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found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« on: December 21, 2012, 11:44:25 am »
I have yet to trouble shoot this issue, fan only works on hi, if i remember fan speed is controlled by resistor "Three prong" and is mounted with close proximity to fan motor. However upon inspecting my firewall area opposite where the fan motor is,more closer to the distributor (right below the fuel relay for tbi trucks on the heater box) i've found another male three prong plug similar to the other one with no wires going to it.So my question is does anyone know the ohms reading for a good resistor and what the heck is this other plug? Truck ia a 1990 crewcab with 1990 suburban interior.
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 02:24:26 pm »
Blower resistors are pretty simple.  Don't bother trying to measure it - the resistance values are pretty low.  Instead, take it out and look at it.  If it appears burned - replace it.  If it doesn't - it's okay.  But, if the resistor is burned there are other issues that need to be addressed, such as poor air flow within the ducts or a faulty blower motor that pulls excessive current.  Blower resistors don't fail nearly as often as the blower switches.

On the extra plug - can you post a pic?
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 08:42:11 pm »
Copy..on the idea there's more to it,probably fan motor good info thanks give me a few and ill get pic
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2012, 10:35:52 am »
mine was doing the same problem. now i know i cleaned out the leaves in the air duck maybe that caused the extra work on the resistor. but replaced the resistor about 2-3 years ago and no problems
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 09:44:02 pm »
Found resistor very clean (spring portion) however the long metal pieces that connect prongs to the springs are extremely rusty ordered new resistor from napa 17 bucks replacing it in am. I wrongly called it a three prong connector it's actually has 4.  Will get pic on mysterious extra 3 prong soon .
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 12:07:05 am »
The resistor coils are just crimped to the terminal stands . . . so corrosion in the 'crimps' . . . could really "crimp" the motor's style (result in excessive voltage drop).   :o

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Using a test light with the resistor unplugged and ignition switched ON, cycle the blower switch through the various fan speeds.  In each switch position probe the resistor wire connector.  Brown/white is low fan and should be hot whenever ignition is switched ON.  Tan should be hot only on medium-low fan.  Light blue should be hot only on medium-high fan.  Dark blue is the jumper wire between the relay and the resistor, so will never be hot as long as the resistor is unplugged.  Orange connecting to the blower relay is high speed and you already know it works.
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 08:27:16 am »
Installed new resistor all is well. Thank you BD for responding I've read several threads that you have given insight on and I want to say thank you for sharing the knowledge you have, you are defiantly a big asset to this forum
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 09:03:01 am »
Thanks
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 09:07:21 am »
YIKES! Fan motor back to just working on hi. Followed BD's steps to the letter found voltage at the correct spots plugged everything tested purple wire(fan motor wire) with test light and found that the test light lit on all speeds ,reconfirmed fan motor ground to be good. Does all this mean my fan motor is faulty?
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 10:27:29 am »
With everything connected and your voltmeter negative lead attached directly to battery negative, measure the voltage at the blower motor for each fan speed.  Post your measurements.

Also, probe blower motor case to battery negative with blower on high - should measure 0 volt.
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 10:53:08 am »
Copy will do! Also found blower motor very "free wheeling" with little to no resistance. Just want to make sure I do proper trouble shooting.
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 12:39:12 pm »
Your interest in troubleshooting is commendable... and, when you have the time, less costly.  When you're done, you'll be an expert at troubleshooting blower circuits.   8)

The more you describe the more it sounds like a worn out blower motor.  If you wind up replacing the motor, consider purchasing for a 1994 C/K1500.  It pushes considerably more air.  Just make sure the hole for the motor vent is the same size. 

IIR, the newer motor went into production with or shortly following the advent of modular A/C, which supplanted cables and vacuum motors in the subsequent generation.

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Curious.  Did you figure out the extra plug?   ???
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 01:31:12 pm »
"Hole for motor vent same size"? Are you referring to rough opening the fan motor fits at the fire wall? And do I purchase a new squirrel cage? I like the tip about moving more air.
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 03:35:20 pm »
The squirrel cage should come with the motor.  A rubber elbow attaches between the motor housing and the air box.  Make sure the opening in the motor housing is the same diameter as your original.
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Re: found extra 3 prong male plug heater only works on hi
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 08:48:46 am »
Took voltage readings as follows... 11.68v on high and 11.62v at the other settings. Very confused, Is the speed controlled by reduced voltage or reduced amps? or both? Will post picture of three prong plug still not certain on its function
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