RUN YOUR CAR ON WATER--- snake oil or deliverance?

[FlatBroke]

Maybe it just struck me wrong eairlier..............My bad...

No, not a dorky scientist either...



My point of view is that if this thing helps, even a little, then it is a start........Sorry for sounding like such a punk earlier.

[Lt.Del]

By ALL Laws of nature, and physics a helicopter can't fly either.

What would have happened had Orville and Wilbur listened to the doubters.  Kitty Hawk would be nothing but another strip of beach in the outer banks--that I will visit anyway in September and again in October.

Pics of last year's trip to OBX, NC with my son in front of the Wright Flyer at Kitty Hawk...






And what about the Osprey?  It wasn't supposed to work either--half helicopter, half airplane.  We got a treat last year while at the Wright Bros Memorial....My dad and son, and me behind the camera, saw this osprey showing off. ..

[Dave Kay]

Awesome Sarge, thanks for your input! And I have to say that the Wright Bros first powered flight is to me, one of the most fascinating aviation/history subjects of all... but I am no expert! Inspiration as well as experimentation was the brother's 'fuel' which finally proved a result: powered flight!

The Wrights corresponded on a regular basis with a fellow named Octave Chaute, the German guy who at that time was one of the world's foremost experts on airfoils and gliders. And it could be truthfully stated that Orville and Wilber's ultimate acheivement was in fact a collaborative effort... in retrospect, there were many experimenters around the world who were nipping at the Wright's heals all along but in time, they were simply out smarted.

So for all those inspired experimenters out there... keep up the good work!

P.S. am more than anxious to get into this 'experiment' but like someone else posted, I would need a fairly detailed plan-of-operation and I offer up my Ol' 77 for the cause... having said that and not wanting to pawn-off hard work on others, I first must finish my current work-truck-project to make time available for further study... and I digress.

[FlatBroke]

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hydroboost.htm


The link above was posted on page 1. It seems to have the most informative instructions of any site I have seen thus far. Several diagrams are also pictured. Detailed constructions given as well...

[werewolfx13]

The ultimate effectiveness of the whole assembly depends on how much hydrogen gas you can produce in relation to the air demands of your engine..My first tank went significantly further than it did before, and there were a few times that I stepped into it...but, there was more time that I spent at more of a high idle, which is where the only real noticeable impact is..I drove normally, but normal for me includes a lot of accelerating to 35-40 mph and coasting for 10 blocks, then level the speed out to 20-25..If you mixed more acid with the water, or forced more current through it, or put it on a lawnmower engine or something with much lower air demands, you'd see a much more noticeable difference..My 2nd tank, I drove more aggressively, and my mileage was right back to being less than 8 mpg in town when driving with a heavy foot..I'm not willing to take a chance with a higher concentration of sulfuric acid, if someone else wants to try it, or experiment with the same concentrations, be my guest..but putting an electrical current through a higher concentration of acid could result in bad things..such as a small explosion..

The materials I used were: a 12" long piece of 4" thin wall DWV pipe, mine had a flared end to allow it to slide over another piece of pipe, which worked out better than using a coupling, which would work as well, but would take up more space. You'll cut it down to 8" long.
a 4" DWV pvc cap for the pipe
a 4" cleanout for the thin wall pipe (schedule 40 caps and cleanouts won't work if you use the thin stuff)
a 4" plug for the cleanout.
two 3/8" brass pipe nipples
Two 3/8"x6" galvanized carriage bolts
8 3/8" galvanized nuts
2 stainless 3/8" nuts (for holding the ring terminals on the "electrodes"
some kind of air pump..the angelfire hosted link on page 1 uses a universal windshield washer pump, I used an aquarium air pump and a pocket inverter since I already had both..If you use the washer pump, you only need ONE 3/8" brass pipe nipple.
A can of mushrooms, or a couple soup cans..mushrooms are still in cans that you can cut both the top and bottom off, whereas most soup cans only allow for the top to be cut off..
Probably some more stuff, just follow this link and read the whole thing.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hydroboost.htm

As an additional note, I'm not responsible if you try any of this and damage your truck or yourself..You're handling sulfuric acid, use common sense and chemical protection..

[Dave Kay]

The ultimate effectiveness of the whole assembly depends on how much hydrogen gas you can produce in relation to the air demands of your engine..My first tank went significantly further than it did before, and there were a few times that I stepped into it...but, there was more time that I spent at more of a high idle, which is where the only real noticeable impact is..I drove normally, but normal for me includes a lot of accelerating to 35-40 mph and coasting for 10 blocks, then level the speed out to 20-25..If you mixed more acid with the water, or forced more current through it, or put it on a lawnmower engine or something with much lower air demands, you'd see a much more noticeable difference..My 2nd tank, I drove more aggressively, and my mileage was right back to being less than 8 mpg in town when driving with a heavy foot..I'm not willing to take a chance with a higher concentration of sulfuric acid, if someone else wants to try it, or experiment with the same concentrations, be my guest..but putting an electrical current through a higher concentration of acid could result in bad things..such as a small explosion..

The materials I used were: a 12" long piece of 4" thin wall DWV pipe, mine had a flared end to allow it to slide over another piece of pipe, which worked out better than using a coupling, which would work as well, but would take up more space. You'll cut it down to 8" long.
a 4" DWV pvc cap for the pipe
a 4" cleanout for the thin wall pipe (schedule 40 caps and cleanouts won't work if you use the thin stuff)
a 4" plug for the cleanout.
two 3/8" brass pipe nipples
Two 3/8"x6" galvanized carriage bolts
8 3/8" galvanized nuts
2 stainless 3/8" nuts (for holding the ring terminals on the "electrodes"
some kind of air pump..the angelfire hosted link on page 1 uses a universal windshield washer pump, I used an aquarium air pump and a pocket inverter since I already had both..If you use the washer pump, you only need ONE 3/8" brass pipe nipple.
A can of mushrooms, or a couple soup cans..mushrooms are still in cans that you can cut both the top and bottom off, whereas most soup cans only allow for the top to be cut off..
Probably some more stuff, just follow this link and read the whole thing.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hydroboost.htm

As an additional note, I'm not responsible if you try any of this and damage your truck or yourself..You're handling sulfuric acid, use common sense and chemical protection..

HA~! I luv your disclaimer at the end... and rightfully so! Thanks for the work you've done posting and especially for the synopsis on your system. One thing I've wondered about is where you speculated on how much hydrogen you can produce in relation to air demand; and I think why not add multiple canisters to produce more hydrogen, hence, increasing the fuel to air ratio? And after your conclusions thus far, I further wonder if this system is no better or worse than production natural gas powered vehicles? You did get further on your 1st tank by keeping the foot out of the throttle did you not? A noticable savings?

To wit; one of my neighbors has a factory produced Honda (Accord I think?) which runs purely on NG and he tells me that it does not increase his fuel milage any better than the same gasoline powered model, it is simply the difference in the overall price he pays for fuel in relation to the distance travelled. Then there was another fellow I knew years ago who ran an LPG conversion in an old Dodge pickup and his claim was that the only real gains he saw were when he did long haul driving; he'd switch on the LPG after reaching cruise speed and it saved on gasoline significantly. In other words, he ran around town using gasoline w/o the LPG and only switched over for Vegas trips and such... and this was 20 yrs ago!

So I'm thinking that as your current system is in a fairly basic form, perhaps with some refinements further gains could be achived... additionally, I cannot help but to think that this system will also come up against finite limits in maintainance, size, etc, and other unkowns, but still perhaps be useful in keeping our old square-bodys on the road and viable for the near term... I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this and thanks again.

[werewolfx13]

Yeah, if I drove like I normally do, there was a significant improvement at certain times..normal driving for me is not light footed, as I tend to accelerate hard to about 10 mph over or a little better, and coast til I drop off to the speed limit or about 5 mph under..This was a habit I started when I was driving my '84, which had RIDICULOUS spring tension on the accelerator after I switched to the holley, no matter what I did to adjust it or lubricate the cable..Driving like that in my current truck usually yields about 140 miles per tank, with occasional WOT sprints when I feel like playing..During the experiment, my first tank yielded over 220 miles, which is better than my best highway mileage has ever been, running 55 mph with a tail wind. When my aquarium pump quit, I used a small funnel on the end of a piece of tubing stuck behind the grille for awhile, but I repaired the pump and went back to using it..I had planned on testing to see which of those worked better, but its really not practical for me either way..my Maxima gets better mileage than the theoretical best improvement with the base mileage my truck gets, and its more comfortable to drive..I've just got to hope with all my might that the car's transmission holds up til I snatch up the right parts car for a 5 speed swap.

If I'm correct, you could put one of these on a lawnmower and only fill it with gas once a year..but you'd be recharging the battery on a regular basis..

[Skunksmash]

I am in the process of building an HHO generator myself. For lots of info on HHO, just go to youtube.com and type in "How to HHO" (without the quotatio marks of course) and you will see a ton of videos showing how to build your own HHO generator and hook it up to your car. Some people report fuel mileage increases of up to 70%. Basically all you are doing is creating hydrogen gas, and running it into your air intake. After the air filter. The gas will be sucked down into the engine and burned, and that saves you having to burn so much gasoline, thus saving you lots of money. This is NOT snake oil, it works and i have seen it work. But, there are several very important issuses. Hydrogen gas is more explosive than gasoline, so be VERY careful when dealing with it. And DO NOT USE GLASS for your generator if you decide to build one. In any part of it. Not the cannister, not anthing. If things go wrong, the glass will be the worst thing you could have built it out of. Plastic will just rupture, but glass will effectively become a grenade. And do not let the motor be full of the gas before you start it. You will destroy your engine. Do not start gas production until the engine is already running. Those are the main safety tips. Building the generator is super easy, in fact i would bet that most of you already have most of the materials needed in your shop or garage. if not, they can all be obtained at home depot, and autozone.