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General Site Info => General Discussion => Topic started by: 1979C20 on September 01, 2011, 12:33:50 am
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On June 28th I had my license suspended for 90 days because I had 2 moving violations before I was 18. Well, I turned 18 today and called the court to see if I could get my license back early. They said they had no record of it being suspended and to call DMV. I called DMV and they said the only way to get the auspension lifted is if the court exponges my record and my driving record. I called the court again and they said Arizona doesnt exponge records anymore. So im out of luck. And my license will still be suspended until September 28th.
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you could hire an attorney. They may advise whether they could get the courts to expunge your juvenile record....but, I'm sure your court date will be more than 30 days away.
I've never heard of juve driving records being expunged in VA. Your driving record stays with you. Can't hide from driving mistakes---insurance rates would be EXTREMELY high at that age and record. I've heard many, many times when young dependents have been dropped from family policies due to their record.
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In AZ, if youre under 18, after your permit you get a class G license, a Graduated license. And after you turn 18 you get a class D License, which is an actual Drivers license. With a class G, you have restrictions like these:
Graduated DRIVER LICENSE Requirements
* Teen must be at least 16 years old.
* Teen must hold the class G permit for at least six months.
* Teen must have completed 20 hours of supervised, behind-the-wheel daytime driving practice and 10 hours of supervised, behind the wheel nighttime driving practice–a total of 30 hours–before applying for graduated driver license.
* For the first six months, a teen with a graduated driver license cannot drive between the hours of midnight to 5:00am unless:
o A parent or legal guardian who has a valid driver license is sitting in the front passenger seat,
o The teen is driving to or from a sanctioned school sponsored activity, sanctioned religious activity, place of employment, or family emergency.
* Teen with a Graduated Driver License shall not drive a motor vehicle containing more than one passenger under the age of 18 on a public highway, unless:
o The passengers are the teen driver’s siblings or
o The teen driver is accompanied by a parent of legal guardian with a valid driver license and occupies the front passenger seat.
And with a Class D license, you have standard driving rules.
With a class G license, your record goes off of Violations. An with a class D license your record goes off of the points system. I'm going to go into the Mesa Municipal court some time this week and request a hearing with a judge and see what he has to say. I have had my class G license since Feb. 22 and I'm hoping that the judge will lift the suspension since I am now 18 and give me a stander drivers license that uses the points system, Even if my points from my 2 previous violations transfer to my license, I just want to be able to drive.
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at least its only 90 days. I lost mine once for more than a year when i was 19.. though i was going WAY too fast (think almost 100mph over the speed limit) in a 55 zone. for some reason they didnt arrest me. Im still surprised about that one.
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Wow. I almost got a felont speeding ticket at 17mph over. 62 in a 45 trying to avoid a red light flash ticket. I down shifted and sped up to make the light. But I guess my truck is too fast, it jumped 12mph through the intersection and I got a speeding ticket instead of a red light ticket. Which is why I lost my license.
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If you earned the punishment, be a man and accept the consequences for what you have done instead of looking for a loophole to get out of it. Whatever you do, don't drive while your license is suspended.
and Happy Birthday
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so im 18 and so far have a clean record havent even been pulled over but i know with my dually have a non weighted tag is gets looked at alot by cops had one follow my truck for 10 miles back roads so i think he was checking my vehicles background to be sure the tag was for the right vehicle
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If you earned the punishment, be a man and accept the consequences for what you have done instead of looking for a loophole to get out of it. Whatever you do, don't drive while your license is suspended.
and Happy Birthday
Its only one more month.
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when i transferred my license from de to md my points didnt follow but i think if i was to transfer from md to de they would. but how did they catch you speeding? and not to be smart but our trucks just dont fly up 17mph in less than 4 seconds, stupid choice but you have to live with it
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Wow. I almost got a felont speeding ticket at 17mph over. 62 in a 45 trying to avoid a red light flash ticket. I down shifted and sped up to make the light. But I guess my truck is too fast, it jumped 12mph through the intersection and I got a speeding ticket instead of a red light ticket. Which is why I lost my license.
We have those Red Flex cameras all over town now, but hardly anyone pays the fines because they go against the states Constitution which says you have the right to face your accuser in court. It's a civil fine. not a criminal fine. It's a money maker for the city when someone pays. When you don't pay, they send you a nasty letter and then that's that.
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i'm not trying to sound uppity or like i am a pedestal...BUT maybe i am wrong. i try my best to stop when the light turns yellow. something about accidents and wrecking my vehicles. and i was free to run 113 mph at the drag strip any time i wanted. and it was legal too!
let me just leave this idea with you...i work at a tissue bank. in simple english we cut up dead people and harvest bone/skin/tendons/misc. it would be fair to say at least 95% of donors under 25 are motor vehicle accidents.
maybe you'll be a little more careful?
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Wow. I almost got a felont speeding ticket at 17mph over. 62 in a 45 trying to avoid a red light flash ticket. I down shifted and sped up to make the light. But I guess my truck is too fast, it jumped 12mph through the intersection and I got a speeding ticket instead of a red light ticket. Which is why I lost my license.
We have those Red Flex cameras all over town now, but hardly anyone pays the fines because they go against the states Constitution which says you have the right to face your accuser in court. It's a civil fine. not a criminal fine. It's a money maker for the city when someone pays. When you don't pay, they send you a nasty letter and then that's that.
well, people played that same role here in AZ, but the state and the city of Mesa is so money hungry that they have a representative for the radar flash tickets in court. This representative reviews the pictures from the camera, determines the driver, and charges them with the offense.
Irish, im not trying to make excuses, I accept full responsibility for driving over the speed limit. But it was a fairly empty intersection, there is a lag time between lights, and I had some idiot in a civic talking on his phone riding my bumper. If I were to slam on my brakes, i would have been rear ended and left in the middle of the intersection. And I didnt say my truck accelerated by 17 in 4 seconds, but I was already a little over the speed limit plus my acceleration before the light. It was a horrible situation to get caught in. if I slowed down, I would have gotten a red light flash. If I sped up, I got a speed limit flash. If I stopped, I would have been in a wreck. It sucks, but its.my fault. Im a dumb kid and this is what happens when your dumb. I know. Besides, ive gotten by alright these past 2 months, so I think 25 more days wont kill me.
But! I do have good news! I get my license back on Sept 28th, I have to renew my registration, and re insure my truck(no reason for limited liability linsurance if its sitting) and on Sept 30th is the local Mud Bogs and Sand Drags. So ill be able to go to that again. And, ill probably have my uncles 79 K20 by then too!
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Rob, after that incident and before I was served my suspension notice, I settle WAAAAYYY down. Because, I know my truck is better and faster than the others on the road who think theyre tough, so I dont have to prove it. And the sand drags is great to get my racing mentality taken care of. Thank you guys for attempting to make me drive safer. I have a lot of respect for the people who try to lead others in a better direction instead of saying "ya well next time I hope you wreck" or something stupid like that. So thanks everyone.
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i'm not trying to sound uppity or like i am a pedestal...BUT maybe i am wrong. i try my best to stop when the light turns yellow. something about accidents and wrecking my vehicles. and i was free to run 113 mph at the drag strip any time i wanted. and it was legal too!
let me just leave this idea with you...i work at a tissue bank. in simple english we cut up dead people and harvest bone/skin/tendons/misc. it would be fair to say at least 95% of donors under 25 are motor vehicle accidents.
maybe you'll be a little more careful?
I'm not condoning careless driving by any means whatso ever. I have a wife, kids and Grandkids I woory about all thetime. Down here the setup is a scam however. I got a speeding ticket mailed to my house for 40 in a 35 on an empty street. Yeah i should have paying closer attention to my speed I know. They set up these vans with radar and a camera. They move them all over town so you never know where they are. It's pure Big Brother. Would a real cop stop you for going 40 in a 35? Probaly not unless it's a school zone witch it wasn't.
The redlight cameras are another story. It's all scam. They setup these redlight cameras and then they SHORTEN the yellow light.They have actually caused accidents in the past instead of preventing them just like the situation 1979C20 found himself in. Bottom line, drive as safely as you can. Just sometimes you get caught up in a situation, and 1979C20 you are not dumb. Just young. I was young once and did all kinds of stupid crap that I was lucky to live through. Just take things good or bad that happen to you and try to learn from them. AMEN
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79 see you left the speeding part out before lol but anyway why i said 4 sec is because thats the time a yellow light stays yellow in a 45. if your not in the sold white lines at a intersection then you have time to stop in those 4 sec. if your inside of those lines when it hits yellow you have plenty of time to make it threw.
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Irish, just like bobcooter said, they shortened the yellow lights. I was just before the first white line that is before the crosswalk qhen the light turned yellow. I sped up and the light turned red as soon as I got through the other side of the intersection.
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The short yellow lights increase profits$$$$$
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The short yellows have caused many wrecks in my town. People slam on the breaks to avoid a ticket and they get rear ended.
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http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ i thought it was used by all states all ready. but what this means is that there is set times between 3-6 sec depending on location of the light to turn
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http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/redlight/cameras/rlr_report/chap3.cfm they use the ite standards
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if you where that close to the line as long as your front tires make it over the line before the light turns red your good. thats why when they send you a pic of the infractions its two pictures well three if you count the close up on your plate. but the first one is your of your tires before the line when the light is red and the second is you in the middle of the intersection with the light still red. Around here there was a cop who would trip the lights just to get people to run red light then give them a ticket he got fired cause he all ready had one warning about this. dont get me wrong im not trying to chew you out for this just trying to inform you of what is acceptable when it comes to red lights. and if you can prove that the light is shorten they will fix it. i think even if the town/city doesn’t follow the ite rules they have to all be the same i.e. if one light is a 25mph zone and it gives you 3 sec to cross then a identical light has to be the same duration, not shorter or longer if its 2.8 seconds instead of the 3 then they have to fix it
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The short yellows have caused many wrecks in my town. People slam on the breaks to avoid a ticket and they get rear ended.
there are studies on red light cameras that say side impacts have decreased in these zones but rear ends increase, so it was still about the same amount of accidents but they just swapped places. i hate them for a couple reasons one you dont have to be driving to get the ticket and another they dont pull you over right then to see whats wrong or why you ran it. then you also have to deal with the people who just see money signs
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http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ i thought it was used by all states all ready. but what this means is that there is set times between 3-6 sec depending on location of the light to turn
Thanks for the link. I found this:
"Standard:
08 The duration of the steady yellow change interval shall be determined using engineering practices.
Guidance:
09 The steady yellow change interval should have a minimum duration of 3 seconds and a maximum duration of
6 seconds (see Section 4D.26). The longer intervals should be reserved for use on approaches with higher speeds."
That leaves it pretty open, but it should never be less than 3 seconds.
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I used to live an area with red light cameras. I always dreaded going through those intersections because I knew that the duration was a lot less. What I would do was proceed slowly usually 5-10 mph under the speed limit but have one foot on the brake and one foot on the gas pedal. When I would get close to the intersection, I would either floor it or slam on the brakes. There were several times where I had to stop so fast that I locked up all 4 wheels and came to a screeching halt. A red light ticket was over $400 in my area so I didn't worry about wasting extra fuel or wearing out my tires faster. Anyways, I'm glad to move out of that area. The police would ignore the illegals but give people tickets if they parked their car on the side of the road and their tire happened to go flat over night.
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short lights are unlawful and anyone who receives a ticket for running a red light can be exempt from it if they can prove it is too short. there is a correlation to how long the light has to stay yellow and the speed limit of that section of road.
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this is the "engineering methods "
In the current edition of ITE's Traffic Engineering Handbook (44), a standard kinematic equation is provided as a method to calculate the change interval length. The equation for calculating the change period, CP, is as follows:
The principal factors that are taken into account in the development of the change period are:
(http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/redlight/cameras/rlr_report/images/equation1.gif)
Perception-reaction time of the motorist, t, typically 1 sec.;
Speed of the approaching vehicle, V, expressed in ft./sec.;
Comfortable deceleration rate of the vehicle, a, typically 10 ft./sec.2;
Width of the intersection, W;
Length of vehicle, L, typically 20 ft.; and
Grade of the intersection approach, g, in percent divided by 100 (downhill is negative).
The equation allows time for the motorist to see the yellow signal indication and decide whether to stop or to enter the intersection. This time is the motorist's perception-reaction time, generally 1 sec. It then provides time for motorists further away from the signal to decelerate comfortably and motorists closer to the signal to continue through to the far side of the intersection. These times are dependent on the characteristics of the traffic and the roadway environment. If there is a grade on the approach to the intersection, the equation adjusts the time needed for the vehicle to decelerate.
this is from the fhwa's rules and regulations
The FHWA also proposed in the NPA
to revise the second STANDARD
statement to indicate that the durations
of the yellow change interval and, when
used, the red clearance interval, shall be
determined using engineering practices,
and also proposed to add a new
SUPPORT statement to indicate that
engineering practices for determining
the durations of these intervals can be
found in two publications from the ITE.The FHWA proposed this to enhance
safety at signalized intersections by
requiring that accepted engineering
methods be used to determine the
durations of these critical intervals
rather than random or ‘‘rule of thumb’’
settings, and by recommending the
provision of a red clearance interval
when such accepted engineering
practices indicate that a red clearance
interval is needed. As documented in
the FHWA report ‘‘Signalized
Intersections: Informational Guide,’’ 171
a variety of studies from 1985 through
2002 have found significant safety
benefits from using accepted
engineering practices to determine the
durations of yellow change and red
clearance intervals. Recent safety
studies 172 have further documented
significant major reductions in crashes
when jurisdictions have revised the
durations of the yellow change and red
clearance intervals using the accepted
engineering practices. A State DOT and
two local DOTs opposed the revision
because their agencies have other
methods for calculating red intervals
and do not believe the ITE methods to
be superior. The FHWA disagrees
because the studies have shown
significant safety benefits when red
clearance times are provided per the ITE
methods and therefore, adopts in this
final rule the language as proposed in
the NPA
heres the pdf on the rules and reg and the time duration can be found on page 91http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-28322.pdf
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Finally! Im not trapped at home anymore!! I just got done reinstating my license online. I have a conformation number saved in my phone, so if I end.up getting pulled over I have proof that it was reinstated. And ill be getting a new license in the mail wothing I business days. It cost 35 follars to reinstate it. And my dad put insurance on it last night. My registrations up at the end of this month though. But, its only 20 dollars a year, and my insurance is only 20 dollars a month. I can finally go back to work now, so ill renew my reg this week. Then, I get to mob around town and scare people with my home made train horns! Ill make a post/how to on those as well.
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Then, I get to mob around town and scare people with my home made train horns!
Let me know how much THAT ticket is
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I am with beastie, I would think since it was a pain to get your license back you would be careful not to loose it again right away.
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screw it its only another ticket
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It feels sooooo great to drive again!
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Dude, I know how you feel, I was without a lisence for 5 years, and only knew about it for the last two. Old tickets in California caught up with me here. Yadda Yadda Yadda, bunch of fines later, I've been legit again for a while, and it's like being 16 again. I love it!
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Its so great. And its even better seeing my gas mileage increased. Did somebody make gasoline more efficient since 3 months ago? Haha.
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blow those loud horns and kiss your driver's license goodbye again.
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Ive been doing some research. The most I could get is a misdemeanor. And thats only if the cop is a real jerk. According to the Arizona Revised Statute, I can sound any horn a maximum of 2 minutes out of any hour. and it has to be under a certain decible, which I am going to check the decible rating with a meter and I will regulate the psi to lower the decibles.
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Does that statute describe under what circumstance you can and can not sound the horn? What is the statute number?
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It was a simple google search, but it didnt say the statute number. I think I found the info on like a yahoo answers or a forum. And it didnt say when you can use it.
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isnt there a such law as "abusing your horn" or something like that. even if you blow your horn just to say "hi" its abuse. its a warning signal or hazard. Even if its not I bet if a cop hears it he will pull you over and I think its probable cause since you signaled a warning and then find any little thing wrong that he can and get you for that. I mean if a police officer on here tells you not to do it you will lose your license again, then you second guess that. Then I really really suggest you rethink your future cause it might be behind bars if you keep trying to fight the laws. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOJvPGTWxAU this is what I think about when someone has no respect for the laws. And guess what I deal with idiots like this one every day. Now by no means am I calling you an idiot we all where young at one time, but something my dad told me when I was about your age “if you’re having fun, its probably against the law”. Instead of searching online call up your local pd and ask them, they will tell you about the laws in your town
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I've had friends that had train horns and they all ended up getting tickets for it at one time or another.
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I am with beastie, I would think since it was a pain to get your license back you would be careful not to loose it again right away.
x2, push your luck much?
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Directly copied from your State's vehicle code.
28-954. Horns and warning devices
A. A motor vehicle when operated on a highway shall be equipped with a horn that is in good working order and that is capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of at least two hundred feet. Any horn or other warning device shall not emit an unreasonably loud or harsh sound or a whistle.
B. If reasonably necessary to ensure the safe operation of a motor vehicle, the driver shall give an audible warning with the driver's horn but shall not otherwise use the horn when on a highway.
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Well, there we have it. I didnt think to check the statutes directly. Now, what about in a parking lot? Parking lots are private property and police cant really enforce laws on them. Ill call the city tomorrow and see what I can find out. If anything, ill still have them on my truck but only use them offroad or something. I didnt build them for my health. Thanks for the info beastie. Ill post back after I talk to the city. Should I call the courts or a call a local PD?
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Should I call the courts or a call a local PD?
You should call them both and tell them you plan to
mob around town and scare people with my home made train horns!
because a total lack of reasonable sensibility and respect for others is all the rage, and
The most I could get is a misdemeanor. And thats only if the cop is a real jerk.
and besides,
Parking lots are private property and police cant really enforce laws on them
and then if they give you a hard time just say
I didnt build them for my health.
and I'm sure they will understand.
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Well, there we have it. I didnt think to check the statutes directly. Now, what about in a parking lot? Parking lots are private property and police cant really enforce laws on them.
funny cause last time i heard your house is private property and they can give you noise violations if you have your music to loud. if you do, do it in a parking lot its not going to protect you cause its in public.
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I don't understand why you would push the issue in the first place, your evidently happy to be able to drive again.
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yes, most parking lots are private property, but local police can enforce state and local laws because those parking lots are open to the public. at the very least, you can get a loitering citation. no complaints need to be made, police can act on their own free will.
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like when it snows and you do doughnuts in the parking lot they can get you for that
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"Home free" Only works when you play hide and go seek and just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it's true. Check your sources as yahoo answers or even this place isn't necessarily what's correct.
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even if you ask a cop and they tell you something, if they dont give you the vehicle code and so you can look it up, dont trust it. For example, when I asked a cop about transporting my handgun in my truck, I went and double checked that penal code section he gave me. Even cops have to revert back to their penal and vehicle code books once in awhile, and theres nothing wrong with it.
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Grim, that is hilarious! Take it from one who always uses quotes against someone, that's good.
cops don't have state codes memorized. We have a small booklet that has the most common code violations and use that to fill out summonses. There are also entire sets of state codes at the magistrate's office, who actually hear the officers' testimony and decide to incarcerate or not and decide on bail amount and araignment date. All the resources are in the magistrate's office and they are open 24/7.
More and more of our vehicles now have laptops and internet in them. Each state has a website that has the entire state code on them with a search browser. Gotta love technology. Even then, many times we confer with the elected commonweatlh attorny (or district attorney) as to what charge they would more like to prosecute after they hear all the evidence.
I will tell you this, you will violate approximately at least 3 or 4 town/county/state ordinances by blowing one of those train horns that your vehicle is illegally equipped with. The best area to use those is if you live way out in the country--and don't overuse it or they'll be on to you.
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Okay guys. I appreciate all the insight and Information. Grim, that was pretty funny. Ill dig a little more into it, see what it takes for them to be DOT approved, there has to be certain guidlines or stipulations. Big tractor trucks have air horns that are legal, so there must be sonething like, certain decible rating or PSI. I know of at least 10 vehicles in my area that regularly blow train horns, maybe I can stop and talk to one of them about their experience with cops. If anything, ill put then on for show, they only cost my 40 bucks to make.
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im betting the train horn wont be able to be DOT approved. what is the difference between the train horn and the tractor truck air horn? Those are modified as well. Plus, why get a huge horn and have to turn down the volume just to be legal? sounds like a waste to me.
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it all depends on decibel levels.
Tractor trailers may be allowed a higher sound level because they are so heavy and hard to stop fast, so they may warrant extra loudness.
no train horn is legal on the road, they are too loud. and if you did get one down to low dB levels, what's the point? it would end up as loud as a stocker probably and they wouldnt sound right. you'd be running like 25psi to them.
people just run them anyway and hope they dont get caught. from what I heard its not a big deal (ticket-wise) unless you cause a wreck or something. and i hear of many people getting warnings, not tickets, so as usual depends on the cop and how his day's going. :)
I want some, and will have some one day when i get around to it.
every car I've owned has had at least 2 or 3 illegal things on it. sometimes i get busted, most times i dont. ;D
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just throwing this out there, someone with a clean background can get a warning easier than one without.
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I think age factors into getting a warning also. I dont get pulled over for mods that I used to get pulled over for.
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I think age factors into getting a warning also. I dont get pulled over for mods that I used to get pulled over for.
i agree to the fullest on tis statement. ill add to it as well. your attitude will reflect the outcome as well.
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your attitude will reflect the outcome as well.
I'll drink to that ;D
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Quick little story, I tried to renew my registration online and it said to contact the dmv offive, it was up on the last day of sept. So I got a temp tag that expired on Oct 5th so my dad could grt to the DMV, the truck is in his name for insurance purposes. I wrnt to QuikTrip last night about a mile away from my house at 2 am. I forgot my temp tag expired at midnight. while I was paying for my drink, I turn around and a cop is running my plate. He waited for me at the exit of the parking lot. When I left, he got behind me and before he turned on his lights I flipped on my hazards. He turned on his lights and pulled me over. He asked if the truck was mine or my dads, and told me the plate was suspended. I told him my dad tried to go to the dmv today and they wouldnt take anyone after 4pm, so hes going tomorrow. I have current insurance and the temp tag expired at midnight. he took my insurance card and my id, came back and asked where I was going. I told him home and he said get there qui k and safe because if another officer pulls me over ill get a ticket. Coolest cop ive ever dealt with.
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he waited til you got out the store and started driving to see if you came out with beer. ;D You passed the test.
Your story was believable and the judge would've given the officer crap had he stroked you and brought you into his courtroom for that.
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Speeding is one thing but if you do something that causes more attention to yourself then the cops will notice you. Like my 79 k20 it has a 6” suspension lift in Maryland your “cant” touch the suspension. But as long as I don’t go around town blowing my horn or piping people or speeding then the cop will let it go