Saggy pants laws----WRONG!

[Stewart G Griffin]

So I take it some of you have never gone to the beach. If you can't look at someone and get a laugh out of it then YOU are the one with the problem. I've been in education for 10 years now and I'll tell you I see every trend their is. In school they have to pull their pants up and tuck their shirts in but the minute they walk out that door if they want to paint themselves green and dress like Tarzan that's their business. The day you allow the governement to tell you how to dress is the day you are giving up your freedom.

Exactamundo 2!

1)  It's okay to breast feed in public (i actually agree with this one), yet the pants thing is not ok......?

a) Based on the limited research i've done, indecent exposure means the private areas are exposed.  As well as intent---(there is none because nothing is being exposed to begin with.)   Again, i say nothing is being exposed here.  (yes, i briefly checked va as well.  Would the good sgt. be so kind as to furnish the exact va written law if possible?)

b) If they had to come up with a totally new law vs. just applying the indecent exposure laws then this further proves the point---because they can't apply the indecent exposure laws.



2) Now about the "racist" thing that i brought up.   This is predominately practiced and started by mainly Black guys.  i don't think we can really debate that point.  And yes, i understand and observe that not everyone that does this is Black.  

i'm telling you this is wrong, wrong WRONG!

[Lt.Del]

Would the good sgt. be so kind as to furnish the exact va written law if possible?)

b) If they had to come up with a totally new law vs. just applying the indecent exposure laws then this further proves the point---because they can't apply the indecent exposure laws.

I said put it to the ballot.  There are jurisdictions all around adding these laws to the book.  I'd love to see that added to the books where I happen to walk around.  What good use comes from wearing pants around your knees and displaying undergarments as a common practice?
This is my opinion.  We all have opinions.  When you have small kids of your own that you try to teach and protect them from, well, I'm just saying a person out in public should not have to be exposed to that if they choose not to. That's all.  I am also against people begging for money.  When I go down main street and sitting at a red light, I don't want someone talking to me through my window when I don't want to talk to them.  There are more social programs  out there than there ever have been taking up our tax money yet people give money to these non-taxpaying leeches who never finished 9th grade and have made bad decisions throughout their lives.
Just saying.
   

[topp]

Simply put, your rights end where my rights begin.

I have the right to walk down the street and NOT be offended by someone else showing their ass covered in boxers.
I have the right to walk down the street and NOT be in fear of a "thug".

Nursing in public- NATURAL and HEALTHY for a baby.

A picture on a billboard I can choose to not look at, but a moron in line in front of me with his butt out I have no choice....

Indecency is defined by the PEOPLE in the community.....  Laws are crafted from those who are involved in the communities politics....

[VileZambonie]

So a new neighbor moves in down the street, you see him getting the mail, he has his baggy pants on and his cap sideways. He listens to rap with the loudness booming. You go over to his house to tell him to shut his crappy music off and pull his pants up and to call him a thug right to his punk face when you realize the crappy music is coming from his truck while his boxers are showing as he's leaning over the fender of his 73 Chevy Blazer giving it a tune up. Maybe that's when you realize this is just a person much like you but just doesn't look like you or act like you. When you were a teen did your momma dress you? Did everyone approve of what you looked like/dressed like? If everyone acted the same and looked the same we'd be in Hitler's dream world.

[mats1985gmc]

So a new neighbor moves in down the street, you see him getting the mail, he has his baggy pants on and his cap sideways. He listens to rap with the loudness booming. You go over to his house to tell him to shut his crappy music off and pull his pants up and to call him a thug right to his punk face when you realize the crappy music is coming from his truck while his boxers are showing as he's leaning over the fender of his 73 Chevy Blazer giving it a tune up. Maybe that's when you realize this is just a person much like you but just doesn't look like you or act like you. When you were a teen did your momma dress you? Did everyone approve of what you looked like/dressed like? If everyone acted the same and looked the same we'd be in Hitler's dream world.

amen

[Blazin]

I tell him nice truck, pul up your dang pants boy!

[VileZambonie]

And what do you think he'd say to you?

[bake74]

     Every one has free agency, but at the same time unless you live out in the country, you live in a community.  For a community to survive there has to be some sort of standards or it would be anarchy.  Now there is laws about indecent exposure to protect those who can not protect themselves.  Baggy pants, ( though I hate it and think it is retarded ) does not hurt anyone, so if they want to wear them nobody has the right ( unless you own a business and they want to come in ) to tell them they can not wear their pants like that.
     The music on the other hand I am pretty sure most towns and cities have a decibel level that you are not to exceed ( though rarely enforced ), I think on a moral standing, people have relaxed way too much and this is but 1 of the side effects of a society that has strayed away from a base that the majority of people would have frowned on wearing baggy pants and it would have never taken off in the first place.
     I guess what I am saying is that instead of blaming the person wearing the baggy pants, look around and blame everyone else for letting it take off and continue.

[Blazin]

He would either lump it or tell me to go fly a kite! Either way he would know where I stand!

[thirsty]

It's not the clothing that is the real issue, it's the attitude that most baggers have. If you dress and look like a punk then people are going to think you are a punk regardless of what you are really like. Personally I would like to see the pants pulled up. It's just a bad phase that has gone on longer than it should have (like square bodies painted neon colors years ago). In my location we don't have nearly as many of these guys as most of the other members, they look out of place and foolish around here. Although my daughter still laughs about me meeting one of her H.S. boyfriends for the first time on my porch dressed like that. He comes up to me and says "suuuppp" and tries to shake my hand like a gangsta. I'm dressed in logging boots, jeans, flannel shirt, camo hat drinking a Mich light after working all day and say "What??" So he says it again louder like I didn't hear him. I say "What??" again. He just stands there and waits for my daughter, maybe feeling a little tension. She comes out and is ready to go and I tell her I haven't met your date yet. He finally gets it, takes off his hat, shakes my hand like a man, and speaks normal. I knew she wouldn't date a punk and I wanted to meet the real boyfriend not what he was pretending to be.

[Grim 82]

This is not about fashion or indecent exposure. This is about passing a law that gives a little bit of probable cause for the police to question people that dress like the majority of people comitting crimes, without the probability of getting sued for harassment. If most criminals have saggy pants, then it makes sense to look at people with saggy pants as a possible threat. You know, the same way that if you get on a plane, chances are it's not an 80 year old grandma that gives you a bad feeling about it, but maybe the 3 middle eastern guys yammering in arabic that makes your situational awareness flare up. The government doesn't need to stick their nose in any of this, but it's common sense, which has gone out the window for the sake of being politically correct as to not offend anybody. It's not racist or "profiling" to say that if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck,there's a chance that it could be a duck.

The day you allow the governement to tell you how to dress is the day you are giving up your freedom.

^this. It's a slippery slope. But in this case there are underlying themes that have nothing to do with how you dress.

Sgt Del, this is not a democracy. This is a Constitutional Republic.

[topp]

So a new neighbor moves in down the street, you see him getting the mail, he has his baggy pants on and his cap sideways. He listens to rap with the loudness booming. You go over to his house to tell him to shut his crappy music off and pull his pants up and to call him a thug right to his punk face when you realize the crappy music is coming from his truck while his boxers are showing as he's leaning over the fender of his 73 Chevy Blazer giving it a tune up. Maybe that's when you realize this is just a person much like you but just doesn't look like you or act like you. When you were a teen did your momma dress you? Did everyone approve of what you looked like/dressed like? If everyone acted the same and looked the same we'd be in Hitler's dream world.

I call the cops and they cite him for noise level violations (Community standards set in law) and indecent exposure (Community standards set in law).  
That is what the law is for, to protect the quality of life the community has. If he wants to wear his pants around his knees, and show off his  in boxers, he can live elsewhere.  That is what EVERY community has the RIGHT to do.....



Doesn't matter if he's white, black or purple. It has to do with the fact I have a right to participate in a community where standards are set, and where a lifestyle of MY choosing is supported in law.

I guess you'd find it OK to let a person live next to you that walked [edited for language, you guys know better -admin] because he has the right to free speech and freedom to express himself..  I bet in that case you'd have an issue as it goes against YOUR standards....

[69byrd]

The government doesn't need to stick their nose in any of this, but it's common sense, which has gone out the window for the sake of being politically correct as to not offend anybody. It's not racist or "profiling" to say that if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck,there's a chance that it could be a duck.

Amen that is the problem everyone is to worried about being politically correct!!  

[Irish_Alley]

Most of you are saying that its wrong to see a guys boxers cause of his pants being too low but about the Vitoria’s secret adds like vile said they are all over bust stops and so on. If someone is caught urinating in public it’s a sex crime yet someone can breast feed and its ok. How can this be fair? Now if nothing is seen then no crime so how can seeing someone’s boxers a crime. Now me I love my wranglers and love them to be worn with a belt and tight. My brother is a jar head he wears his pants without a belt and every now and then you can see his boxers is this wrong. I mean how it can be wrong when he served on the front lines to protect our freedom. Its his freedom to decide not to wear a belt the same freedom he fought for. Now if someones pants sagging is a sign of a thug and intimidates you. Then hes doing what he wants. And if that’s the only thing that scares you wouldn’t you want to know that he is who who is and not dressed just like you. If you base a person on how they dress and want everyone to dress like you then your new found “friend” who looks like you is now steeling your truck cause you are his friend and you left your wallet and keys on the kitchen counter. I got sad new for you the guys who fought for our freedom don’t all drive trucks wear wranglers ,wear a belt or listen to country. Now to say its ok for them to look and dress like that cause they served but its not ok for a neighbor to dress like that cause they didn’t serve. Whats wrong with that picture

[69byrd]

Now if someones pants sagging is a sign of a thug and intimidates you. Then hes doing what he wants.

How can anyone be intimidated by someome who dresses like a clown!