A LITTLE POLITICAL GUN HISTORY

[Blazin]

In 1929, the Soviet Union
established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about
20 million dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey
established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated..
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Germany established gun
control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and
others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and
exterminated.
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China established gun
control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

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Guatemala established gun control in
1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun
control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and
exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56
million.
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It has now been 12 months since
gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia
taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:


List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide,
armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of
Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and
criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25
years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has
changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are
guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic
increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are
at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental
effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of
guns The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.


You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversel y affect only the
law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too
late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please
remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not
to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you
value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your
friends.
       

[Captkaos]

Where did info come from Blazin?  I am all about the right to bear arms.  I have 3 pistols (Glcck 30, S&W Sigma .40, S&W 911) along with assorted other weapons.  Toolmaster has me beat though....

[Blazin]

I am not sure my brother in law sent this to me. He is a big computer nut and checks anything and everything I send to him with snopes and lets me know if its not true so I thinks its reliable.
 Just so you know the constitution refers to arms meaning long arms such as rifles, shotguns. Hand guns are not considered arms when you apply for a concealed weapon carry permit either.

[Toolmaster]

I too would like to know where this info came from !!!! (Got a Link)
Im not gona list the guns I have, But you will not ever see me without one or two within reach.

Did anyone see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Here another

Wednesday, October 24, 2007
By Melissa Underwood
Fox News

College students across the country have been strapping empty holsters around their waists this week to protest laws that prohibit concealed weapons on campus, citing concerns over campus shootings.

"People who would otherwise be able to defend themselves are left defenseless when on campus," said Ethan Bratt, a graduate student wearing an empty holster this week on the campus of Seattle Pacific University.

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a group of college students, parents and citizens who organized after the deadly shootings at Virginia Tech University in April, launched the protest.

A national debate over gun laws on campus began in the wake of those shootings, in which a deranged student killed 32 people in a classroom building before committing suicide. It was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

Campuses are prime targets for people intent on harming others because laws prohibit concealed weapons there, Bratt said.

But others believe college is no place for firearms.

"You don't like the fact that you can't have a gun on your college campus? Drop out of school," said Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.When someone pulls out a gun and starts firing in a crowded environment, it's more likely that additional victims will be harmed, Hamm said.

"Let's be grateful that those holsters are empty," he said

A group of 12 students chose to wear empty holsters to class this week at the University of Idaho as part of the nationwide protest.

Aled Baker, a junior, said he loses his constitutional right to protect himself and others when he steps on campus.

"It's null and void when you go on campus," the mechanical engineering student said.

Baker, a sportsman and hunter, has a license to carry a concealed handgun and hopes the protest will get people talking about the issue.

University policies nationwide prohibit carrying concealed handguns on campuses.

"We do not allow weapons on campus for the safety and security of our student body and faculty," said Tracy Schario, spokeswoman for George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

Justin Turner, a senior in criminology and history at Florida State University, also wants the ability to carry a concealed handgun on campus.

"I'm hoping that people actually realize that this is something that college students are serious about moving forward and realize that it's not about taking the law into your own hands; it's about taking personal responsibility for yourself," said Turner, chairman of the Florida State chapter of Students for the Second Amendment.

Congress is considering legislation that would tighten background checks and give states funding to submit information to a national database that would prevent guns from being sold to dangerous buyers. House lawmakers passed the legislation, but it remains in the Senate.

"It fixes the problem that the states are not submitting the necessary records of people who have been found by a court to be dangerously mentally ill," Hamm said.

Family members and survivors of the Virginia Tech shootings recently visited members of Congress to urge lawmakers to pass the legislation they believe could help prevent future tragedies.

[Bitzer!]

The only people over here that are "armed" are the villians! Even the police walk the streets unarmed and have to call for a special arms unit when needed!

If you beat up a burglar in your own house here YOU can be charged with assault.

The UK sucks with so much red-tape, laws and taxes.

For every pound you earn its only worth about 15pence by the time you deduct all the taxes. Income tax and national health care takes 25%, packet of cigarettes is taxed about 60% and a gallon of fuel £4-50  (about $9-00) is taxed 70%
You pay a tax of 15% on every insurance policy taken out. There's nothing great about great britain anymore!!

Any jobs goin' anyone!!

[JJSZABO]

As Bitzer stated - "Income tax and national health care takes 25%".  Lets stay vigilant and not let this happen here.  Say NO to National Health Care along with gun control.

[Lt.Del]

Yeah, something needs to be done about healthcare, but not nationalize it....keep the gov't out...except to put caps on malpractice law suits. 40% of doctors income goes to insurance.  Juries give someone $30 million for a hangnail.  Give me a break!  Put a cap on lawsuit awards and just keep track of what doctor is doing what.  If a business treats one wrong, they get reported to the BBB....do the same for doctors. The jury awards are what is keeping up the costs of healthcare.  Dang lawyers.  But since all who sit on capitol hill are lawyers, they wont change a thing because they get 30% of the award.

Other issue:   fact: criminals don't care about laws.  They will carry a gun whether they "can" or not.  they don't care.  The only ones who get penalized with laws are the law abiding citizens.   Guns are the equalizer.  Criminals won't get free reign when people carry weapons. I carry one everywhere. 
Heck, i have 5 rifles, three shotguns, a Glock 9mm, Glock .40 cal (x2), S&W .357, S&W .38 special, .380 semiauto and a few more that has escaped memory right now...i haven't gone target practicing in a while.  If i run out of ammo, i have several K-Bars to use as well. 

Anyone who is favoring Rudy Giuliani, remember, If it was his way, no one would be legally carrying weapons--only the ones who break the law would carry them. What since does that make???

 

[Bitzer!]

--only the ones who break the law would carry them. What sense does that make???

thats the way over here! I dont think our gun crime is as common as over there but it is rapidly increasing~ more so in gang crime ie drugs.

UK gone to pot 

[locdogg]

I hunt and have rifles and handguns but I'm not comfortable with assault rifles, you gotta draw the line somewhere.


also Bitzer said "For every pound you earn its only worth about 15pence by the time you deduct all the taxes. Income tax and national health care takes 25%"

I have 3 kids myself and health care (I have insurance thru work) takes about 25% of my income each year.  Every year at tax time it suprises me when I actually add it up.  Luckily my kids are getting older, but the insurance goes up 8-10% each year. 

I know this probably isn't going to go over well, but I think I'm becoming a socialist. 

[85MudMonster]

Let them come and try to take my guns! I can hold them off for a good while...If they take away our 2nd amendment rights Then I don't think I want to defend the constitution anymore...

[Lt.Del]

I know this probably isn't going to go over well, but I think I'm becoming a socialist.

It's ironic that we spent nearly 40 years to win the cold war and the war against communism and socialism (even though it is still in China and Cuba).  Now we are steering right towards what we fought against.

Remember, the USA is still an expirament...it has lasted since Jamestown, but that is a blink of an eye in relation to human history. Is it inevitable to go towards Socialism? 

Look at these Democratic candidates--like Hillary trying to "buy" votes from the lower and middle classes saying things that families are "entitled" to $5,000 for each child.  What?  Is that how America was found?  didn't they try that 30 years ago under a different label?--it was called Welfare...did that help?  NO, it filled up jails with parentless offspring--children were being popped out for the tax deductions and monthly gov't checks only.  Yeah, HIllary, just rename it--it will work this time.

Let them come and try to take my guns! I can hold them off for a good while

   

Ever hear of Ruby Ridge or Waco?  The gov't just doesn't learn anything.

....stepping down from the podium....

[85MudMonster]

I don't want to end up like Waco by any means, but if it coems to that. I think it will eventually end up like the movie Demolition Man. There will be Rebels like us living underground with our guns and our V8's and up above will be the little flower power tree huggers. I know we have to take care our the planet but I mean come on, I don't really think it's as bad as they say it is, and if it is, how do we know we caused it, maybe the planet just goes through cycles. I mean they tell us oh 500 years ago the ocean was such and such level, and now it's at this level, isn't that how it is supposed to work? *Steps down from soapbox* Sorry to get off topic....Back on topic, I really don't want to loose my right to bear arms, I mean what is next freedom of speech, I mean that is already impared because I've got to be politically correct, or else I might get into trouble. What is that all about? Wow, I'm sorry I'm really gonna stop now, I could probably rant for a while about this. It just makes me mad when the govt' and such try to change and censor the constitution and the bill of rights that I stode there and swore to defend with my life.

[85MudMonster]

By the way, SgtDel, are you in the military by any chance? Just wondering because of the screen-name you have....

[Lt.Del]

law enforcement 17 years and counting...

[85MudMonster]

ahh, I see. And your in Richmond I see. I wanna make sure I slow down when I go through there...