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73-87 Chevy _ GMC Trucks => Fuel Systems and Drivability => Topic started by: 86swb on February 01, 2008, 08:11:41 pm
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Has any of you done anything to your truck to keep the side tanks from blowing up from a side impact? I know years agon GM got sued over this and paid out millions to owners. But most did nothing to fix this problem and just kept the money.
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I think Chris did a tank swap and moved it to the Rear of truck...U should be able to search for it or it might be in tech page
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I think you got swept up in the media hype. I have been t boned in the tank of one of these trucks. it ruptured but did not explode! I gashed one open on some rocks 4 wheeling, it didn't explode! A bunch of poppycock!!!!!!!
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You could move your tanks to the inside of the frame rails (more accurately, convert to a blazer tank) if you worry about it, but I've seen several ford trucks with tanks inside the frame rails that have burned up from fuel leaks dripping on the exhaust..Some day I'm going to be swapping in polyethylene tanks, one to replace my drivers metal one and one to install on the passenger side from scratch...My hitch and the fact that I actually use my bed would interfere with putting a blazer tank or fuel cell between the frame rails anyway. I agree with Blazin, its really not as big a risk as they try to make it sound like..you can fire tracer rounds through a closed fuel tank without it "exploding", so I doubt a side impact crash is going to set one off..
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I recievied several letters from GM on this subject. They did not send money, they wanted you to trade in the truck on a new one( i think is was $2000 off a new one that was already too much to begin with) They can have my truck when I die if my kids don't want it. I too have been hit in the side of these trucks and never had a leak. Like Blazin said, a bunch of media hype. You can make anything explode if you hit it enough times
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Yes it was a hyped up media load of crap and my advice is if you are really worried about it don't own one of these trucks. There's nothing safe about these trucks remotely in comparisson to any modern vehicle. The GM offer was $1000 towards the purchase of a new truck plus give them your truck. I took it as an insult and wiped my butt with the letter.
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I know an older guy that took the $1000 and bought a new truck. It took the dealer two and a half years to come get his old one! his lawyer had to right them a letter and threaten storage fees. I tried and tried to buy it so they wouldn't have to worry about picking it up. " Nope it has to go to the crusher ". a month after they finally came and got it one of their mechanics was driving it around! I asked him how he got it. He said the day they towed it in he went into the sales dept. and plopped $100 down for it, they sold it to him!
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Yes it was a hyped up media load of crap and my advice is if you are really worried about it don't own one of these trucks. There's nothing safe about these trucks remotely in comparisson to any modern vehicle. The GM offer was $1000 towards the purchase of a new truck plus give them your truck. I took it as an insult and wiped my butt with the letter.
Yep and Dateline NBC actually wound up owing GM a Public apology for rigging their Televised Crash Tests, to make the Tanks Explode more dramatically(IE strapping Explosives to the tanks to make them Explode, and to make the Explotion Larger for the camera)... GM also won a Lawsuit afterwards as well..
NY Times NBC Settles Lawsuit(2 Pages):
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6DD173BF933A25751C0A965958260
Personally, I'm not a fan of any News Stories beyond Local and Weather Reports, just got tired of all of the Crap that the Media puts out....
If you want to be paranoid about the Car or Truck you drive, that's Completely understandable, but don't always believe the Hype just because some Supposed News Agency Reported on it...
heck I like living on the edge, I drive a Truck that has dual mounted Gas Tanks that have been proven to explode if you strap rockets to them... I also drive an Ex-Police Cruiser(Chevy Caprice) that has a Rear Mounted HDPE Gas Tank, that have been proven by the Florida State Patrol to possibly leak, and Explode while Im sitting at a Stop Sign/Light, after being hit by another Car/Truck doing 70-90Mph when they hit me :o I guess maybe I was subjected to too many Evel Knievel Specials when I was growing up, so I too like things that Burst in to Flames, or Make Me Go Boom ;D Ha! Boomer Kienvel reporting for Duty!! 8)
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The whole exploding tanks it a bunch of garbage. I won't get on my soap box, but there is nothing wrong with them. Now if you were like the trial that started it where a train struck the truck (yes Locomotive) and drug it over a mile with the brakes on and the floorboard was squished to no more than 12" wide, then I would be worried about it catching fire, but the initial impact of where the drivers head hit the train is what killed him...
I moved my tank for better weight transfer. It can be found here:
http://www.captkaoscustoms.com/blazertank.html
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I don't like saddle tanks either, but for convenience reasons. But, as far as them blowing up, any car or truck can do that if its nearly empty (full of vapors) and struck hard enough or if it leaks and a spark is introduced. Besides, they're a better option than mounting the tank in the cab. And Vile makes another good point, these truck aren't that safe when hit from any angle (ever ask yourself why these trucks are so light when compared to a late model). Safety has never been GM's first priority. If you are worried and want to keep your truck you could put in a full roll cage and switch to a Fuel-Safe fuel cell (mounted in the rear for better weight distribution).
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OK, thanks. Was just wondering. Well, I do feel better. I just had a guy tell me that these old trucks can explode when hit from the side and blow up and that just got me thinking. Thanks for the info. I will not worry about this any more. I carry my kids, grandkids and my wife it my truck at times and wanted to hear from you guys on this and glad I asked.
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The old guy probably drives a Pinto hatchback!
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The old guy probably drives a Pinto hatchback!
LOL, now that's a death-trap. And not even a good looking one.
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i remember as a kid ABC World News had video of a Pinto getting hit in the rear by a bus or something and it blew up. It was during this big story on how they were death traps and Ford new they could blow up when rearended, etc. etc.!
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I remember a joke on some show where they had this guy who was having a bad day all morning and he finally makes it out of the house, then they show him in traffic and he is happy to be out of the house, they pan out and he is behind a pinto and infront of an Audi....
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i remember as a kid ABC World News had video of a Pinto getting hit in the rear by a bus or something and it blew up. It was during this big story on how they were death traps and Ford new they could blow up when rearended, etc. etc.!
Yep and the Easiest fix that was done to the cars to make them safer??? Replace the Cardboard shielding behind the rear seat, with a piece of Sheetmetal(during a rear end impact, the sheetmetal acts as slight barrier, and it also removes one more flammable piece)!!! GM did the samething with their Vega's and Monza's, along with Chrysler doing it to their Compact Versions(Just an Easy No Hassle NHTSA aproved fix)...
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Interesting article word for word from the April 1993 issue of MOTOR magazine, page 4, titled Editor's Report; written by Wade Hoyt.
What are your chances of meeting a fiery death in a GM pickup? About the same as getting the truth from a network TV news show.
By now you've probably read something about the way General Motors forced NBC News to make the embarrassing confession that they had faked a news report about fire hazards in GM pickup trucks. There was a lot more to the story than met the eye. It involved not only a multimillion dollar game of "chicken" between two of America's biggest corporations, but also intrigue, deceit, phone tips, private eyes and an attempt by groups of ambulance-chasing lawyers to rig the news and flim-flam potential jurors.
The whole sordid story revolves around a very serious issue: The safety of 5 million full-size 1973-87 Chevy and GMC pickup trucks and their "sidesaddle" gas tanks, which are mounted outside the frame rails, under the cab. Critics say the tanks are prone to burst in a side impact and cause a fire. NHTSA has opened an investigation that could lead to a billion-dollar recall. GM has statistics to show that their trucks met all safety standards of those years, are as safe as any other full-size pickups and are safer than many smaller trucks and cars.
Back on Nov. 17, 1992, the Dateline NBC news show aired a 16 ½-minute report on the GM pickups called "Waiting to Explode?" A minute-long video clip showed two crash demonstrations between cars and pickups, staged some three weeks earlier on a deserted Indiana road. In one crash at a claimed 30 mph, the '77 Chevy pickup burst into a dramitic fireball. NBC claimed that the gas tank had burst and the explosion was triggered by a headlight filament in the Citation crash car.
GM engineers were immediately suspicious. Their own tests showed that the gas tanks on these older C- and K-series trucks could survive crashes at much higher speeds without leaking. A frame-by-frame analysis of the video by GM's Hughes Aircraft division reveled a crash speed of at least 39 mph. (In a second staged crash at a claimed 40 mph--GM calculated it at 47+ mph--there was no fire or visible fuel spillage.)
GM asked NBC if it could examine the crashed trucks. The Dateline producer said they'd been junked and were "no longer available for inspection."
While the corporate giants were fencing, Popular Hot Rodding magazine wrote an editorial criticizing the show. A reader from Indiana called Editor Pete Pesterre and told him that local firemen had also videotaped the crashes, and that the fire had been rigged. Pesterre--the proud owner of four GM pickups--tracked down the local fire chief in Brownsburg, Indiana, and put him in touch with GM.
GM sent private investigators to scour junkyards in the surrounding area. At the 22nd junkyard they visited, they found the four crashed vehicles and bought them for $400. But the gas tanks had been removed from the trucks!
Now the plot thickened. A spent model rocket engine was found in the bed of the slightly burned pickup. Duct tape was found on the frames of both trucks. Brownsburg fireman said that four to six model rocket engines had been taped to the truck frames and detonated by remote control just before impact in an attempt to trigger fires. The gas tanks were filled to the brim. The previous owner of the '77 truck told GM he'd lost the original gas cap and had to bend its replacement to make it fit.
In the 39-mph crash, the ill-fitting filler cap flew off, gas sloshed out and was ignited by the sparking rocket engines. A dramatic fireball followed, but burned out--mainly on the ground--in about 15 seconds. Fireman could be heard on their video tape laughing about the puny fire, one saying, "So much for that theory!"
The TV crew then ran a second crash at 47 mph in an attempt to get a bigger explosion. But the 1980 Chevy pickup, this one with the OE gas cap, spilled no gas and would not ignite, despite the incendiary rocket engines along its frame.
These movie stunt crashes were staged for NBC by Bruce Enz and a crew from an outfit grandly called The Institute for Safety Analysis (TISA). Byron Bloch, a self-styled industrial engineer, served as an "on-air expert" during the Dateline broadcast. Neither man has an engineering or technical degree. Both earn their livings as paid professional witnesses against auto companies in lawsuits. TISA was recommended to NBC by the Institute for Injury Reduction (IIR), a group funded by trial lawyers. After the Dateline show, IIR sent a letter out to its lawyer/supporters asking for $7000 to pay TISA to make another crash video "for....litigation use," using a GM pickup "with a modified design further enhancing the likelihood of a...fire."
The missing gas tanks were eventually recovered from a junk heap on the property of Bruce Enz's neighbor. Tests, including x-rays, showed no punctures in the dented tanks.
All this prompted GM to file the first defamation lawsuit in its history, charging NBC and TISA with "outrageous misrepresentation and conscious deception." The car company's top lawyer stated that "GM now faces a poisoned environment spawned by the cheap, dishonest sensationalism by NBC."
Just six weeks after the Dateline broadcast, a jury trial began in Atlanta that would eventually award $105 million to the parents of a teenager who died in a tragic, fiery accident in a GM pickup. His truck had been T-boned by a drunk driver going over 70 mph, a speed that involves much more energy than a 39- or 47-mph impact. (Energy increases with the square of the speed.)
The day after GM announced its suit and publicly displayed its evidence, NBC caved in. They aired a lengthy retraction and apology on the February 9th Dateline show and agreed to reimburse GM for the estimated $2 million it spent on its investigation.
The sad part about the whole affair is that the rigged demonstration was totally unnecessary. It added no new information to the Dateline report, but was simply an attempt to "hype" the news with a sensational visual. This is what happens when news broadcasting crosses the line between journalism and entertainment. Sensational "tabloid news" shows such as 20/20, 60 Minutes, Inside Edition, Prime Time Live, Hard Copy, A Current Affair and others are the journalistic equivalent of trash sports. They don't do interviews, but muggings.
Because I like to think of myself as a journalist (as does the rest of the MOTOR staff), I'm as embarrassed and angered by this blot on my profession as you must be every time you hear a story about dishonest mechanics. Hopefully, GM's exposing of NBC's slimeball tactics will make other networks think twice (and check twice) before accepting prepackaged footage from self-styled "experts." If the current sleazy trend in news reporting is not reversed, they rest of us will be ashamed to tell our mothers what we do for a living.
In his New York magazine column, Christopher Byron charged that NBC, in its confession, "was simple fessing up to something that TV news departments have done for years: using fake news footage-and prepackaged 'stories'-supplied free of charge by ax-grinding PR firms and consumer advocacy groups to push particular points of view under the guise of objective news."
For example the CBS Evening News broadcast an IIR report in June '91 about seat belt buckles that could spring open with a light tap. A NHTSA investigation of the alleged problem was recently called a total waste of time and money by former NHTSA chief Marion Blakey.
And 60 Minutes' now-infamous accusations of unintended acceleration in Audis were supported by an ersatz demonstration in which three pressure relief valves in the automatic transmission were disabled and hydraulic pressures were tripled by an external compressor. The US, Canadian and Japanese governments spent untold sums investigating the charges. All three governments decided the charges were baseless. But Audi sales still haven't recovered.
Many of today's so-called journalists have become so lazy about checking their facts that we've had to come up with a new term for those who actually do their own research-they're now called "investigative reporters." Broadcast greats like Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite would be appalled by what passes for "news" today. In this sorry episode, a car company did a better job of reporting than a major news network!
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1993/05/31/77909/index.htm
http://walterolson.com/articles/wpexperts.html
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Great read. But the damage was still done. People believe what they want to believe!!!
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*sigh* just like the ford bronco II "roll over" hyper nothing but news mass media hype crap. :( is why I as owners of the cars what hey like and look at junkyards and such when I buy new cars.
Mariah
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dont forget about the ford exploders
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now I have had a xloder go boom! them a4ld trans stink! :P for the life of me I tryed to flip my 85 BII and could never do it. 31in tires and 2in lift and that thing was great trail rig lol. but my bother rolls a stock ranger 0o lol
mariah
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i think i got one of them exploders from right about them years. the independent rear makes it fun to pass a big truck on the highway when I'm pulling a trailer because i can feel it swaying back and forth.