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Offline j-jock

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starter grinding, engine not turning over.
« on: January 14, 2010, 07:46:34 pm »
 I have a 76 GMC 454- turbo 400, and the engine has been nothing but a nightmare for starter problems. Shortly after I bought the truck 8 years ago, I replaced the flexplate, and installed a new starter. Over the years, I have put 5 starters in this truck for various failures.  The other day when I went to start the truck, it kicked back, and from that time, the starter would wind, but it is making a grinding sound as if it is not engaging. 
When I install the starters, it requires 2 thick spacers so that it will engage and disengage properly.  It had been working perfectly, until the engine kicked back.  I have owned big block cars continuously since 1970, and this is the first time I have had a problem like this. This is the fifth starter in eight years for this truck.
To prove they can work right, I also have a 67 396-350HP in my 55 Cameo, and have never had to do a starter repair in the 39 years since I swapped the engine into the truck.
I am using the proper bolts, and I have always had the front starter bracket installed.  This starter is a rebuild with less than 6 months use.  It doesn't turn the motor at all. I have manually turned the
motor so that the flex plate is in a different position, but there is no change in the symptoms.  According to the local auto-electric shop, no GM starter should require more than two thick spacers.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Bob

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Re: starter grinding, engine not turning over.
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2010, 07:50:10 pm »
Do you have headers on the truck? I have found that bigblocks are notorious for baking starters because the starter is so close to the exhaust. They make a heat sheild that helps in this area, but I dont know where to get them. I need one for my motorhome.
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Offline j-jock

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Re: starter grinding, engine not turning over.
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 08:07:26 pm »
 I forgot to mention, that I do have headers and a shield for the starter .
Bob

Offline Layne

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Re: starter grinding, engine not turning over.
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2010, 08:31:54 pm »
Put a manual in there and bump start it! Lol. Is that the right flexplate? I was thinking maybe it's the higher tooth count so you'd have to shim the starter more??
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Re: starter grinding, engine not turning over.
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 08:33:48 pm »
You should have about a paper clip's worth of clearance between the top of the gear of the starter and bottom of the gear on the flexplate.  Check and see where you are at currently.  Has this been a problem since you replaced the flexplate?

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Re: starter grinding, engine not turning over.
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2010, 09:36:32 pm »
Make sure your ignition timing is correct and you are using the correct torque specs. Shims are used for proper clearance and if it's just zinging away remove all the shims and start over. Shims also can be used in halves on one bolt only if necessary.

Here's a few pix

http://macc.chevelles.net/starter.htm
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Offline j-jock

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Re: starter grinding, engine not turning over.
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2010, 10:29:09 pm »
Thanks for the link.  I had a look and will have a look on the first dry day.  ( It's raining, and I have to do this outside.)
Bob