Stand your Ground/Conceal Carry Laws

[choptop]

trying to say cops are fat? lol

Nope, they just dont fit in my pocket very well.

[Lt.Del]

If the pocket is big enough, I could fit in.
BTW, why aren't donut shops robbed often?

I do like the idea of that bumper sticker, or a T-shirt slogan
"I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy."   Perfect.

Great points mentioned here.  You only see the negative issues in the media...never see the good (unless a 90 yr old grandma is toting or a mom protecting her baby with a shotgun) because it doesn't make interesting news and the media's goal is one thing--to attract viewers.  There are so many more incidents where things go bad that DO make the news--but it is a very small minority.

And weapons are the equalizer, just like the old saying "God created man, but Samuel Colt made man equal"

Last night on BookTV (Cspan2) I watched a live call-in show with the author of the #1 bestseller American Sniper, Chris Kyle. When a caller asked how he feels about anyone being able to purchase a gun, this hyper-gun culture, after the likes of Va Tech, Oakland, and all the school shootings, Kyle's reply was, "I am 100% for the right to bear arms. It's my right to be able to have it. It's everyone's responsibility to learn everything about their weapons and how to use them. There are some who don't deserve a weapon--those who will go out and act stupid. Gun control itself, the only thing it's going to do is take the guns away from law-abiding citizens --the criminals are still going to have them."

I have a new hero. I have a new book to read.



Now I will say this, and I have followed the Va Tech incident, being in Va myself, and watched the recent court proceedings, etc... What do all these school shootings (Oakland, Columbine, Va Tech, Poducha, that Omish school in PA) have in common?  Criminal know there are no guns in the classroom.  I am not saying put loaded weapons in kid's classrooms, but, this is a microcosm of society---the criminals will commit their acts in places they know they won't get shot back at for a while--until the damage is done.  What does gun control do?  Increase these places.

I AM for college students, who are trained and properly licensed and of age, being able to carry ON CAMPUS.  There is no reason not to and all the reason in the world to do so. And professors and deans who want to carry?  The more the merrier.
In my line of work, I am just sick of criminals getting the upper hand and citizens not wanting to or able to defend themselves.  Don't leave it up to law enforcement--we just react to situations--we dont have a crystal ball and predict where the next crime will take place, but, you, the citizen, can do something about it.  CRIME WILL DECREASE IF MORE PEOPLE CARRIED.  It is called a deterrent.

[ssapach]

In Canada we're not allowed to protect our property anyways.  I'm sure criminals know that if they are shot they have more rights that the person who's property they were stealing or breaking into.

This guy gets 90 days in jail for trying to protect his property:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/10/07/edmonton-red-deer-vigilante-knight-sentence.html

[bake74]

In Canada we're not allowed to protect our property anyways.  I'm sure criminals know that if they are shot they have more rights that the person who's property they were stealing or breaking into.

This guy gets 90 days in jail for trying to protect his property:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/10/07/edmonton-red-deer-vigilante-knight-sentence.html

      I don't know about this story, why didn't he shoot him while on his atv, why shoot him after he got off ?  That seems a little bit too much like revenge for stealing his atv.
     Another question I have for you who live in Canada.  What would happen if he had a dog or dogs who attacked the 3 men, would he still go to jail for protecting his property that way ?

[ssapach]

There is always a possibility that the dogs could land you in court as well. 

Someone comes into your yard at night to steal something and gets attacked and injured by a dog, they will make up some story that their vehicle broke down and came looking for a place to use a phone and got attacked by the dogs.  Then you will get pinched for having aggressive dogs on the loose.

It's always possible, but I haven't heard of any incidents lately where dogs have been the issue like in the previous mentioned article about the shooting.

[choptop]

I had a lawyer friend that stated it best. He said to remember, if someone breaks into your house or you feel like your life is in danger, dead men dont testify. Its either him or you. He stated several cases where the home owner let the criminal get away only to have that criminal come back more prepared. I hope I never have to encounter this situation, but I guarantee Im prepared to be the only one testifying.

[Lt.Del]

good point chop, there is a reason they call it deadly force. If you must resort to deadly force, and can justify it, it is all fair game.  We do not shoot to injure...we shoot to stop the threat.  If someone has a weapon, therefore we are justified to use deadly force to protect, we do not utilize our weapon to injure, we use it to stop the threat. As long as he is able to squeeze the trigger, he is still a threat, so, center mass it is and not just one shot.  We must ensure the threat is contained.  Interpret that as you will.

[Custom Deluxe]

I guarantee Im prepared to be the only one testifying.

I agree !

Better to be judged by twelve then carried by six 

[jaredts]

Better to be judged by twelve then carried by six 

Well said!  Back to the beginning, NPR???  I used to listen to NPR stations before I realized the slanted trash I was listening to.  So, so sad that you can't find any unbiased reporting on there, and they take public funds (no matter how small they claim it is).  You absolutely, positively won't hear both sides of this issue there.

[Lt.Del]

NPR---only on the air because of tax money carrying it. If the storeis were slanted the other way, it wouldn't be on the air because they'd yank the tax funding.  Why can't NPR stay on the air without tax support like all other stations?

[78 Chevyrado]

trying to say cops are fat? lol

Yeah, you got a problem?  If cops were lighter I could be safe and not have to take care of myself...lmao! 

[Lt.Del]

Quote from: Irish_Alley on April 08, 2012, 02:51:41 AM
trying to say cops are fat?  lol

I resemble that quote.  Well, not for long, running another marathon in 7 months.
 

[bladerunner]

Wow. Been awhile since I checked up again on this thread.

Back to the beginning, NPR???

Well, I listen to a lot of different things, get a good spread on a subject.  I think as long as you go in ready to hear a certain perspective, you can use that to filter our some of the bias.  That said, I try to listen to shows that have a different opinion then mine. No fun always listening to people I agree with.

I really appreciate Lt.Del's perspective as a law enforcement officer on this.  I just could not believe most cops really think that citizens should not carry.  The only police officer who would say that is probably a Sheriff gunning for political office or something.

[Custom Deluxe]

Why can't NPR stay on the air without tax support like all other stations?

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. 

[velojym]

Why can't NPR stay on the air without tax support like all other stations?

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. 

As I've understood it, NPR's gubmint subsidies are between 10-15% of their operating costs, after considering "advertising" and other private contributions. If it were a private network, they'd just tighten their belt and survive the relatively small budget cut. They don't *have" to, though, so they continue to operate as they do... with the understandable bias that naturally follows when gravy is ladled out from the public coffers.
Another effect of their operating outside of competition.... I can't listen to 'em, and stay awake anyway. They're the audio equivalent of watching mold growing on toast.