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Offline SuburbanHunter

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more basic questions
« on: May 26, 2015, 04:00:08 pm »
I am working on my 77 K10 350/350. Putting it all back together and I have some pretty basic questions.

1) the exhaust manifold bolts that I took off are in pretty bad shape. They don't want to thread easily. Do ya'll typically replace exhaust manifold bolts?

2) I found some Ram Horn exhaust manifolds that I intend to use. There is a boss/bracket on the front of the drivers side manifold that I need to cut off. What tool would you use to cut an exhaust manifold.

3) a mechanic acquaintance said "NEVER use gasket sealer on anyplace that there is a gasket for." In other word only use Gasket Sealer if there is no gasket. I thought there were some places where it was prudent to use gasket sealer in addition to a gasket; for example the water pump and upper radiator host thingy where the hose goes on the intake manifold.

Thanks

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Re: more basic questions
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015, 04:20:16 pm »
1) replace or clean them up with a wire wheel (easiest when attached to a bench grinder), then, if necessary, run over the the threads with the appropriate die....this will straighten the threads out and restore the bolt.....it's not a bad idea to run a tap through the holes on the heads too.  If you don't have a tap and die set, then it may be cheaper to just replace the hardware.  The bolts are not anything out of the ordinary.

2) cut-off wheel (attached to an appropriate electric or pneumatic grinder.)

3) the hot rodders that I work with like to use high temp gasket sealer on the headers....but then again, we're always using a wide array of aftermarket "performance" headers.  That said, I would imagine you'll find a variety of opinions on this matter.  My way of looking at it is, do what works.  Use the right header gasket for your application.  Snug it down good and tight.  Run your engine under normal op conditions.  Then retighten the header bolts upon cooling....in case anything moved in the initial expansion contraction.  The great thing about headers is that it's not difficult to locate a leak.  If you have a consistent leak....then use some gasket sealer to seal the deal.

Offline Jason S

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Re: more basic questions
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2015, 04:39:58 pm »
My $0.02,

1) I'd chase the threads in the head with a tap to make sure the threads are clean. Depending on the age/condition of the bolts, I'd possibly replace the manifold bolts. I'd also thoroughly apply anti-seize to the bolt, all the way up to the bolt head. 

For a cast iron exhaust manifold: If the surface on the cylinder head is true and straight, you can have the manifolds mating surface machined flat and leave off the head to exhaust manifold gasket. You have to be sure the head and the exhaust manifold are both true, otherwise use a gasket.  For the exhaust pipe studs on your manifold, when the manifold is already off is the best time to replace those. It will likely require heating the manifold with at torch, or sometimes just burning the steel studs out of the cast iron manifold.  Whether or not you replace the studs, I'd liberally coat those with anti-seize as well.

2) Will the rams horn clear the crossmember?  If I was cutting cast iron, I'd use a cutoff saw with a blade that can be used on cast iron or a hacksaw and clean up with a grinder or file.

3) I typically will use a thin layer (i.e., very thinly spread) of something like Permatex #2 on paper gaskets such as water pump, fuel pump and thermostat housing gaskets and sometimes cork gaskets. Permatex #2 can also help hold gaskets in place while assembling).  For rubber or rubberized cork gaskets, I'd probably install dry. If no gasket or eliminating a gasket (e.g., front and rear of intake manifold- "China Wall" or a transmission PTO cover) then I'd use RTV. Also I'd RTV the corners of some gasket types, like where multi-piece pan gaskets meet the block.

Fel-Pro used to produce a booklet that had some more information about gasket materials and recommended sealers, I haven't seen it or asked for one in a long time though.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2015, 04:44:17 pm by Jason S »
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Offline SuburbanHunter

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Re: more basic questions
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 11:07:51 pm »
Thanks Gentlemen! I appreciate the input.

As far as the Ram Horns go I have heard there are clearance issues but have also heard of folks running them. I have to replace the exhaust anyway so hopefully it is not too big a deal. I still have the old exhaust manifolds so I can use those if I can't make the ram horns work.


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Re: more basic questions
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2015, 01:10:59 pm »
On important things like timing cover, water neck housing and water pump I will always use a VERY VERY light skim of Ultra Black RTV to help ensure things are sealed and a way for the gaskets to stick well.

Over using RTV sealant is a way to ensure things will leak.