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If there was such a thing as good gas anymore ....it wouldn't change anything....my eighties hypo engine got 10mpg, no matter what. empty, loaded, pulling a trailer, it didn't matter, it never changed.
Quote from: Greybeard on March 10, 2016, 12:53:59 pmIf there was such a thing as good gas anymore ....it wouldn't change anything....my eighties hypo engine got 10mpg, no matter what. empty, loaded, pulling a trailer, it didn't matter, it never changed.What do you mean "if there was such a thing as good gas"? We have E85 at the pump and it will out perform C16 race fuel. There as never been a leaded gas at the pump that will out perform E85. Don't believe the fear mongering, E85 is way better than anything else you can get at the pump.
Quote from: SomeTexan on March 10, 2016, 01:17:06 pmQuote from: Greybeard on March 10, 2016, 12:53:59 pmIf there was such a thing as good gas anymore ....it wouldn't change anything....my eighties hypo engine got 10mpg, no matter what. empty, loaded, pulling a trailer, it didn't matter, it never changed.What do you mean "if there was such a thing as good gas"? We have E85 at the pump and it will out perform C16 race fuel. There as never been a leaded gas at the pump that will out perform E85. Don't believe the fear mongering, E85 is way better than anything else you can get at the pump.OK, point of fact...alcohol is not gasoline. E85 is alcohol with enough gasoline in it to not be considered racing fuel proper. Have you ever wondered why they don't market straight alcohol? I can look out my front window here in corn country and see the danged ethanol plant, what an eyesore! I used to have an uncluttered view out my window of nothing but fields and trees. But that is off the point.Alcohol has a been a racing fuel since I was a kid in the sixties and likely since decades before that. Anyway, they only put 15% petroleum products in alcohol because that is the way the treaty is between big oil and the corn industry. But there is a lessor reason too, but a more important one to us old iron drivers. Alcohol eats at everything in these old vehicles, it causes corrosion on aluminum parts that are not designed for alcohol, it eats rubber, it hardens and makes brittle the old plastics that are in plenty of original old carburetors, and old carbs are not tuned to use the volumes of alcohol that are required to get the same BTU's as a smaller volume of gasoline. Gasoline burns much different than alcohol. When I worked at a custom Harley shop they had a alcohol fueled drag bike. About a 7 second bike in the quarter. The jets on that S&S Super D you could dam near poke a standard pencil through whereas a normal gas carb set up for the same displacement and horsepower engine would barely get the pencil lead through. So, e-85 is not in the same realm as gasoline. It may be the best available today (for vehicles designed to use it) but it is not the best there ever was.
Quote from: SomeTexan on March 10, 2016, 01:17:06 pmQuote from: Greybeard on March 10, 2016, 12:53:59 pmIf there was such a thing as good gas anymore ....it wouldn't change anything....my eighties hypo engine got 10mpg, no matter what. empty, loaded, pulling a trailer, it didn't matter, it never changed.What do you mean "if there was such a thing as good gas"? We have E85 at the pump and it will out perform C16 race fuel. There as never been a leaded gas at the pump that will out perform E85. Don't believe the fear mongering, E85 is way better than anything else you can get at the pump.funny how all my cars get a lower mpg with E-10. And ruins allMy chainsaws and mowers E-10 lowers the mpg by about 20%. Causing vehicles to actually consume more gasoline than if there was no ethanol in it in the first place Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I use a little Ford Focus with a Zetec engine for my daily commute to work. If I run 91 octane no ethanol gas it gets 28mpg. If I put in the 15% ethanol gas at 87 octane I lose at least three mpg, sometimes more. No tuning a Zetec engine, it's all computer. Good plugs, wires, and coil and the computer takes care of the rest. It is not a coil on plug engine however. We have dual fuel vehicle at work we use as a school bus, it is a Ford Fusion. It runs on e85 too. Slow as a dog on two legs. But I would tend to agree that a purer form of alcohol burning in an engine that is finely tuned to burn it would have good mileage and good power. Just like a alcohol fuel dragster does pretty good through the traps. The problem is that here in Iowa at least e85 is not as prevalent as e15 which is mandatory in every pump. e85 is still a specialty fuel like LNG and LPG. There are a few very new stations around that carry all of them but they few and far between. Roundhouse got it right, I use older lawn equipment because stuff is simply to rich for my bank account. E anything ruins them. I made the mistake two years ago of buying alcohol fuel for my Stihl MS460 chainsaw, I forgot to dump the mix out when I was done and the saw sat for a couple of months with mix still in it. No problem I thought, just dump out the old and mix some new. It would not start. Spritzed some in the carb throat and it ran fine. Took cover off, the fuel lines where rock hard and crumbled when I touched them. Replaced those and still would not start. Retraced mt steps to make certain I assembled it correctly but still nothing. Took the carb off thinking the pump might be clogged with sawdust. But it was the diaphragm, it was swelled to the point it could not move. I showed the diaphragm to the Stihl mechanic and his first words were -ya used alcohol gas didn't ya? The book says it's OK, up to 5%. 15% is a no-no. I do however use it my Farmal M. It began life as a multi-fuel engine anyway. It can run distillates, gas, or kerosene but is now jetted only for gas.
heres something to think about and use. they still make ethanol free fuel and you can buy it at airports cause they dont like to run ethanol in planes for some oddball reason http://www.autofuelstc.com/fuel_testing.phtmland a 282 page pdf on the ethanol fuelhttp://easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/Final_Report_EASA.2008-6-light.pdf
The difference in cost per gallon of E-85 over E-10 had to be $.70 lower in cost to equal $/mile in a 2011 Ford Escape I had as a company car. Several times I did the calculations and it wasn't worth stopping for fuel as often to me. All I know is the small engine folks must be happy because it is sure tearing up a lot of older equipment. Gone are the days my 454 in my C20 would see 15-16 mpg with pure gas...