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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #120 on: September 03, 2011, 12:04:48 am »
did you ever check for a leak
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #121 on: September 03, 2011, 04:08:00 pm »
I will check plugs and take pictures. And check for leaks. Thanks guys

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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #122 on: September 08, 2011, 10:47:21 am »
Okay, bought some starting fluid to test for leaks and a vacuum gauge. Put the vacuum gauge inline with the EGR vacuum solenoid. It idled at about 22. and then when I increased throttle a little, it would drop to about 15. If I revd it to the place where it bogs out, it dropped to 5. I switched the gauge to the port on the tbi below the breather on the right, I think it is A. gauge stayed at 0 until I increased throttle and then it would shoot to about 10-15.

As for the spray test with the starting fluid... it didnt do anything when I sprayed it on the manifold and brake booster and line. Any thoughts. Can someone define what the readings I got?

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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #123 on: September 08, 2011, 01:05:17 pm »
Air fuel mixture. Too rich on one bank, too lean on the other.
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #124 on: September 08, 2011, 02:15:51 pm »
Air fuel mixture. Too rich on one bank, too lean on the other.

what now? How do I resolve that?

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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #125 on: September 08, 2011, 08:24:47 pm »
Air fuel mixture. Too rich on one bank, too lean on the other.
You looking at the same pic I am?  3 black plugs on one side and 2 on the other?  Who rebuilt this motor?  Did you go through a break in process?

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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #126 on: September 08, 2011, 09:23:24 pm »
lol i was thinking the same thing. have you done a pressure check?
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #127 on: September 08, 2011, 09:30:13 pm »
3 black plugs on one side and 2 on the other?  Who rebuilt this motor?  Did you go through a break in process?

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If I had this problem for this long my next steps would be looking into why all 8 plugs were not burning the same. Too me it sounds like there are multiple things wrong with this.
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #128 on: September 08, 2011, 10:06:59 pm »
is that the order they came out in? top side being 1357 bottom being 2468? if so the ones that are lean are alternating firing order i.e. 1,4,6 dont know what that means but it seems odd
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #129 on: September 09, 2011, 02:50:05 am »
2, 3, 5, 8 are on one half of the intake and 1, 4, 6, 7 are on the other half. I didnt thi nj k when I said bank, I meant plane.
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #130 on: September 09, 2011, 09:08:28 am »
2, 3, 5, 8 are on one half of the intake and 1, 4, 6, 7 are on the other half. I didnt thi nj k when I said bank, I meant plane.
que? where did you get that info from? we knew what you meant by bank
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #131 on: September 09, 2011, 09:29:51 am »
Follow the intake runners to the base, youll see what I mean. The stock intake is dual plane.

In this pic, runners 2, 3, 5, 8 are on the raised plane on bottom and 1, 4, 6, 7 are on the lower plane on the top.

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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #132 on: September 09, 2011, 09:39:17 am »
Yes the plugs are in the order they came out. Left side is driver. A friend is gonna come help me do a leak down test. Im too much of a newb to know what would cause a rich/lean issue so if someone could break it down for i would apreciate it.

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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #133 on: September 09, 2011, 10:02:03 am »
never really look at it that way 79 lol
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Re: Repost: power loss issue
« Reply #134 on: September 12, 2011, 06:03:47 pm »
Bank to bank (left vs right) is how you determine the cylinder numbers universally...

Driver side of the motor is ODD numbered 1,3,5,7
Passenger side is Even numbered 2,4,6,8