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Offline greenmonster

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Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« on: January 31, 2012, 01:25:13 pm »
My 75 k10 rear brakes have very little pressure.I put the rear on jack stands and when I press the brake as hard as i can it just barely stops the wheels at idle.I tried to bleed the brakes and no air came out and plenty of fluid came out.I was reading about proportioning valves and found out about a button on them.It was sticking out and I reset it but it didn't help.I'm at a lose on this one.Any ideas?

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 02:57:25 pm »
did it just suddenly happen? what do the brake shoes look like? maybe needs adjusting?? not an expert just thought i would ask some questions that came into my mind. im sure someone else here can help you a little more.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 03:23:02 pm »
I don't know when it started.The back brakes have a lot of shoe left and I adjusted the brakes to drag alot just to see if that would help.Could the m/c do this.I have fluid flow to the back,just not very much pressure.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 04:40:37 pm »
Could be a bad wheel cylinder.  Need more info though.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 08:33:07 pm »
The wheel cylinders don't leak.With the drum off I can hit the brakes and the shoes open but  I can hold the shoes from opening with my hands.That is why I say it has low pressure.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 08:45:31 pm »
So, in neutral with the wheels mounted to the axle and raised off the ground, if someone steps on the brake pedal, can you spin the wheels by hand?
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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 08:55:28 pm »
Yes.The drivers side is real hard to turn but the passenger side is alittle easier.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 09:34:36 pm »
I know this isn't what you want to hear, but the way you're describing it, it really sounds like adjustment and air in the system. 

It could also be the design differential front/rear pressure ratio of the proportioning valve.  My '87 was built with JB5 brakes.  Braking was so poor that you would pray you were going to stop in time with the pedal nearly mashed through the floorboard!  Very scary!  I'm surprised there was never a recall.  The brakes stayed that way until I reconfigured them.  Now, it stops on a dime!  Many GM trucks see three or four-to-one wear ratio, front-to-rear.   :o

Even so, consider some of these basics:
*  Your brakes could be out of adjustment, or less likely not correctly arced to the drums making for poor contact.
*  Your rear drums could be worn past their useful service life (effectively, making the rear brakes out of adjustment).
*  You may still have air in the system. 
    - Try bleeding the lines at the master cylinder, then bleed them again at the rear wheels.
*  The master cylinder could be bypassing internally. 
    - When you 'lightly' step on the brake pedal and hold it, is the pedal solid or does it gradually fall toward the floor?
*  The proportioning valve internal piston may be tripped or sticking.
    - Does the brake warning lamp work in the dash when you set the parkbrake with the key switched ON?
    - With the Ign ON and parkbrake released, does the brake warning lamp light up when you step hard on the brake pedal?
*  You could have a leaking brake line leading to the rear axle.
    - Have you had to add fluid?  How do the lines look?
*  The rubber brake hose between the body and back axle could be damaged internally (a flapper).

I expect some others will chime in with some good ideas.   :D
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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2012, 09:53:46 pm »
All good ideas.I have tried alot of them.Tomorrow I am going to put a new master cylinder on (because they are cheap) and flush the system.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2012, 09:59:58 pm »
Best of luck in solving your problem.  Let us know what you find.   :)
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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 10:01:52 pm »
I'll let you know tomorrow or ask for more ideas.Thanks for your help.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 07:05:53 am »
     The only other way to test without throwing parts at it is, (you need a gauge that checks line pressure though), start at back on one side and work your way up to the master cylinder, checking each side one by one.  This method is APITA.  But that is the way to determine what exactly is wrong.
     I would think that if it was both sides doing the same, it would be either what bd said about brake wearing out of tolerance (both sides), or the  proportioning valve and master cylinder could have gone bad. 
     I would start by checking out the brakes in back first thoroughly though.
     
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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 07:10:57 am »
This probably doesn't apply to your truck, but didn't some of these trucks have a load sensing valve that would limit pressure to the rear wheels unless there was a load in the bed?

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 12:54:00 pm »
Replaced master cylinder, wheel cylinders,adjusted brakes,and there is more than 1/4 inch of shoes left.It still can't stop the rear at idle.I can stop the rear with the parking brake.

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Re: Very little pressure to rear brakes.
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 01:11:15 pm »
have you flushed the lines yet? i think you said something about trying that. i know we had a truck come into the shop and it had some kind of thick sludge (looked like lucas) and it had similar symptoms