Author Topic: Disappointing news  (Read 30966 times)

Offline 1979C20

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1659
  • Kyle Taulton.
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2011, 08:36:13 pm »
Irish, just like bobcooter said, they shortened the yellow lights. I was just before the first white line that is before the crosswalk qhen the light turned yellow. I sped up and the light turned red as soon as I got through the other side of the intersection.
1979 SCLB C20 Q-jet 350 SM465 14b F.F. 4.10 G80
1989 GMC Suburban V2500 TBI350 TH400 4in lift 35's 14b SF

Offline bobcooter

  • Junior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 788
  • 1979 Scottsdale C-20
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2011, 08:48:12 pm »
The short yellow lights increase profits$$$$$
'79 C-20, 350/400, 3:73 gears, 9 leafs and a headache rack
Favorite Quote, "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from poor judgement."

Offline 69byrd

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1167
  • Haulin!
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2011, 09:45:53 pm »
The short yellows have caused many wrecks in my town. People slam on the breaks to avoid a ticket and they get rear ended.
84 C-10 Stepside       
54 Chevy Truck
Gotta Love Those Stepsides!
http://s493.photobucket.com/albums/rr299/69byrd/?start=all

Offline Irish_Alley

  • Tim
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13333
  • Family is not an important thing. It's everything.
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2011, 09:53:16 pm »
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ i thought it was used by all states all ready. but what this means is that there is set times between 3-6 sec depending on location of the light to turn
If you can’t tell yourself the truth, who can you tell it to?~Irish_Alley

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth ~Sherlock Holmes

Offline Irish_Alley

  • Tim
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13333
  • Family is not an important thing. It's everything.
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2011, 09:56:37 pm »
If you can’t tell yourself the truth, who can you tell it to?~Irish_Alley

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth ~Sherlock Holmes

Offline Irish_Alley

  • Tim
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13333
  • Family is not an important thing. It's everything.
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2011, 12:09:15 am »
if you where that close to the line as long as your front tires make it over the line before the light turns red your good. thats why when they send you a pic of the infractions its two pictures well three if you count the close up on your plate. but the first one is your of your tires before the line when the light is red and the second is you in the middle of the intersection with the light still red. Around here there was a cop who would trip the lights just to get people to run red light then give them a ticket he got fired cause he all ready had one warning about this. dont get me wrong im not trying to chew you out for this just trying to inform you of what is acceptable when it comes to red lights. and if you can prove that the light is shorten they will fix it. i think even if the town/city doesn’t follow the ite rules they have to all be the same i.e. if one light is a 25mph zone and it gives you 3 sec to cross then a identical light has to be the same duration, not shorter or longer if its 2.8 seconds instead of the 3 then they have to fix it
If you can’t tell yourself the truth, who can you tell it to?~Irish_Alley

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth ~Sherlock Holmes

Offline Irish_Alley

  • Tim
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13333
  • Family is not an important thing. It's everything.
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2011, 12:13:08 am »
The short yellows have caused many wrecks in my town. People slam on the breaks to avoid a ticket and they get rear ended.
there are studies on red light cameras that say side impacts have decreased in these zones but rear ends increase, so it was still about the same amount of accidents but they just swapped places. i hate them for a couple reasons one you dont have to be driving to get the ticket and another they dont pull you over right then to see whats wrong or why you ran it. then you also have to deal with the people who just see money signs
If you can’t tell yourself the truth, who can you tell it to?~Irish_Alley

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth ~Sherlock Holmes

Offline Brady

  • Newbie
  • Posts: 36
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2011, 02:33:28 pm »
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ i thought it was used by all states all ready. but what this means is that there is set times between 3-6 sec depending on location of the light to turn

Thanks for the link.  I found this:

"Standard:
08 The duration of the steady yellow change interval shall be determined using engineering practices.
Guidance:
09 The steady yellow change interval should have a minimum duration of 3 seconds and a maximum duration of
6 seconds (see Section 4D.26). The longer intervals should be reserved for use on approaches with higher speeds."

That leaves it pretty open, but it should never be less than 3 seconds.

Offline Edahall

  • Frequent Member
  • **
  • Posts: 311
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2011, 03:10:28 pm »
I used to live an area with red light cameras.  I always dreaded going through those intersections because I knew that the duration was a lot less.  What I would do was proceed slowly usually 5-10 mph under the speed limit but have one foot on the brake and one foot on the gas pedal.  When I would get close to the intersection, I would either floor it or slam on the brakes.  There were several times where I had to stop so fast that I locked up all 4 wheels and came to a screeching halt.  A red light ticket was over $400 in my area so I didn't worry about wasting extra fuel or wearing out my tires faster.  Anyways, I'm glad to move out of that area.  The police would ignore the illegals but give people tickets if they parked their car on the side of the road and their tire happened to go flat over night.
1990 ¾ ton 4x4 Chevy Suburban
-Cummins Diesel - 12 valve - factory rebuilt
-6 speed bullet proof manual transmission - NV5600
-Gear Vendors Overdrive
-Upgraded Holset HX-35 turbo
-NP205 iron transfer case
-3.73 gears
-2" Lift

Offline beastie_3

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3170
  • Josh
    • My truck pics
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2011, 04:06:32 pm »
short lights are unlawful and anyone who receives a ticket for running a red light can be exempt from it if they can prove it is too short. there is a correlation to how long the light has to stay yellow and the speed limit of that section of road.

Offline Irish_Alley

  • Tim
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13333
  • Family is not an important thing. It's everything.
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2011, 03:33:42 am »
this is the "engineering methods "
In the current edition of ITE's Traffic Engineering Handbook (44), a standard kinematic equation is provided as a method to calculate the change interval length. The equation for calculating the change period, CP, is as follows:

The principal factors that are taken into account in the development of the change period are:

Perception-reaction time of the motorist, t, typically 1 sec.;
Speed of the approaching vehicle, V, expressed in ft./sec.;
Comfortable deceleration rate of the vehicle, a, typically 10 ft./sec.2;
Width of the intersection, W;
Length of vehicle, L, typically 20 ft.; and
Grade of the intersection approach, g, in percent divided by 100 (downhill is negative).
The equation allows time for the motorist to see the yellow signal indication and decide whether to stop or to enter the intersection. This time is the motorist's perception-reaction time, generally 1 sec. It then provides time for motorists further away from the signal to decelerate comfortably and motorists closer to the signal to continue through to the far side of the intersection. These times are dependent on the characteristics of the traffic and the roadway environment. If there is a grade on the approach to the intersection, the equation adjusts the time needed for the vehicle to decelerate.





this is from the fhwa's rules and regulations
The FHWA also proposed in the NPA
to revise the second STANDARD
statement to indicate that the durations
of the yellow change interval and, when
used, the red clearance interval, shall be
determined using engineering practices,
and also proposed to add a new
SUPPORT statement to indicate that
engineering practices for determining
the durations of these intervals can be
found in two publications from the ITE.
The FHWA proposed this to enhance
safety at signalized intersections by
requiring that accepted engineering
methods be used to determine the
durations of these critical intervals
rather than random or ‘‘rule of thumb’’
settings, and by recommending the
provision of a red clearance interval
when such accepted engineering
practices indicate that a red clearance
interval is needed. As documented in
the FHWA report ‘‘Signalized
Intersections: Informational Guide,’’ 171
a variety of studies from 1985 through
2002 have found significant safety
benefits from using accepted
engineering practices to determine the
durations of yellow change and red
clearance intervals. Recent safety
studies 172 have further documented
significant major reductions in crashes
when jurisdictions have revised the
durations of the yellow change and red
clearance intervals using the accepted
engineering practices. A State DOT and
two local DOTs opposed the revision
because their agencies have other
methods for calculating red intervals
and do not believe the ITE methods to
be superior. The FHWA disagrees
because the studies have shown
significant safety benefits when red
clearance times are provided per the ITE
methods and therefore, adopts in this
final rule the language as proposed in
the NPA

heres the pdf on the rules and reg and the time duration can be found on page 91http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-28322.pdf
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 03:37:00 am by Irish_Alley »
If you can’t tell yourself the truth, who can you tell it to?~Irish_Alley

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth ~Sherlock Holmes

Offline 1979C20

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1659
  • Kyle Taulton.
Freedom!
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2011, 06:19:48 am »
Finally! Im not trapped at home anymore!! I just got done reinstating my license online. I have a conformation number saved in my phone, so if I end.up getting pulled over I have proof that it was reinstated. And ill be getting a new license in the mail wothing I business days. It cost 35 follars to reinstate it. And my dad put insurance on it last night. My registrations up at the end of this month though. But, its only 20 dollars a year, and my insurance is only 20 dollars a month. I can finally go back to work now, so ill renew my reg this week. Then, I get to mob around town and scare people with my home made train horns! Ill make a post/how to on those as well.
1979 SCLB C20 Q-jet 350 SM465 14b F.F. 4.10 G80
1989 GMC Suburban V2500 TBI350 TH400 4in lift 35's 14b SF

Offline beastie_3

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3170
  • Josh
    • My truck pics
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2011, 07:35:57 pm »
Then, I get to mob around town and scare people with my home made train horns!

Let me know how much THAT ticket is

Offline bake74

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5871
    • Build Thread
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2011, 07:37:53 pm »
     I am with beastie, I would think since it was a pain to get your license back you would be careful not to loose it again right away.
#1: The easiest and most obvious solution to any problem is 99% of the time correct.
#2: There is no such thing as impossible, it just takes longer.
  74 k10, 77k10    Tom

Offline Irish_Alley

  • Tim
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13333
  • Family is not an important thing. It's everything.
Re: Disappointing news
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2011, 07:53:51 pm »
screw it its only another ticket
If you can’t tell yourself the truth, who can you tell it to?~Irish_Alley

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth ~Sherlock Holmes