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Offline srozell

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Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« on: May 08, 2017, 10:45:44 pm »
I tried searching to see if this was answered, but I couldn't find anything.

The previous owner of truck cut, broke, sliced and plugged the existing vaccuum hoses on the truck.

Many of the fittings/valves that hoses are supposed to be attached to are physically broken.

I am assuming this will have a huge impact on the cold-starting of my truck. Am I right?

Would it be possible to bypass most of these hoses with a different carburetor and would it make sense to do so?

My priorities are
1) Reliability,
2) Maintainability
3) Cost
4)Humiliating my father in his '56 Mercury P/U. :)

1980 k20, 350 w/ air and cruise control

« Last Edit: May 11, 2017, 02:56:03 am by srozell »
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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 12:45:07 am »
Somethin I've always kept in the back of my mind was: the hoses/lines,sensors,valves,etc...was put on a vehicle for a reason. Wheather it be for somethin minute or somethin youd definately tell a difference in,they all serve their own purpose. I can't remember what exactly my issue was,but I could tell a difference in the way my truck was acting and it turned out to be a simple vacuum hose that was detached. I hooked it back up and the issue was gone. Of course, seems like there's quite a bit of people out there who don't like all that stuff on their vehicles cause it steals some power,but myself,i don't care about that. My truck will still give me a speeding ticket if I want it to. I still have all my emissions stuff and hoses/lines attached. As far as the carb,I'd stick a the original,IF yours now is in fact the original or oem. Its more fine tuned to your truck. All of that's just my own opinion. Everyone's different.

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 12:50:59 am »
The carb is definitely original. I should probably post some pics of the rats-nest under the hood so subsequent posters get a feel for how bad it really is, but my daughter won't slow down long enough for me to pull the air filter off!
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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 01:06:26 am »
Lol...myself,I'd either get your carb rebuilt or get a reman'd one...of the same as what you have now,of course. Seems like your #1 hurdle is your daughter though!lol

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2017, 06:04:58 pm »
The carb has been rebuilt, though I'm not dismissing it as a potential source for the rough-starting of this truck.

As I mentioned, things are broken, and vacuum hoses are not even close to being where they should be.

Here are some pictures:




I'd love to get some solid recommendations on the direction I should lean towards.
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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 06:16:47 pm »
Yeah....your setups different from mine or I'd offer you help. This is probably a stupid question,but have you tried lookin up a vacuum hose routing diagram for your truck? If nothin else,maybe for the valves,etc.. that aren't broken?

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2017, 07:32:59 pm »
R u going to have to pass emissions with this.

Factory service manuals are a Buffett of info.

Your not going to get much help without telling Year, make, model etc.

Rebuilt replacement or rebuilt original carb?

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 11:03:36 pm »
I'll never have to pass emissions with this.

I have all the info for restoring it to factory, my question is primarily, should I, or would I be better serviced by a different carb/intake set up.

My bad, it's a 1980 Chev k20, air conditioning & cruise control. So far everything is stock.
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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2017, 12:06:54 am »
Myself...I'd stick to stock. Course,im partial to stock,but w that aside,the more youd change,the more $ you'll spend and adjusting/fine tuning youd have to do...unless that's what you really want (different carb,intake,etc..). I'd get the valves/fittings replaced,if possible, the hoses replaced and hooked up properly and the carb looked at. Once you have those solved,you'll notice a good difference.

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2017, 02:55:15 am »
Sorry, I missed the question in there Blazer74.

It is a rebuilt original carb.
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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2017, 09:45:01 pm »
I agree with NCOhio but its all what you want.
Dizzy vac is probably already rerouted directly to manifold vac.
Properly adjusted choke and carb for your cold start.
Most of those TVS valves are coolant temp controlled vac switches reducing vac until engine is warm

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 10:06:38 pm »
With the TVS's broken, is it worth replacing them, or should I just plug them?
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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 11:23:20 pm »
I'm not sure how many tvs you have on your truck and how many vacuum ports are on ea one,but on mine, I have 2 that has 4 ports ea. With that bein said, that's up to 8 possible issues I could have w them bein plugged off..4 if I have one plugged off. I'd see bout gettin them replaced.

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 05:41:12 pm »
Here is the diagram I am using to re-route the vacuum hoses. The only thing I can't seem to figure out is what the DVTR Valve/ A.I.R. pump is that is referred to on the right.

It is totally possible that the previous owner removed it, so a picture would be nice, if possible.

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Re: Vaccuum Hoses Galore.. vs new Carb?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 06:18:35 pm »
I'm not sure how to send a pic,unless it's through txt message,but I never tried either.lol. If youre lookin under your hood,it'll be JUST to the left of your alternator and under your air cleaner snorkel. Its not a big part and it has 2 big rubber hoses and a small vacuum line attached to it. If your set ups different, and if you want,pm me w your phone # and I'll send you a picture.