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Offline 84chevysilverado

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flat black paint
« on: December 26, 2008, 09:30:08 am »
Hi my name is marc and i have an 84 chevy silverado swb. the guy that had the truck before me TRYED to give it paint job, he was no body man or paint guy. so now i got this truck with the paint peeling off and runs everywhere in it. Eventually im gonna paint it copper or something like that. but i dont wanna do that right now cause the box thats on it is in bad shape underneth and on the inside and i dont think its worth fixing. so what i was thinking is sand the whole truck down to bare metal prime it and paint it flat black for now till i find another swb box. what are your thoughts? is  flat black easy to paint? and would it hide some sins, cause the box is pretty much held cogeather with bondo lol. any help would be appreciated
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Re: flat black paint
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2008, 08:12:04 pm »
I wouldn't waste my time sanding it to bare metal. Plus if you do you are going to be spending some coin re coating it with the correct primers etc. Just scuff it and squirt it.
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Re: flat black paint
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2008, 08:08:29 am »
so i started sanding yesterday and found out a couple things. one the hood i can just sand  down to the factory colour like you said. second the fenders the paint and primer just peels right off it so i had to sand it down to bare medal. what do you mean by il need special paint? i need a crash course in painting. and im kinda confused some people tell me sand it right down to bare metal others tell me not to. some tell me to put body filler on to bare medal some dont. could ya clear that up for me thanks.
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Re: flat black paint
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2008, 10:12:09 am »
The best foundation for a new paint job is the factory one as long as it is not compromised, crazed / cracked / peeling.
 Once you expose bare steel you need to prime it with a rust inhibitive self etching primer, then an epoxy primer, and / or a high build urethane primer.
 I never apply filler over anything except bare clean 24 grit ground steel. I have used Dupont 244S on steel then applied filler. 244S is a metal etcher.
 As far as your fenders peeling, I would guess that they are aftermarket and were not sanded before he painted them. I see this allot from armatures. they think the shinny black primer that comes on aftermarket parts is ready for paint. At the least it needs to be sanded. You always alway sand a dry or cured product that has been applied to a panel to achieve mechanical bond. Some primers and sealers are meant to sprayed wet over wet. In other words you spray it then within the window directed on the can you can apply another coat of the second product over it without sanding.
If you have a Borders store near you, go see if they have or can order you a couple books on body work. Hot rod and four wheel magazines have articles allot too, but I have seen them do stuff that is not common practice. That being said there is more than one right way to do body work!
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Re: flat black paint
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2008, 10:34:42 am »
thanks alot you really cleared things up for me. so i just got back from sanding the hood down to the factory colour. which is in really good shape. the fenders are also sanded but right down to bare steel cause like i said before everything just peeled right off and yes he did put aftermaket fenders on the truck. so now my other question is could i just buy rust inhibitor self etching primer and spray it over the hood as well as the rest of the truck once i bring everything down to the factory colour, or do i need to just spray the fenders with the rust inhibitor and everything else with a epoxy primer? or does it even matter?
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Re: flat black paint
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2008, 12:16:26 pm »
Self etching primer will not do any good over paint. It is designed to bite into the steel. The epoxy primer will work over the paint as well as the primer. PPGs DF40 epoxy primer might be what you are looking for. It is a mat black when you are done spraying it, plus it will live outdoors in UV light for a year or so.
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Re: flat black paint
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2009, 02:50:23 pm »
now another question body is all sanded down ready for bodyfiller. like I said beforeim from canada and gets pretty cold here and I dont have a heated shop. im out of the weather and wind just no heat. anyway could I apply body filler in 25f or is that to cold? thanks
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Re: flat black paint
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2009, 02:52:59 pm »
You can but I wouldn't' recommend it. 
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