Removal of front drive shaft

[qboy]

Sorry for the error on my part.  I do appreciate all the input and hope I didn't start WWIII.

Anyway.
Now that there's no driveshaft connected to the front, I'm thinking of getting this front hub conversion:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MMK%2D502&N=700+4294908171+4294908163+4294925067+4294843457+115&autoview=sku

1) What's involved in putting this on?
2) Will I be able to feel the difference due to less resistance?
3) Is my transfer case ok driving around all the time locked?

[nova801428]

That's alright.  I am rarely right and when I am I have to take advantage of it

Sorry, I can't answer your questions.

[Fordeatinz71]

Not really.  Since I do have a 75 and a NP203...it was very likely he had a np203 since he ALSO had a 75 too...not luck...I just knew what I was talking about.  I didn't think the poster really knew what his transfer case was since he obviously doesn't use it.  But obviously it was pure luck...and I don't know anything.  I must have an a4ld behind my 360 chevy with an np208 t-case, a 9 inch front axle with a dana 44 rear.   

No you were wrong because you thought he had a full time when he stated that he had 4L, N, 2H, 4H, but he gave the wrong information so it turns out he had a NP203

No, I knew he had a full-time.  Wasn't my fault he forgot or never used his 4wd. 

i realize you were trying to be funny and make up parts that don't exist, but the NP208 t-case does exist, it came in the '83-'87 trucks...

[Fordeatinz71]

Sorry for the error on my part.  I do appreciate all the input and hope I didn't start WWIII.

Anyway.
Now that there's no driveshaft connected to the front, I'm thinking of getting this front hub conversion:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MMK%2D502&N=700+4294908171+4294908163+4294925067+4294843457+115&autoview=sku

1) What's involved in putting this on?
2) Will I be able to feel the difference due to less resistance?
3) Is my transfer case ok driving around all the time locked?

ok, i'll field these questions.  as for whats involved in putting them on, Milemarker has pretty detailed instructions but here's an article talking about what's involved in doing the WHOLE part-time conversion, to include the hubs...http://coloradok5.com/milemarkerpt.shtml

as to your second question, yea, you might feel some less resistance after you install the hubs, because there will be less rotating mass.  you will only have your wheels rolling on the spindles, versus your axleshafts/ring/pinion spinning.

yea, your t-case should be fine driving around in Loc mode all the time.  normally i'd give a resounding heck NO, but because you have the driveshaft dropped you are fine because you are putting no stress on the diff...

[qboy]

Nice article.   I'll probably drive around as is for now.    Later, when I save a little more money, I'll have 3.08 gears in the front and have the driveshaft put back in.

[nova801428]

Not really.  Since I do have a 75 and a NP203...it was very likely he had a np203 since he ALSO had a 75 too...not luck...I just knew what I was talking about.  I didn't think the poster really knew what his transfer case was since he obviously doesn't use it.  But obviously it was pure luck...and I don't know anything.  I must have an a4ld behind my 360 chevy with an np208 t-case, a 9 inch front axle with a dana 44 rear.   

No you were wrong because you thought he had a full time when he stated that he had 4L, N, 2H, 4H, but he gave the wrong information so it turns out he had a NP203

No, I knew he had a full-time.  Wasn't my fault he forgot or never used his 4wd. 

i realize you were trying to be funny and make up parts that don't exist, but the NP208 t-case does exist, it came in the '83-'87 trucks...

All of those parts exist.  Just not in the right place.  a4ld - Crappy ford ranger early auto tranny  360 - actually a mopar or dodge  np208 - a transfer case  9 inch - actually a rear axle not a front  dana 44 - actually a front not a rear.

[76_Scottsdale]

No, I knew he had a full-time.  Wasn't my fault he forgot or never used his 4wd. 

Just because it is a 75 doesn't mean it had an NP203. You KNEW he had full time? What are you psychic?  Because with the information he gave clearly gave the impression a part-time was present. Don't try to act all cool because you were wrong with the information that was presented. There's no need to bash the poster either. qboy, next time just be sure of the information posted so that good advice can be given. As far as a part-time kit goes, that kit looks just fine. Warn also makes one it's just a personal preference. These aren't extremely hard to put on, but require a few special tools, snap ring pliers, axle nut socket, so on. Like said, it should feel like less resistance, and will prolong the life of the front end. Just make sure to lock in the hubs and drive in 4 wheel drive every 100 or so miles to keep it all lubed up. (AFTER YOU CHANGE THE FRONT DIFFERENTIAL TO 3.08s)

AND

Dana 44s were used in the rears of Jeeps, they're not just front axles.

[nova801428]

No, I knew he had a full-time.  Wasn't my fault he forgot or never used his 4wd. 

Just because it is a 75 doesn't mean it had an NP203. You KNEW he had full time? What are you psychic?  Because with the information he gave clearly gave the impression a part-time was present. Don't try to act all cool because you were wrong with the information that was presented. There's no need to bash the poster either. qboy, next time just be sure of the information posted so that good advice can be given. As far as a part-time kit goes, that kit looks just fine. Warn also makes one it's just a personal preference. These aren't extremely hard to put on, but require a few special tools, snap ring pliers, axle nut socket, so on. Like said, it should feel like less resistance, and will prolong the life of the front end. Just make sure to lock in the hubs and drive in 4 wheel drive every 100 or so miles to keep it all lubed up. (AFTER YOU CHANGE THE FRONT DIFFERENTIAL TO 3.08s)

AND

Dana 44s were used in the rears of Jeeps, they're not just front axles.

How the Heck was I bashing him?  Sounds like you have some anger issues.  Don't know why you keep prolonging this.  Look, we were both wrong.  I admit it.  I could care less about arguing over the internet with someone I don't know or don't care about.  Arguing is what makes forums crappy.  I'm done.  Are you?

I don't care about Jeeps. 

[76_Scottsdale]

I accept your apology for being wrong and gloating. As far as this post goes, qboy, an important point I forgot to mention about a part-time conversion. After you swap the front end over to 3.08 and install locking-hubs, you will notice an extreme improvement in manueverability whilst turning sharply. No more wheel-hop as with the full-time 4 wheel drive. Then 4 wheel drive is 2 simple twists away. It's always better to have 4 wheel drive and not need it then to need 4 wheel drive and not have it.

[nova801428]

I have an interesting question.  I have used my 4wd before...but how do you shift into 4 wheel drive?  I usually put my truck into neutral.  Shut it off.  Move my transfer case lever into 4h or 4l and then move my selector in park and start it again...then I am in 4wd.  My brother also does this to his 94 toyota...and have seen my friend with a 95 toyota jam it into 4wd while moving.  Is that how I am supposed to do it? 

Sorry for thread jacking...but I just thought of it.  And, I don't use 4wd much...since I don't drive it much.
Thanks

[jonkmbll89]

I have an interesting question.  I have used my 4wd before...but how do you shift into 4 wheel drive?  I usually put my truck into neutral.  Shut it off.  Move my transfer case lever into 4h or 4l and then move my selector in park and start it again...then I am in 4wd.  My brother also does this to his 94 toyota...and have seen my friend with a 95 toyota jam it into 4wd while moving.  Is that how I am supposed to do it? 

Sorry for thread jacking...but I just thought of it.  And, I don't use 4wd much...since I don't drive it much.
Thanks

I think that it is just old and it is alittle warn out. My dad had 72 ford bronco and then he would put the lever into 4L he would had to hold it there then pot the throttle while in gear and the lever would pot into place. Over a period of time when he would get into a mud hole or try to climb a hill the 4L would pop out of gear. Instead of doing the right thing he just tie it to the dash. Know my brother also a 72 ford bronco and his shifted like a brand new truck. It would go into gear no matter what. He did not need a specail code to get it into gear.


As for the earlier thread I apologize we were both wright just had the wrong info..

[Fordeatinz71]

I have an interesting question.  I have used my 4wd before...but how do you shift into 4 wheel drive?  I usually put my truck into neutral.  Shut it off.  Move my transfer case lever into 4h or 4l and then move my selector in park and start it again...then I am in 4wd.  My brother also does this to his 94 toyota...and have seen my friend with a 95 toyota jam it into 4wd while moving.  Is that how I am supposed to do it? 

Sorry for thread jacking...but I just thought of it.  And, I don't use 4wd much...since I don't drive it much.
Thanks

ok, i'm gonna get a little "critical" here...everytime you start that truck and put it in gear, you are using 4wd...it is full-time 4wd.  you aren't ever going from "2hi" to 4wd.  now, with that being said, here's my personal experience as a mechanic and as someone who's owned a '75 K10 with F-T 4x4. 

first, let me say, YOU NEVER HAVE TO SHUT THE TRUCK OFF!  you start out in H (there's no 4 before it because it's all 4x4), which is your normal range.  when you need a LITTLE extra traction, you can throw it into H Loc, which will lock the center differential and make the t-case give a 50-50 power split, no matter what.  you can shift from H to H Loc at ANY speed.  i've done it before at over 75 mph...just to prove i could.  now, when you need to tow the truck, you can put it in N.  you only shift into N when the truck transmission is in N.  you also want to have your foot firmly on the brakes because even putting the transmission into P will NOT hold the truck, as the t-case is in N

when things get really bad, and you need more gear reduction, you can throw it into L Loc.  this shift can only be done with the transmission in N.  you don't have to shut off the truck to do this.

so as a recap, you never have to shut your truck off, neither does your brother.  the only time you need to put it in neutral is to go into N or L Loc.  same with your brother's Toyota.  2hi to 4hi can be done at any speed below 45-50, only need to go into N to put the t-case into N or to use 4Lo.  shutting it off does nothing, because when your tranny is in neutral, the engine is disconnected from the rest of the transmission and the t-case. 

[nova801428]

Alright.  Thanks.  I know my transfer case is always full-time...but it doesn't give power to the front wheels.  Yes and no...you can look at it differently.  I look at it as if it is always in 2wd and the everything in the front spins. 

I am glad I never have to shut the truck off.  But I think I will always put my truck in neutral before shifting from 2 or how everybody else calls it 4 to 4hi.  It does get annoying shutting it off.  We don't really need 4wd much with his truck...but I occasionally use it with mine.  Thanks for the help.

[qboy]

What I'm trying to find out now is what involved in putting on this hub kt?
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MMK%2D502&N=700+4294908171+4294908163+4294925067+4294843457+115&autoview=sku

[Fordeatinz71]

Alright.  Thanks.  I know my transfer case is always full-time...but it doesn't give power to the front wheels.  Yes and no...you can look at it differently.  I look at it as if it is always in 2wd and the everything in the front spins. 

I am glad I never have to shut the truck off.  But I think I will always put my truck in neutral before shifting from 2 or how everybody else calls it 4 to 4hi.  It does get annoying shutting it off.  We don't really need 4wd much with his truck...but I occasionally use it with mine.  Thanks for the help.

no, no, no, no...put your truck on jackstands, put it in gear.  all 4 wheels will turn.  it is always in 4wd.  forget about 2wd.  you don't have it.  your full-time t-case is basically a 3rd differential in your truck.  it just gives power to the path of least resistance when in H range and L range out of Lock mode.  it IS 4wd.  if your front driveshaft is spinning, and you aren't getting "power" at your front axle, then you have a problem in your front axle.