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Offline aussie87

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Tail Light swap
« on: August 16, 2014, 09:14:05 am »
Hi, I have just received my 1987 Sidestep of the ship and need to start on the modifications to register here in Australia.

My first job is to change the tail light so I have a YELLOW blinker instead of the RED.

I want to make the white reversing lens into the yellow blinker using a yellow globe and install an extra reversing light ( not yet decided on location or size) Need to have for registration.

Is this a project anyone has done and could help me with the rewiring so it would end up

1- yellow blinker in the white reversing lens
2- Stop / Tail in the same position
3- Separate reversing light

Thanks in advance

Andy

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Re: Tail Light swap
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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2014, 08:17:42 am »
Yes they are all options, but would prefer to use the lamps I have on the 87.

My problem is that there is only 2 wires going into the lamp, were as here in Australia we would separate wires for each action.

Not quiet sure how to rewire.

Are there any Aussies who have done this ?
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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2014, 02:53:20 pm »
This is a stepside truck and that makes this a bit less painful.  No real body work required.

The original US brake light wire runs from the pedal switch to the turn signal switch in the steering column and the turn switch handles power distribution to the two bright taillight filaments.

This is how I would handle this.
You already have the turn signal wires in place.  Don't disturb them.  Continue to run the turns off the OEM brake/turn wires.  They'll be plain old turn wires when you finish.

Remove the wire that runs from the steering column to the brake lamp switch at the column harmonica plug and the brake light switch.  Be sure it's not the one from the cruise control brake pedal switch.  And. Be sure to either completely extract it from the harmonica plug on the column and the brake pedal switch and clip off the terminals at both ends...  Or. Extract from the pedal plug and heat shrink over the end to avoid shorting out the column switch.

Add a new wire to the brake pedal brake lamp switch and run it to the bulkhead plug...  There should be one open Delphi Packard 56 slot dead center in the taillight/fuel-tank bulkhead plug section... so adding it in a neat clean manner should be fairly painless.  you'll need male and female Packard 56 terminals Female #12033824 & Male #2971962 for the bulkhead and if 87 uses the same pedal plug as 86 & 88 then you'll need one more Packard 56 female for the pedal plug.  The 87 wiring diagrams are a bear to find things like the pedal switch but there are important differences from the easier to read 88 and up RV series diagrams...
Add a new terminal and wire to the engine compartment side of the taillight/fuel tank bulkhead plug that's way longer than you need to reach the rear of the truck.
If you're feeling lazy...  Use split poly loom to contain the new wire, from the bulkhead tail/fuel tank plug to the rear, with the old wrapped tail harness rather than pulling that harness out and wrapping the new wire to the old harness with harness tape.  87 may use split poly already so just stuff the new wire inside it.

I believe the four wire tail harness on an '87 terminates in a 4 way Square 2x2 Delphi Weatherpack plug on the LH frame rail at the rear.  SO...
Extract the terminals from the old 4 way 2x2 Delphi Weatherpack tower and shroud at the rear taillight harness frame disconnect.  Then insert those terminals into a 5 way round Delphi Weatherpack #12034342 Tower & #12065158 Shroud. That way you can neatly add the brake lamp wire right there without any dangling wires or extra connectors.  And it looks almost OEM.

You can use 4 way 2x2 Weatherpak tower and shrouds at the taillight pigtails and you'll only need to buy one mating pair... you already have the pair that you took off at the LH frame rail. 

There are inexpensive but not cheaply made tools for terminal extraction and crimping these seals and terminals.
The 12155975 ratcheting crimp tool will handle 12-20AWG  / 2.00-0.80mm² Packard 56 and Weatherpak terminals and you will not wonder if the terminals are going to stay attached.  It's usually right around $100 US and is of decent enough quality that it could be resold.
The 12014012 extractor is usually around $5-$10 US and there's nothing that works quite as well IMHO

Parts List:  With No Quantities...
Delphi Packard 56 terminals 14-18AWG / 2.00-1.00mm² Female #12033824
Delphi Packard 56 terminals 14-18AWG / 2.00-1.00mm²  Male #2971962

Delphi Weatherpack 4 way square 2x2 black connector #12015024 Shroud
Delphi Weatherpak 4 way square 2x2 black connector #12015798 Tower

Delphi Weatherpak 5 way round connector #12034342 Tower
Delphi Weatherpak 5 way round connector #12065158 Shroud

Delphi Weatherpak Green wire seals Part #15324982
Delphi Weatherpak Female Tower terminals for 14-18AWG / 2.00-1.00mm² wire Part #12124580
Delphi Weatherpak Male Shroud terminals for 14-18AWG / 2.00-1.00mm² wire Part #12124582

The US GM Light Truck wiring diagrams, service manuals, and unit repair manuals etc that I scanned are posted by Chris in the tech section on the board.  They should show the tail wiring.  You may want to look at a couple other years to get an idea of what you are looking at.  1987 is a bad year for wiring diagram readability but you need em because 86 and 88 have important very big differences in several areas.
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=25639.msg213706#msg213706
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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 07:23:19 pm »
Wow, hatzie, I realy appreciate your reply,  the details and steps you have done are excellent. Thank mate for the time you spent on it, it will help me heaps.

I had hoped on a much easier solution, but if a job is worth doing then do it properly.

Will be looking into this project this weekend and keep you informed as too how it goes.

In order for me to register her in Perth, I have to change to Blinker to Yellow, replace to 2 low beam lights as they dip on low beam to the right and here they need to dip to the left so as not to blind the on coming traffic. next is to replace the seat belts.
Andy

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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2014, 10:41:02 pm »
Well I have spent most of the weekend sorting out the rewiring of the blinkers and have had a win.

I removed the white wire going from the brake switch up into the column and attached a new wire and took it to the back.

Next I cut of the 4 wires going into the 4 block and replaced it with a 5 block.

It was then just a case of wiring up the corresponding wires to suit left and right blinker/stop/tail and reverse.

For reverse I put a LED into the white area of the lens with the yellow globe for the blinker.

thanks for the help and input
Andy

1979 Corvette
1987 Stepside
2013 Ford territory

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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2014, 09:06:52 am »
      Glad to hear that you got it figured out and that now you can get your truck registered.
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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2014, 10:57:55 am »
Did GM not export that year truck to Australia? I'm just curious how the factory changed the tail lights for that country.

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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 12:53:41 am »
Hi roger97338, in Australia we have had our own style of UTE (UTILITY) or pickup. General motors Holden and Ford were the 2 main ones early on.
Then the imports started coming in, not so much from the USA as you are Left hand drive the tooling required was not considered worth the expense.

GM in the USA and GMH in Australia did use a lot of the same parts in cars.

So to answer you question this model was not exported to Australia.

The Ford f series was duplicated here with Right hand drive but not the Chevrolet's
Andy

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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 07:02:07 am »
I thought I'd seen a RHD Chevy in oz, on this site somewhere ?

You gotta be turning some heads with that  truck !
Not many of em down under

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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2014, 06:56:05 am »
Hi roundhouse, sorry for the late reply.

Yes there are RHD C10s in Australia, but you will find they have been converted here to RHD.

Mostly because some people don't like having the steering wheel on the wrong side. Not real hard to drive LHD here just takes a bit of care when cornering and roundabouts

Me I prefer to keep LHD as then it stays as an American car.

Good practise for when I am there in 4 weeks time.
Andy

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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2014, 09:41:45 am »
Hi roundhouse, sorry for the late reply.

Yes there are RHD C10s in Australia, but you will find they have been converted here to RHD.

Mostly because some people don't like having the steering wheel on the wrong side. Not real hard to drive LHD here just takes a bit of care when cornering and roundabouts

Me I prefer to keep LHD as then it stays as an American car.

Good practise for when I am there in 4 weeks time.

     Might keep people from wanting to steal your truck also.
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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2014, 10:27:09 am »

Hi roundhouse, sorry for the late reply.

Yes there are RHD C10s in Australia, but you will find they have been converted here to RHD.

Mostly because some people don't like having the steering wheel on the wrong side. Not real hard to drive LHD here just takes a bit of care when cornering and roundabouts

Me I prefer to keep LHD as then it stays as an American car.

Good practise for when I am there in 4 weeks time.

Come on over

I've been to the UK.  I'd love to visit down under !

By the way.  American chicks love the Aussie accent

I saw a guy driving a old MG TD last week that was RHD

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Re: Tail Light swap
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 05:02:03 pm »
Hi roger97338, in Australia we have had our own style of UTE (UTILITY) or pickup. General motors Holden and Ford were the 2 main ones early on.
Then the imports started coming in, not so much from the USA as you are Left hand drive the tooling required was not considered worth the expense.

GM in the USA and GMH in Australia did use a lot of the same parts in cars.

So to answer you question this model was not exported to Australia.

The Ford f series was duplicated here with Right hand drive but not the Chevrolet's

Thanks for the reply! I didn't know that GM didn't convert and export that model to Australia. I learned something new. :)