Author Topic: pulling to the right....toe out how much?  (Read 29078 times)

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
pulling to the right....toe out how much?
« on: January 26, 2013, 10:52:49 pm »
Ok so you must know that by the time I decided to post this i have gotten tired of dealing with the issue. Just had a snow storm and it reminded me how dangerouse this issue really is. so here goes.

1987 v10. corporate 10 bolts front and rear, stock steering system with the exception of new tie rods, drag link, spindel bearings and seals and single factory rated dampner. I have completely rebuilt the knuckels and everything that attaches to them including new u-joints on the axels. Now before someone mentions me rechecking my work(which i have done several times) I will put out that I started this rebuild to hopefully get rid of this very same issue. I took the truck to an alignment shop and got everything set to the recommended factory specs. Tire size is currently 235/75r15. I originally thought that since the alignment was done maybe it was radial pull so I rotated the tires to see if it changed anything and nothing changed. It doesn't matter how fast i go or slow it pulls no matter what. The only time it doesn't seem to pull as bad is when in 4-wheel drive but it still pulls. The truck has never been wrecked or offroaded hard at all. I have one potential fix in progesss which I will test tomorrow. Up until about an hour ago I still had the auto locking factory hubs (hate them). I knoticed that when turning it seemed as though they were still locked even though I know I drove atleast a mile in reverse to hopefully unlock them. So I just put in warren manual hubs and I will post any changes probably monday because i got duty tomorrow
Anyone have any other suggestions just incase this doesn't fix the issue? Maybe the actual steering box? Thanks in advance...
« Last Edit: February 03, 2013, 07:06:19 pm by frotosride »
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart

Offline Jason S

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1561
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 11:13:52 pm »
Hope the Warn locking hubs work.

 If the locking hubs don't do the trick, the alignment may still be suspect.  Did you jack up the right front to see if maybe there is a brake pad dragging due to a cocked piston in the brake caliper?
1973 GMC K2500, Super Custom, Camper Special, 350, TH350, NP203, 4.10's
1974 Chevrolet K10, Custom Deluxe, 350, SM465, NP203, 3.73's

"1) Peace through strength; 2) Trust but verify; 3) Beware of evil in the modern world"

Offline Glidn2007

  • Newbie
  • Posts: 3
  • Newbie
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 06:07:55 am »
Might have caliper sticking also, will make pull.

Offline pholliday1

  • Junior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 632
  • 1990 V3500 Crew Cab
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 08:06:25 am »
Sounds like your on the right track with the auto hubs, really have never been a fan of those for the reasons you stated they have always been a little "finicky". I suspect your problem is solved.
VETERAN AND LIFETIME NRA MEMBER. WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR?
1991 V3500 CREWCAB SRW 454TBI GMC
1991 v3500 crewcab SRW 454tbi 480le 6" lift
1990 V3500 crewcab Dana 60 FF 14b 5:38 ratio 40 inch 11" lift
1989 v3500 crewcab 454TBI 5" lift

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 08:02:37 pm »
Well unfortunately the manual hubs didn't help...but I'm not taking them back for any reason. I just rotated the tired about a week ago and I checked the brakes then with no dragging issues. I gues the best thing about it is I can't take my attention off the road or the person to my left will be having a bad day. I also like the way the manual hubs look. Can't wait to try them out granted I still have an open diff but that will be on the forgivness plan too.
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 12:08:47 pm »
I got the truck up right now because the ebrake stopped working and it turns out that my c-clip holdong the pushrod for the ebrake came of the brake pad. going to fix that now and I wil take measurements. Not sure what dog tracking is but I wil check to see if the whells turn when I statrt the truck.
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 09:12:31 pm »
So I think that i found part of the problem. I finaly got a chance to measure the front end and the right tire was toed out 1" farther than the left. I measured the right from them from the frame to get 16" driverside and 17" passanger side. I am still going to check to see if tha axels had shifted just to make sure. I also found another issue and it seems like my cotter pins were never put back in which led to the driverside uper ball joint nuckle nut completely loose. Thats all fixed now but I never got a chance to to test drive it afterward. It amazes me at the lack of quality people to repair your vehichle and reminds me of the reason I do everything my self. The alignment was the first time I ever paid anyone to do something on old blue and it will likely be the last.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2013, 10:41:51 am by bd »
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart

Offline farmerchris

  • Newbie
  • Posts: 24
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 09:23:45 pm »
measure from the shackle bolt to axle tube,see if they measure the same from side to side.maybe the tire was hit hard or ran into something and shift the axle tube on the spring,not likely with a center pin ,but with enough impact at sometime, anything is possible.
its never finished

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 09:32:08 pm »
measure from the shackle bolt to axle tube,see if they measure the same from side to side.maybe the tire was hit hard or ran into something and shift the axle tube on the spring,not likely with a center pin ,but with enough impact at sometime, anything is possible.

I should get a chance to do that tomorrow and I'm also going to measure from the frame to each tire to check for lateral movement ontop of thrust. thanks
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart

Offline bigchevyc30

  • Frequent Member
  • **
  • Posts: 456
  • the pig
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 11:26:54 am »
might be that its the brake line going from the frame to the caliper cause my old dually pulled like a demon to the one side so if its not the axles moved might want to try that
1980 c-30 dually R.I.P
1989 R2500 Sub 350/sm465
1984 k10 sub 6.2/700r4

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 04:34:55 pm »
might be that its the brake line going from the frame to the caliper cause my old dually pulled like a demon to the one side so if its not the axles moved might want to try that

I had the truck up yesterday and I didn't think to start it and try to spin them. I haven't driven it yet because on the weekends we normally take the jeep since I have 4 kids.
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart

Offline bigchevyc30

  • Frequent Member
  • **
  • Posts: 456
  • the pig
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 05:30:09 pm »
yeah the problem i was told was that with the age the brake line actually collapses on the inside so its harder for the pressure to be released causeing the brakes to stick on that side
1980 c-30 dually R.I.P
1989 R2500 Sub 350/sm465
1984 k10 sub 6.2/700r4

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
Re: pulling to the right....
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 07:03:33 pm »
yeah the problem i was told was that with the age the brake line actually collapses on the inside so its harder for the pressure to be released causeing the brakes to stick on that side

Very unusual but i've seen crazier stuff on old trucks. I'm going to check that out as soon as I get a chance. Anyone know what my toe should be. I've heard it should be silghtly out but I'm curiouse as to what everyone here runs on their4x4's
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart

Offline VileZambonie

  • Global Moderator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19181
Re: pulling to the right....toe out how much?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 07:58:45 pm »
Your toe angle is 0°

Make sure you have no brake drag and then get an alignment from a reputable shop.
,                           ___ 
                         /  _ _ _\_
              ⌠ŻŻŻŻŻ'   [☼===☼]
              `()_);-;()_)--o--)_)

74 GMC, 75 K5, 84 GMC, 85 K20, 86 k20, 79 K10

Offline frotosride

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1428
    • WFO CONCEPTS
Re: pulling to the right....toe out how much?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 08:28:50 pm »
Your toe angle is 0°

 then get an alignment from a reputable shop.

I thought the last one was reputable but I guess I was wrong.
"Beat it like a red-headed ford"
1987 v10 Silverado(LQ4), 87 R10,83 K20, 83 cucv 6.2 Detroit
2006 Boulevard M109R 109 cid,2019 M109R BOSS
2009 Jeep XK, (future LS Swap)
GSXR 750 engine awaiting go kart