the Bible, & other inforamtion. I actually have been going to church weekly.
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17
Everyone has faith, most of it is taken for granted though. We wake up knowing there is life giving air to breath, even though there is no absolute proof that it exists when we awake, that is faith.
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Captkaos, you hit the nail on the head.
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I appreciate the remarks, but I dont think thats faith. To me, somebody who has faith in God, or faith in Jesus for eample, believes in the lord, as its written in the Holy Bible, without question.
I however believe in a creator, & I love the message, but Im not for certain who the creator is. I think the creator is God, & I think his son is Jesus, & to believe in Jesus is the true path to heaven, but I dont know, thats where I lack faith.
My problem is ,Im a skeptic, over lotsa stuff, not just the Bible. All through biblical times there were skeptics, some , or many where given angels & visions. Some became belivers, some didnt.Im one of those. LOL. John
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It never hurts to be a skeptic....and not just take "the word for it" (even if you are not from Missouri--the show me state). You are being honest and there is nothing wrong with that. Some people "want" to believe in it and simply say they do because that is what they are "supposed" to say. I think more people have some doubt than what any one person realizes.
Ask yourself honestly, "How can one be sure?" Yes, generations before ours believed strongly in their religion--does that mean we should?. We are presently in a world of information and know the reasons for many things. Why does it rain? Why are leaves green? Why does water put out fire? Why did your Chevy truck get a flat last week? We know these things because we can see it or touch it--experiment with it.
Religion was the answer for all of these things before we found the science of these things. Why does water flow downhill? Because God created it that way.
Now many want to see the science of religion. How can it be tested, proved, validated?
I sound like an atheist but I am just bringing to light the turmoil many find within themselves. I consider myself a religious person but not in the text book sense. I know there was a man named Jesus Christ and had followers. Was he the son of God? I believe in evolution, but, a foundation could have been laid to set this in process by an almighty being. Did we evolve from chimps? No. However, sharing 99% of their DNA, it could be concluded that chimps and man did share a common mammal ancestor millions of years ago and simply, somewhere up the line, we branched apart--after millions of years one branch became what is now known as chimps, the other after millions of years evolved into us. Mutations may be the staple to an evolving species. They do occur. Some groups are immune to specific diseases, while others will and have died from it...due to mutations (ie:Black Plague). It is nature's way of cleansing to become a more perfect species. Some groups are more susceptible to cancers than others due to their DNA--which was a result of mutation somewhere along the line. I know that the good book says that God created man in his own likeness. The bible was written by man, as egotistical as he is. In this information-rich society, we need to know the how and why and what and when, etc...Sometimes it is a shame to spend so many years in school learning the sciences. But I, for one, strive for answers--that is just who I am. And I know we cannot answer everything---I have a disease for knowledge that cannot be satisfied. My 6,000 nonfiction books in my basement don't hold all the answers unfortunately.
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yousound like we share a common boat.
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what's wrong with Missouri? I was raised there!!
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what's wrong with Missouri? I was raised there!!
Then you know it is nicknamed the "show me state". Legend has it they never believe anything unless they see it. It is a name attributed to Representative Willard Van Diver. Don't blame me, I didn't give them the nickname.
New York is the "Big Apple", Alabama is the "Yellowhammer state", Alaska is the "Last Frontier", Virginia is the "Old Dominion", California is the "Arnold State", no, i mean the "Golden State". I bet a lot of guys here know what state is the "Constitution State". How about the "First State" or the "Sunshine State"? You get the idea.
I tend to put things like that in my writings to "get the wheels spinning" sometimes.
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It's not called that cause no one believes anything there, it's called that cause everything you want to see is in Missouri...like "show me the city" that's St. Louis and K.C., or "Show me hunting" That'd be just about anywhere there's not city, or like "Show me Stars" that'd be Branson....
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It's not called that cause no one believes anything there, it's called that cause everything you want to see is in Missouri...like "show me the city" that's St. Louis and K.C., or "Show me hunting" That'd be just about anywhere there's not city, or like "Show me Stars" that'd be Branson....
uh, you may want to look at the history of your state. As mentioned earlier, Represntative Vandiver made a speech in Philadelphia once which started the whole "show me state" persona.
Here ya go....from the (Official) Missouri State Archives website http://sos.mo.gov/archives/history/slogan.asp (http://sos.mo.gov/archives/history/slogan.asp)
"Missouri's U.S. Congressman Willard Duncan Vandiver, who served in the United States House of Representatives from 1897 to 1903. While a member of the U.S. House Committee on Naval Affairs, Vandiver attended an 1899 naval banquet in Philadelphia. In a speech there, he declared, "I come from a state that raises corn and cotton and !@#$leburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I am from Missouri. You have got to show me."
Another version is during the mining strikes in Colorado in the 1890's....."The Joplin miners were unfamiliar with Colorado mining methods and required frequent instructions. Pit bosses began saying, "That man is from Missouri. You'll have to show him."
bibliography:
Rossiter, Phyllis. "I'm from Missouri--you'll have to show me." Rural Missouri, Volume 42, Number 3, March 1989, page 16.
Official Manual of the State of Missouri, 1979-1980, page 1486.
see also....http://www.netstate.com/states/intro/mo_intro.htm (http://www.netstate.com/states/intro/mo_intro.htm)
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Missouri lol
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what's wrong with Missouri? I was raised there!!
New York is the "Big Apple", Alabama is the "Yellowhammer state", Alaska is the "Last Frontier", Virginia is the "Old Dominion", California is the "Arnold State", no, i mean the "Golden State". I bet a lot of guys here know what state is the "Constitution State". How about the "First State" or the "Sunshine State"? You get the idea.
hahaaahaa cool: just wordering.... ??? so what is Texas called? THE "ALF STATE" due to Mr.president G.bush (ignorant president of all times!)
< remember the show Alf > big eared...funny looking
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It's funny how the thread changes substance.
Anyhoot, The Lone Star State.....
A single star was part of the Long Expedition (1819), Austin Colony (1821) and several flags of the early Republic of Texas. Some say that the star represented the wish of many Texans to achieve statehood in the United States. Others say it originally represented Texas as the lone state of Mexico which was attempting to uphold its rights under the Mexican Constitution of 1824.
I remember Alf. I mainly remember he was some orange fur thing that I made a point of not watching. But, boy, he was marketable back then--he was on everything--even Alf underwear.
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Of all time? I dont know about that, I seem to recall a peanut farmer from Georgia that alot of folks dont like.
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I don't think Smiley from Plains ever lied to the American people though. I need some Billy beer. :D
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no... he just sold em out.... Hilbillary sure did lie...both of em. wow this thread has changed.
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I think we can close this topic now since it has when from the pledge, to religiion, to Missouri, to state mottos, to Alf (thanks okuma, not sure where that came from :D but it was funny) to politics to presidents...