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I used to use the Hamerite but a few years back the Kilz company bought it. I think they changed to formula. It doesn't work as good or last like the stuff from 10 years ago. The old stuff worked awesome over Duponts Variprime or tightly adhered rust, it didn't work well over bare metal though. I use this stuff, its the same as POR 15 but about half the price. If you want to spray it they have reducer, cut it by 10%. I spray this right on a frame after needle scale and a little wire brush work. it works good over sandblasted metal also.http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/classicrestoration/a/aa042003a.htm