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Really bad lifter... need some advice
« on: September 18, 2011, 04:12:04 pm »
 I have one lifter thats just a pounding when my oil pressure is down at idle and warm.. oil is scarce on that one push rod.. Im short on cash.. whats the odds the cams all beat to shoot.. or can I get away with tossing some lifters in it?

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 05:19:21 pm »
Odds are good, but check the rocker arm movement compared to the other.  This will give you a good indication of if you can get away with a lifter.  Usually they are put in as a matched set just replacing a lifter to get you by for a while should work if the cam doesn't have a flat lobe on it.
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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 06:04:51 pm »
 The rocker arm seems to move roughly the same...is that any indacation of anything?

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 06:33:15 pm »
 It runs decent... might be a little tiny bit choppy. Thanks for the fast reply... this kind of stupidness bugs me.. My summer work term ended.. so Im broke.. did a swap.. engines great... i had planned a cam swap at some point.. but didnt think it would be an issue yet... shoudl have known really.. high mileage engine. Should it be running like crap with a lifter that bad.? im troubleshooting... loud metallic tick.. whenwarm at low rpm but goes away with higher oil pressure.. and much less noticable when cold... pulled valbe cpver.. noticed noise was in rythem with one of the rocker arms... and it was putting out half the oil of the rest... sounds like a lifter to me..
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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 10:16:55 pm »
Get that certain noisy lift to the valve closed point(no tension on it), take the rocker arm off and inspect the push rod for clogs, lack of oil or not polished where it meets the lifter or rocker arm.  If it all checks out I would put it all back together and slowly tighten it up until the clatter disappears and see what happens.  My $.02
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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 02:04:17 pm »
 The pushrods were very clean and not clogged.. i put a rag on the end of one and turned the lifters to see if they were stuck.. one that was putting out a bit less came compleatly around but the bad one on the passenger bank is still not putting out as much oil when cold almost none and when warm only 1/3 as much as the rest... I really dont want to pull the intake.. I dont have the extra flow at the moment.. but i need the truck... im at a loss

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 03:28:29 pm »
I dont have the extra flow at the moment.. but i need the truck... im at a loss

Price out a cam with lifters/timing chain/gaskets. Put the valve cover on and only use it when you have to. While it is parked you will be saving gas money that can go into parts.

You didn't say anything about the engine or if you have any plans for it in the future. You can change just one lifter to get you by. I did that once with a used lifter after I broke one. Shade tree style 100 miles away from the garage...haha. I did not think of that repair as long term, I had another engine for my truck, but it worked for months until I changed motors.
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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 03:46:21 pm »
 Its an older engine.. mis 80s maybe.. unknown km... sounds good.. runs great... oil comes out really clean.. no smoke.. doesnt use oil... so I opted to put it in not knowing km... this one is a 366 tall deck.. i mean other then this clacking sound.. i have no complaints... i just hate using unknown engines... but the truck needed an engine.. and it was free.

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 04:28:40 pm »
beware installing a new cam.  it will change things enough that i bet within 10k miles you'll have to have a valve job done on your heads, unless the new cams specs are the same as the worn out cams specs.

in an older engine, if you want to do it once and be done, you need cam n lifters, timing set, and a valve job or new heads. 

ive done this 3 times, and its always burns a valve between 10k and 15k miles after the cam install.  on an OLD engine though.
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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 05:00:57 pm »
 NOt that im saying your wrong.. but im curious as to why the valves would be ruined.?.. I have never heard of this before.

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 05:23:34 pm »
 I know this is going to sound horrible but... i just started school and im broke.. really broke.. what if I pull off the intake.. replace the bad lifter/lifters hopefully only 2 and reinstall the intake withthe same gaskets coated in ultra copper.. or the red spray junk.. ghetto I know.. but will it work?

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 07:27:53 pm »
beware installing a new cam.  it will change things enough that i bet within 10k miles you'll have to have a valve job done on your heads, unless the new cams specs are the same as the worn out cams specs.
There is NO relationship to what your suggesting. Sorry, you've just chose to change the cams on 3 worn out engines. Those engines would have needed a valvejob in the next 10,000 miles regardless if you changed the cams or not. My Two Cents, Lorne   

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 09:44:56 pm »
Make sure you are properly adjusting the valves and if the cam has a wiped lobe it's time for a cam and lifters. Reusing old intake gaskets to me is like reusing toilet paper. Why would you want to? Save a few bucks or borrow the cash but unless you enjoy doing things twice just do it right the first time.
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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 06:14:47 am »
 Thanks guys... pretty much what i figured... the engine sat for quite some time... any chance (wishful thinking) a lifter might just be a bit sticky? ;D

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Re: Really bad lifter... need some advice
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2011, 06:40:27 am »
 Yeah i adjusted them as best as possible... only one is funky... theres not alot of slack in the rockerarm...